Do you believe in Jesus/God?

Believe in Jesus/God

  • Yes

    Votes: 57 46.7%

  • No

    Votes: 49 40.2%

  • Don't know

    Votes: 16 13.1%
  • Total voters
    122
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I Laugh at your Misfortune! said:
But...the essay claims that the Koran says that the sky has seven layers. It say that there are seven heavens.

heaven =/= layer

Also, regarding your point about policemen - yes crime would increase, but I don't believe chaos would rule. In my opinion, people are essentialy good and generally do the right thing without needing to be bribed by the promise of eternal life.

Finally, I don't think its a good idea to say 'You might as well believe in God because that way you'll be safe when you die'. That makes your belief seem a little...cheap.
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Excuse me? I believe in God because I want to be comforted when I die. I want to have reason on Earth. What do you think your purpose on Earth is? To live? Like one of those stray cats in the back alleys? They live life very well. So do other animals. Do you think it is really sheer coincidence that we were put on Earth s intelligent beings? We are the only creatures on Earth to build structures, to use speech, to live together in organised societies, and to have a useful, thinking brain. Do you think it is just sheer coincidence?

I believe in God and science. I follow my religion and I study the world around me. My knowledge of religion can be backed up by science. I believe science and religion are not opposites. Anyone can be a scientist and follow a religion. So why do you treat science as a weapon against religion? They could easily work together to explain the world around us.

Now, about your quote from the Qur'an. Are you prattling on about it because it was the only one you could find a problem with? There is no error in the Qur'an. Everything in the Qur'an is helpful to humans, and the world would be a lot better if everyone followed its laws. At least the part about morals, anyway.

Which brings me to the topic of the policemen. Policemen can't stop you from commiting pre-marital or extra-marital affairs, can they? It's all a moral decision whether someone wants to cheat on their virginity or their partner. Is that controlled by the police in the West? Without police, there would be chaos. Chaos would rule, except for those who have a belief that someone is watching them. I'm not being bribed. I'm a Muslim because I know that I'm being watched by something higher and more powerful than me. And I think everyone should acknowledge the fact that they are being watched too. Maybe it would take the level of ego down a flight.
 
Ugh.

I tried people, I really did, but 8 pages were just TL;DR.

Now, as for my opinion? Yes, I believe. I feel it foolish not to believe in something. Creationism, Reincarnation, polytheistic, monotheistc, something. Just because you can't prove it, doesn't mean it isn't so. Science is only something that humans made for themselves to try & make sense of the world. Face it. Personally, unless it can be used, built upon, & improved, I don't care for that 'science'. How can I be sure that I, as a feeble minded human, can have all the answers? We know elements as copper & zinc because we gave it that name. How can we be sure it isn't really zaeperwongirz & flooferdoodles? Cause there aren't any records? Bah.

That said, I am interested in the advancements of science thus far. I can respect those beliefs because I really, really like the whole "if I can't touch it, it isn't real" thought pattern. That is a solid set of morals, that leads to a strong, if not unflexible, thought process.


NoBel_ToKYo ™ said:
It's true that it seems to be one big new scientific theorem after another, but i do not like to treat science or religion as two creeds, where one dominates the other (jasonresno, you already know i'm agnostic XD) To me, science and religion are simply the two sides of the scale; The balance of thinking realistically, and living in a world where we look deeper into touch, taste, and why things are, while still maintaining some sort of faith, for before and after we die. Why should science and religion overrule one another? Just my point of view, which may seem garbled (i had a hard time trying to put it into words XD)
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God, I agree. As they said in South Park, "Couldn't it be the answer to how religion started & not if religion started"?

Sorry for the stupid, preachy, TL;DR post, but you will read it, & you will like it.
 
I believe in Jesus Christ as Our lord and savior.

However I dont knock anyone's beliefs
 
Erm...what happened to the debate? Or have I proven myself? Does God exist? If we hav confirmed that he does, then we can move on to another topic. In another thread, of course.
 
Lord GaGa said:
Erm...what happened to the debate? Or have I proven myself? Does God exist? If we hav confirmed that he does, then we can move on to another topic. In another thread, of course.
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You havn't proved anything. There's no way to prove that God is real. Neither is there any way to prove the BBT is correct.
 
I was baptised as a catholic, originally but I consider myself as being agnostic. I really can't say god/jesus doesn't exist. I see him differently than what most people would. It's hard to explain because I really don't want to create any tension.

I do believe in angels and stuff. My grandfather is my guardian angel and I can really say that I believe in that sort of thing.

I also believe in having miracles because they have definitly happened to me before. So I know there is a god out there but I won't say I believe him in like other people to but...yeah. D:

Also, I have to say that how is it possible that we were created by adam and eve? That's only saying that everyone is an ancestor of Adam and Eve and that's impossible because that wouldnt make much sense, now would it? That's the only proof I can say to back up claims saying that god created adam and eve and then populated the earth.

With the claims for Adam and Eve, we would end up being each other's brother and sister. Does that really make sense at all?

The sceintific methods make better sense because whether we evolved from fish, monkeys or some other creature, we evolved from something that populated the world, mated as man and woman and then soon enough here we are.
 
Misayu said:
I was baptised as a catholic, originally but I consider myself as being agnostic. I really can't say god/jesus doesn't exist. I see him differently than what most people would. It's hard to explain because I really don't want to create any tension.

I do believe in angels and stuff. My grandfather is my guardian angel and I can really say that I believe in that sort of thing.

I also believe in having miracles because they have definitly happened to me before. So I know there is a god out there but I won't say I believe him in like other people to but...yeah. D:

Also, I have to say that how is it possible that we were created by adam and eve? That's only saying that everyone is an ancestor of Adam and Eve and that's impossible because that wouldnt make much sense, now would it? That's the only proof I can say to back up claims saying that god created adam and eve and then populated the earth.

With the claims for Adam and Eve, we would end up being each other's brother and sister. Does that really make sense at all?

The sceintific methods make better sense because whether we evolved from fish, monkeys or some other creature, we evolved from something that populated the world, mated as man and woman and then soon enough here we are.
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It makes more sense were are descendants of fish than of Gods people? :insert headscratching smiley:
 
Pogosheep00 said:
You havn't proved anything. There's no way to prove that God is real. Neither is there any way to prove the BBT is correct.
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I don't think anyone should be trying to prove anything, everyone knows deep in their heart that the BBT is more likely then a God.
Vendak said:
How would Adam and Eve survive amongst dinosaurs? We have proof of dinosaurs so you can't say they don't exist.
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Hah! read the bible, the dinosaurs were dead when Adam and Eve were alive:D.

And like I said in another thread, Adam and Eve's grandchildren would have been retarded because the gens would be to similar.
 
Angela said:
Hah! read the bible, the dinosaurs were dead when Adam and Eve were alive
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I thought god created the earth then put Adam and Eve on it? So now he put dinosaurs on Earth on the 5th day and then killed them all on the 6th because he messed up and replaced them with humans?
 
Vendak said:
How would Adam and Eve survive amongst dinosaurs? We have proof of dinosaurs so you can't say they don't exist.
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Well, biblically, if God intended for Adam and Eve to be killed by dinosaurs--they would have. He clearly didn't , so they weren't "eaten by dinosaurs".
 
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jasonresno said:
Well, biblically, if God intended for Adam and Eve to be killed by dinosaurs--they would have. He clearly didn't , so they weren't "eaten by dinosaurs".
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Lol @ edit =P

So Adam & Eve lived alongside Dinosaurs? Then what killed the Dinosaurs out and left Humans still alive? I just find it hard to believe that Dinosaurs and Humans were living alongside each other.
 
Vendak said:
Lol @ edit =P

So Adam & Eve lived alongside Dinosaurs? Then what killed the Dinosaurs out and left Humans still alive? I just find it hard to believe that Dinosaurs and Humans were living alongside each other.
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You asked me to be more clear?
I'm not allowed to double post.
An edit would be in order.

Right?
 
The lol was directed at the "eaten by dinosaurs" part, I'm not loling at you making an edit.
 
I.. don't really know if I believe in God. My family doesn't, I don't go to church, or anything like that. I guess I do a little bit.
 
I am officially withdrawing from this argument/debate.

It's going to ultimately come down to you and you're on thoughts and ideas. That's all there is to it. No internet debate squad is going to get anyone to change their minds.
 
It dosn't really have a definitive explanation about the Dinosaurs; just like science dosn't have any explanation on what caused the Big Bang; both sides have their flaws but one thing about science is that it depends on technology which advances as time progresses. Whereas religion on the other hand is more dependant on history so it actually becomes harder to prove as time goes on; which is why I really can't see religion being able to prove anything more than it already has in the future.
 
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