Do you believe in Jesus/God?

Believe in Jesus/God

  • Yes

    Votes: 57 46.7%

  • No

    Votes: 49 40.2%

  • Don't know

    Votes: 16 13.1%
  • Total voters
    122
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Just 'happened', didn't it? Well, why can't you say the same thing about God? He probably just 'happened' as well. Maybe he was just another natural process as well. If you can say the same for everything else, why can't you say the same about God? No, everything nowadays, all the theories, have to be new. Once someone brings up God, people say 'No! That's what they thought millennia ago! We're living in the 21st century here! God is old news!'

When people say the universe 'just happened', they don't bother to understand what created it. How could a natural process occur from nothing? We've been saying that God can create things from nothing for years, and when we bring it up now against new theories, they say that its impossible. Tell me how the universe was created, then, if we leave out God.

Universe <--- Big Bang <--- ?

We still have that question mark. But you purposely omit that, branding the Big Bang as a natural occurrence. But God? No! He can't be a natural occurrence, can he? I think not.
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I believe in God, but seriously how could a 'god' be created out of nothing? There is always going to be a natural process to something. I think I know what the ? means now.

? = Natural Process

Please don't reply to this post saying "and how could there be a natural process". Your just lying to yourself and know that some people in this world are actually right and your wrong.
 
only problem w/ the jesus thing is that it defies the laws of science; you cannot come back from the dead
 
-[JD]- said:
I believe in God, but seriously how could a 'god' be created out of nothing? There is always going to be a natural process to something. I think I know what the ? means now.

? = Natural Process

Please don't reply to this post saying "and how could there be a natural process". Your just lying to yourself and know that some people in this world are actually right and your wrong.
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Seriously, though, how could there be a natural process? (And how could I be lying to myself?) Before the universe, there was nothing. No nature, no matter, just that infinitely small and infinitely dense bubble that exploded into the nothingness to create the universe. This was explained in the Qur'an in this verse:

[FONT=Geneva, Arial, Sans-serif]"Do not the Unbelievers see that the heavens and the earth were joined together (as one unit of creation), before We clove them asunder, and We made from water every living thing. Will they not then believe?"
(The Qur'an, 21:30)[/FONT]
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The reference to the heavens and earth being joined together must refer to the small bubble of matter that exploded to form the universe. And, according to the Qur'an, Allah (referred to here as 'we') caused this to happen. What is more stunning is the fact that the Qur'an was revealed over 1400 years ago. There are many more scientific miracles in the Qur'an, and all you have to do is google 'scientific miracles of the quran' to find them. Remember to keep a translated copy of the Qur'an with you while doing these searches to confirm the verses that you see.

AuraAshley said:
only problem w/ the jesus thing is that it defies the laws of science; you cannot come back from the dead
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JESUS DIDN'T DIE!!! That was a lie created by the conference held over 320 years after Jesus to form the Christian Church and to control the people. Jesus was actually replaced by another man who was tracked down and killed in place of him, while Jesus was raised up to Paradise. We are waiting for him to come down again. Just you wait...

Apparently, he's going to break the cross and kill the swine in order to abolish the symbols of false Christianity. Then he's going to kill the False Messaiah, the last of the 30 liars that have existed throughout history. Sounds crazy? Let me explain...

According to the Prophet Muhammad, there will be 30 liars after his death. Each of them will claim to be a messenger of God, but they are lying, as the Qur'an clearly states in this verse that:
[SIZE=-1]Muhammad is not the father of any male among you, but he is the messenger of God and the seal of the prophets; and God is aware of all things (33:40).[/SIZE]
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So, these 30 liars will say that they are messengers of God, and they will try to convince people to believe them. The last one will be the False Messiah. He will claim to be a messenger sent from God, and he will perform miracles like bringing people back from the dead and curing people from disease. These miracles are only a one-time thing, and when a brave believer faces the False Messaiah and asks him to do the miracles again, they won't work. At this point, Jesus is sent back down to Earth, and there's this big war that ends up in the death of the False Messaiah and Jesus being the king of the earth for 40 years.

You can get this in more detail by googling '10 major signs of the last day'.

Yeah, that's what I have to say.
 
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Seriously, though, how could there be a natural process? (And how could I be lying to myself?) Before the universe, there was nothing. No nature, no matter, just that infinitely small and infinitely dense bubble that exploded into the nothingness to create the universe.
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Exactly, Gaga. It was a small, extremely strong 'bubble' the size of a U.S. Quarter. It was natural to eventually explode with enough power to bring down the universe itself. It's as natural as sex, breathing, eating, moving, and thinking - Nothing more.

I actually think this even is an arguement anymore. Nature is what created everything and itself.
 
Look let me re-explain. I don't believe in the causation argument. I think that the chain does end with the big bang. The problem is that people use the causation argument to add God or Allah to the chain of causes, then say that he does not have a cause. This is contradiction.
 
Religion has had the past 1000 odd years to prove itself; yet people are still questioning religion and there is still no solid proof. Science has come along and for the past 50 years has come up with plenty of evidence to support its claims; I'm sure in another 50 years we will know more about the big bang and the claims of religion will be a thing of the past.
 
Lord GaGa, when I say this remember that this is a debate. I have nothing against you in any way.

But if I'm honest, you are being very narrow minded about all this. When I bring forth my opinions, as you know I believe the Big Bang theory is correct. But I am at least considering the possibility of a higher being, but as I've said, I find it completely impossible.

You just need to broaden your horzions a little. I don't know, maybe it's the way you've been brought up to believe things. I myself was brought up through the teachings of both science and religion, but through my own research and what I've learned, I believe science is correct. Thus, the Big Bang (if it happened) was a natural process. And natural meaning that it happened by itself with no outside influences, which is the definition of natural.
 
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Lord GaGa, when I say this remember that this is a debate. I have nothing against you in any way.

But if I'm honest, you are being very narrow minded about all this. When I bring forth my opinions, as you know I believe the Big Bang theory is correct. But I am at least considering the possibility of a higher being, but as I've said, I find it completely impossible.

You just need to broaden your horzions a little. I don't know, maybe it's the way you've been brought up to believe things. I myself was brought up through the teachings of both science and religion, but through my own research and what I've learned, I believe science is correct. Thus, the Big Bang (if it happened) was a natural process. And natural meaning that it happened by itself with no outside influences, which is the definition of natural.
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QFT - Quoted for truth

I believe in the big bang theory as well but I'm open to possibilities of a higher being/God.
 
Horizon said:
Lord GaGa, when I say this remember that this is a debate. I have nothing against you in any way.

But if I'm honest, you are being very narrow minded about all this. When I bring forth my opinions, as you know I believe the Big Bang theory is correct. But I am at least considering the possibility of a higher being, but as I've said, I find it completely impossible.

You just need to broaden your horizons a little. I don't know, maybe it's the way you've been brought up to believe things. I myself was brought up through the teachings of both science and religion, but through my own research and what I've learned, I believe science is correct. Thus, the Big Bang (if it happened) was a natural process. And natural meaning that it happened by itself with no outside influences, which is the definition of natural.
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I don't compromise when it comes to religion. My parents just told me I was a Muslim, and that was it. It was my choice to explore my religion and figure out its meanings. I had free rein over my internet trawls to discover what I wanted.

Now, why do people think that religion and science cannot be together? Did I say I didn' believe that the Big Bang occurred? I was just against the fact that it could've been just some natural process or that it could've just 'happened'. I believe that the universe was created by a higher intelligence that programmed and plotted the creation of the vast complexities of the universe. I call it Allah, other people have different names for it.

I just can't rest with the fact that the entire process of the creation of the universe was all a coincidence. A massive coincidence, was it? Was I put on this Earth because of chance? Does my life even have a meaning? When you deny the existence of God, you are just throwing away the meaning of life. We are the only intelligent beings on Earth, if not the entire universe, and we were put here by chance? I prefer to take comfort in believing that there is a reason for my existence, and that there is an afterlife waiting for me. I just want to know that I will be rewarded for my good deeds. It's really scary to think that you will die and turn to dust and never taste life again. It's just a horrible thought.

Whether the existence of God is true or not, it's helpful to know that there is someone watching you every step of the way, and that you will be rewarded or punished for whatever you do. Now most people say that they can do good things for themselves, and that they don't need to please a God to do things. But then that is where morals start to disappear. People start to justify their crimes and say that what they're doing is okay and normal. But I don't want to point out any people, so I'll just stop there.

Anyway, just remember that.
 
Lord GaGa said:
I prefer to take comfort in believing that there is a reason for my existence, and that there is an afterlife waiting for me. I just want to know that I will be rewarded for my good deeds. It's really scary to think that you will die and turn to dust and never taste life again. It's just a horrible thought.
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Ok, I'm not trying to be mean, but this has to be said. You seem to be using God and religion as a security blanket. Just because you don't like the idea that we're alone in the universe, it doesn't make it wrong. Fear of death does not equate to life after death. Have you considered that if, hypothetically speaking, a person wrote the Bible or Koran, knowing it was a lie and deliberately added sections about living after death because they realised that people would want to believe it?

Religious texts always seem to offer that feeling of immortality and I find it a little coincidental that they all banish humanity's greatest fear - death.
 
nope. If god existed, then so many innocent people wouldnt be killed by terrorists and as casualties where the US and etc. have tried to get high-profile targets >:
 
The Post Count said:
nope. If god existed, then so many innocent people wouldnt be killed by terrorists and as casualties where the US and etc. have tried to get high-profile targets >:
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That's an interesting and tbh a pretty tactless way of putting it.
 
Zentek said:
Haha, the big bang theory. It was supposed to happen again just a few months ago, but then... nothing.
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Wow. Care elaborating on that? Sounds really interesting...


By the way, I'm what people call agnostic. As bad as it may sound, I really don't care whether side is right or not, nor where does it all come from. I just care about the now and the little I can do to make it better.
 
Scientists don't know what caused the Big Bang
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But after all how could any of us be aware of what scientists know or don't know? It's even safe enough to assume we're all making statements in behalf of science based on what the media shows us? Such as assuming the big bang was supposed to have repeated months ago?
 
I Laugh at your Misfortune! said:
Universe <-----is caused by----the big bang <----is caused by---- God <----is caused by--- ?

What is the question mark? you can't say that the Big Bang needs a cause and then say that God doesn't need a cause - that's contradiction. The only other plausible answer is that we have an infinite chain of Gods, all creating each other. But that's just...silly...isn't it?
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I couldn't have said that any better. That is one of the main reasons religion confuses me. And I wanna say something else, but....I think we might be at the risk of a war here.

Lord GaGa said:
JESUS DIDN'T DIE!!! That was a lie created by the conference held over 320 years after Jesus to form the Christian Church and to control the people. Jesus was actually replaced by another man who was tracked down and killed in place of him, while Jesus was raised up to Paradise. We are waiting for him to come down again. Just you wait...
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Wow, that makes much more sense than what I've been taught: ressurection. [sp?]
 
I believe in God. Mainly because I was born and raised as a Catholic and go to a Catholic school.

Well, sometimes I wonder if God doesn't exist, or I have those thoughts about why I'm here and how the universe was made.

I seem to always have those thoughts on the toilet or on a long car drive. :P
 
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