Do you believe in Jesus/God?

[icomeanon6]

The fundamental problem with our current understanding of the Universe is this:

According to the Law of Conservation of Mass, nothing should exist. If matter cannot be created or destroyed, why is it here? Don't even try saying "the big bang," because matter cannot (I repeat, can. not.) spontaneously exist or change form on its own. Current science does not offer any reason as to why matter exists, in fact, you could go far to say that science implies that nothing exists. All it can say about matter is that it was not ever created and will not ever be destroyed, that it simply is.

Just like God.

According to a simple law that everyone learns in middle school, the existence of God is just as unexplained as the existence of anything.

 

[.Socks]

The fundamental problem with our current understanding of the Universe is this:

According to the Law of Conservation of Mass, nothing should exist. If matter cannot be created or destroyed, why is it here? Don't even try saying "the big bang," because matter cannot (I repeat, can. not.) spontaneously exist or change form on its own. Current science does not offer any reason as to why matter exists, in fact, you could go far to say that science implies that nothing exists. All it can say about matter is that it was not ever created and will not ever be destroyed, that it simply is.

Just like God.

According to a simple law that everyone learns in middle school, the existence of God is just as unexplained as the existence of anything.

God cannot be related through scientific knowledge, because science does not support the idea of the supernatural.

The Big Bang simply states that matter grew over time, therefore being supported by the Law of Mass.

 

[icomeanon6]

God cannot be related through scientific knowledge, because science does not support the idea of the supernatural.

The Big Bang simply states that matter grew over time, therefore being supported by the Law of Mass.

You're dodging around the issue. How do you explain the existence of matter?

 

[.Socks]

You're dodging around the issue. How do you explain the existence of matter?

Energy in the form of light, carried in discrete packets called photons. When photons have an ideal amount of energy, they can randomly disintegrate into a particle and an antiparticle. As science has it, the photon is just one of a class of particles, called the bosons, that decay in this manner. Many of the bosons around just after the Big Bang were so full of energy that they could decay into much more massive particles such as protons. The mass in the universe came from such decays.

 

[Black Omega Zero]

The fundamental problem with our current understanding of the Universe is this:

According to the Law of Conservation of Mass, nothing should exist. If matter cannot be created or destroyed, why is it here? Don't even try saying "the big bang," because matter cannot (I repeat, can. not.) spontaneously exist or change form on its own. Current science does not offer any reason as to why matter exists, in fact, you could go far to say that science implies that nothing exists. All it can say about matter is that it was not ever created and will not ever be destroyed, that it simply is.

Just like God.

According to a simple law that everyone learns in middle school, the existence of God is just as unexplained as the existence of anything.

But "God" is also supposed a creator, and never could have created anything... that's where you're wrong... Massenergy is not like "God"

If it were, me, or you, or anyone here would be "God", or a part of it...

That's why you're wrong!

 

[Zet]

I do not believe in God. I was brought up in such a way that Science is the correct way, and holds all the answers.

No offence to anybody religious, but it is physically impossible for God to exist. The world and the Universe were created by the Big Bang and life came to Earth on meteorites and comets; scientific evidence confirms this. I also don't like the way the Bible tells lies; the Adam and Eve story cannot possibly be true; they had two sons and one of them killed the other as far as I know. How did the human race expand? We evolved from primates; again, scientific evidence confirms this.

I have nothing against people who do believe. You are all entitled to believe in what you want to and I completely respect that. It's nice that people believe and all... but it's time people started to wake up and see the truth. I've always lived by the fact that if you want to believe in something, believe in yourself.

I refuse to believe in something when science proves it to be so farcical.

apparently God created other humans though. And yes I do believe in God and Jesus, though it doesn't look like I am a believer before this post does it?

 

[icomeanon6]

Energy in the form of light, carried in discrete packets called photons. When photons have an ideal amount of energy, they can randomly disintegrate into a particle and an antiparticle. As science has it, the photon is just one of a class of particles, called the bosons, that decay in this manner. Many of the bosons around just after the Big Bang were so full of energy that they could decay into much more massive particles such as protons. The mass in the universe came from such decays.

Again, you're missing the point because energy cannot exist spontaneously either. You're just trying to disguise the flaw in your logic with a bunch of sophisticated terminology. How do you explain the existence of light and energy?

 

[.Socks]

Again, you're missing the point because energy cannot exist spontaneously either. You're just trying to disguise the flaw in your logic with a bunch of sophisticated terminology. How do you explain the existence of light and energy?

If you're going by rest mass, then light has no mass. Therefore clarifying my previous statement.

 

[Black Omega Zero]

icomeanon6, and all "believers" begin to think beyond what religion tells you, question everything you see or your parents tell you, and find the correct explanations

Actually, supposing horses believe in a "God", their "God" would be a horse, and humans say "God" made them exactly alike to his image, so... why is everyone different? This is a paradox, meaning "God" can't exist...

 

[s0nido]

Lord GaGa, who are you talking to? Me, or Vega, or both?

I was talking to Vega. And I agree with him.

 

[icomeanon6]

If you're going by rest mass, then light has no mass. Therefore clarifying my previous statement.

How does that answer my question? I asked how you explain the existence of energy, and you respond by saying that it doesn't have mass. Again, why does energy exist?

Now to respond to someone else.

Actually, supposing horses believe in a "God", their "God" would be a horse, and humans say "God" made them exactly alike to his image, so... why is everyone different? This is a paradox, meaning "God" can't exist...

That is the most flawed logic I've read in months. Is your reasoning honestly that God can't exist because horses might think that he's different from how we picture him? Think about that for a minute, you should find that it doesn't make any bit of sense.

 

[Black Omega Zero]

My point is not that, my point is that if horses and humans believed in a "God", it means it wouldn't be the same, it's only made up by the mind, to explain what they can't!

Second, a "God" is used by you and many others to explain something you can't, which is your inability to see beyond, and a thing I can't change...

Also, you believe there's only "ONE GOD", and horses would say the same about their "God", meaning there would be 2 different "gods", which you think it's only one, making you incorrect again!

Another thing, if "God" created us all in his image (to clarify my point), then, why are we different? Answer that correctly! (Thing no one will answer, meaning it's a paradox, so again, "God" doesn't exist!

 

[icomeanon6]

Another thing, if "God" created us all in his image (to clarify my point), then, why are we different? Answer that correctly! (Thing no one will answer, meaning it's a paradox, so again, "God" doesn't exist!

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You've got to be joking. You obviously have a very loose grasp on logical reasoning.

Here is how your argument works, if you meant what you said:

-Christianity is of the opinion that God created us all in his image.
-People are different.
-Therefore, not everyone looks like God.
-Therefore, there is no God because the Christians say that everyone looks like God.

That's completely stupid!

For starters, the existence of God does not depend on Christians being exactly right. Another thing, when Christians say that we are all made in the likeness of God, what makes you think that they are referring to physical appearance? The statement could easily mean that all humans are similar in the respect that they, like God, are sentient. That's beside the point, though. The point is that even if the Christians are not completely correct in their idea of God, it does not mean that God doesn't exist.

Your argument reminded me of another logical fallacy, see if you recognize it.

-Cats have four legs.
-My dog has four legs.
-Therefore, my dog is a cat.

Get it? Your entire reasoning is based on uncorrelated points. I'll say it again: The accuracy of the Christian viewpoint has nothing to do with whether or not God exists.

 

[Black Omega Zero]

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You've got to be joking. You obviously have a very loose grasp on logical reasoning.

Here is how your argument works, if you meant what you said:

-Christianity is of the opinion that God created us all in his image.
-People are different.
-Therefore, not everyone looks like God.
-Therefore, there is no God because the Christians say that everyone looks like God.

That's completely stupid!

For starters, the existence of God does not depend on Christians being exactly right. Another thing, when Christians say that we are all made in the likeness of God, what makes you think that they are referring to physical appearance? The statement could easily mean that all humans are similar in the respect that they, like God, are sentient. That's beside the point, though. The point is that even if the Christians are not completely correct in their idea of God, it does not mean that God doesn't exist.

Your argument reminded me of another logical fallacy, see if you recognize it.

-Cats have four legs.
-My dog has four legs.
-Therefore, my dog is a cat.

Get it? Your entire reasoning is based on uncorrelated points. I'll say it again: The accuracy of the Christian viewpoint has nothing to do with whether or not God exists.

But you just don't understand at all... such thing doesn't exist, you're not proving its existance, but I'll prove you the opposite... and something else: every living being is required to believe in something... so you choose to believe in that, without proving it, because you're afraid of what you don't understand... the way you replied to all what I said... you're in the defensive... you don't understand the meaning of "go beyond of what someone tells you", such as your ideology... all I did was to make sure who am I dealing with... and you just proved to me that some minds can't go beyond a "faith", meaning at the same time that a "God" is something you use to put a sense to your life... my best reply to that would be telling you that life has no meaning at all, we're just a product of casualities, if this isn't true, there would be advance life in another planets in the solar system, which isn't true, therefore, your "God" doesn't exist... and as I said before, massenergy was never created or destroyed, and your "God" was supposed to create everything, which is, again, a paradox... and if science isn't true, then evolution isn't true, and then, we would have never evolved, which never happened that way... it's a contradiction... again I tell you... "God" can't exist!

In my case, I don't believe, I demonstrate what I question to know the truth, in contrast with you, just saying someone else said...

 

[evilishan]

I believe in God, but i don't followed organized religion, i don't identify as being a (Christian/Jew/Muslim/Buddist)

 

[doesn't matter]

This thread has no room for a debate, otherwise it'll turn into a mess. Please, if someone posts a reason for their belief, resist the urge to respond. I know this section is supposed to be for discussion, but this thread is nothing more than an over-glorified poll.

In other words, stop your discussion now.

 

[Rogue planet]

I don't believe in any religion or in God; Science and History has proved religion wrong countless times. My family aren't religous either so I never had religion forced upon me.

 

[Kazukii]

This thread has no room for a debate, otherwise it'll turn into a mess. Please, if someone posts a reason for their belief, resist the urge to respond. I know this section is supposed to be for discussion, but this thread is nothing more than an over-glorified poll.

In other words, stop your discussion now.

I think as long as everyones open to other peoples feelings then theres no problem with it. Being unfair and rude about other peoples belief shouldn't be tolerated.

 

[I Laugh at your Misfortune!]

The Bible is the only ancient holy book that is completely historically accurate (except for the books that are written in a more metaphorical way) as well as having every book agree with one another, despite being a collaboration of many different author's works.

Everything has to happen for a reason and everyone has to have a purpose... at least that is what I believe.

Please, tell me that's a joke, right? Have you considered that maybe the bible agrees with itself because it was edited and bits were taken out (such as the Dead Sea Scrolls)? That's assuming that the bible doesn't contradict itself of course. Old testament God is vengeful and likes bringing down wrath. New testament God is merciful and likes forgiveness. That's a fairly large contradiction. Also, God outlaws murdering/killing, right? Ten commandmets stuff. However, as moses is coming down from mount Sinai (sp?) he sees people worshipping a calf statue and God orders them to be stoned. This is mere moments after he forbids killing. Its a bit of a "Do as I say, not as I do" kinda situation.

Wait, everything has to happen for a reason? May I ask how you know this? Is there some religious reason for me to eat food? Last time I checked, I eat when I'm hungry, not when God's plan says I should.

 

[.Socks]

How does that answer my question? I asked how you explain the existence of energy, and you respond by saying that it doesn't have mass. Again, why does energy exist?

Now to respond to someone else.



That is the most flawed logic I've read in months. Is your reasoning honestly that God can't exist because horses might think that he's different from how we picture him? Think about that for a minute, you should find that it doesn't make any bit of sense.

I'm not responding to that, I'm just disproving your previous misconception on the Law of Mass. Nothing more. I don't see why that matters, it has no mass. I don't know why it exists, I can't recall; and I'm far too lazy to Google it, quite honestly.

I'm not out to prove you wrong, I just wanted to correct you on that.

I'll stop now, though. D: