Do you think piracy should be legal?

Do you think piracy should be illigal

  • yes it should be allowed

    Votes: 12 41.4%

  • no it shouln't be allowed

    Votes: 17 58.6%
  • Total voters
    29
That question is just plain pointless. :\
It's obvious that piracy shouldn't be allowed.
And whoever voted that it should be allowed, probably didn't even think for a second or 2.
How would u like it if u were making a hack, and, far away of the east most part of the Earth, someone is selling it for like 30 dollars right now, and ur hack isn't even finished.
Seriously people.
Whoever the 6 people who voted for yes, u guys just don't think. :\
 
Assuming the majority of us have done as little as to burn a music CD, we've broken the law already, so it passes as hypocrisy when I see how many people are so passionately against piracy in this topic alone.

btw, I've just burned three music discs half an hour ago. Thought you'd like to know. :/

(It'd surprise me, but of course there's still the chance none of you have broken that law. I congratulate you, really. Really.)
 
Kura said:
:/ Isn't piracy already illegal?
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Why is there a discussion about it?
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Well, if enough people agree that it shouldn't be illegal, we can all start an online petition and get people to sign it so that we can take it to the high courts to demand the law to be changed so that we are legally allowed to steal. It's a fool proof plan that just can not fail. In fact, I'm off to make the petition right now.

Well, yeah, of course it should be illegal. It won't stop me from downloading pirated media though. I'm doing it right now, in fact. Yay for torrents.
 
I doubt that an online petition is going to override the fact that it's not okay to have a business' content stolen and distributed for free.

And obviously people would want to legalize it, because people want free stuff.

But it's illegal right now, and it will remain illegal.
So I don't understand the reason for this discussion.
 
I guess the obvious answer to this is yes, but it's not gonna stop people (ha, like me) from downloading music. I'd be a hypocrite to start going off about how no one should do it (although no one should; but loads of people do anyway), however I'd be lying if I said it shouldn't be illegal.

Oh, hey, my torrent's finished downloading~
 
Kura said:
I doubt that an online petition is going to override the fact that it's not okay to have a business' content stolen and distributed for free.

And obviously people would want to legalize it, because people want free stuff.

But it's illegal right now, and it will remain illegal.
So I don't understand the reason for this discussion.
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That was sarcasm, mon cherie.

It is a pretty dead topic for debating, I agree. But, meh, Other Chat needs all the activity it can get nowadays.
 
Kura said:
But it's illegal right now, and it will remain illegal.
So I don't understand the reason for this discussion.
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I'd believe some of us are 'bright' enough to assume this is not a dead topic but just a topic that didn't bring its base question well. I'd say the main question should have been Do You think piracy should be legal?

That way we can discern it properly, not just discard it 'cause we fancy getting technical.


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Careful With That Axe said:
I'd believe some of us are 'bright' enough to assume this is not a dead topic but just a topic that didn't bring its base question well. I'd say the main question should have been Do You think piracy should be legal?

That way we can discern it properly, not just discard it 'cause we fancy getting technical.


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That's true..

..but if anyone can come up with a truly valid reason why it shouldn't be legal, I'd seriously love to hear it.

Because I do not see how, in any way, it should be legalized..

Edit: And don't call me stupid. I don't appreciate it.
Seriously.. you had no right to say that :/
 
Careful With That Axe said:
I'd believe some of us are 'bright' enough to assume this is not a dead topic but just a topic that didn't bring its base question well. I'd say the main question should have been Do You think piracy should be legal?

That way we can discern it properly, not just discard it 'cause we fancy getting technical.


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I don't see your point, really.

Piracy is theft. Yeah, I wouldn't put it on anywhere near the same level as burglary or mugging or whatever, as no-one is directly hurt as a consequence, but it is still taking something you should be paying for. So what possible reasoning could be provided for it to be legal?

EDIT: Hm, great minds think alike, Kura.
 
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Exactly! Now, I'm personally against piracy, but that's where it gets interesting, where people in favour express their argument and we start debating over its lack of morality or moderate acceptance.

If we were to follow your point, topics like these would never have suceeded:

Do you swear/Think it's fine?
Finders Keepers? ‎
Have you ever... (copied in an exam?)
Profanity ‎

All of those topics debated some kind of flawed moral code we as individuals might acquire, use and deny or support.
Edit: And don't call me stupid. I don't appreciate it.
Seriously.. you had no right to say that :/ __________________
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Who called you stupid? I didn't even assume that. Honestly, with all respect, you have no right to make such accusations o.ó

I actually called you bright, and I assumed you are, and still do; no sarcasm here.
 
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(It'd surprise me, but of course there's still the chance none of you have broken that law. I congratulate you, really. Really.)
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Well thank you. I've never pirated anything, nor given illegal copies of anything to anyone. I do burn music cd's, but only for my use.

As for the question, I think piracy should be illegal and dealt with more effectively. I do lots of artistic stuff: I write, draw, paint, and even mix some music. If I learned that someone else was selling what I had worked hard to produce without my permission, that would piss me off.

People that steal something don't understand the work that goes into it, and how dishonorable it is to simply take. They could care less about the dedication involved...they just want to hear their music or see their painting or read their book for free. That's incredibly self-centered, and it makes me want to puke. I don't think that kind of screw-you-I'll-do-what-I-want attitude should be tolerated in the least.
 
Thing is that it's only legal for us to burn CDs that contain only our own archives or music CDs we paid for. Most of pirate music is obtained through p2p filesharing programs that make 'piracy' roughly the same as burning your CDs legally and giving them as gifts to your friends, now does that look as illegal? That's why regulation on the matter of piracy is so murky, IMO.

When people start making profit out of it, that's a different and not legal story.
 
Well now that I'm here, I may as well take advantage and express my opinion. Piracy is so wrong, but in detail...

I Believe it is RIGHT to:

  • Conserve clones or downloads for no profit
  • Record movies, in theaters or tv, as long as there is no profit
  • Report ALL pirated movie retailers to police if profit is being made (if this is done already, consider the fact I'm in Mexico right now)
  • Make profits from legally retailed movies or CDs.
I Believe it is WRONG to:

  • Make profits from any work with unowned official copyright in any form, view or sale.
  • Make profits from any download, through view/use or copy in any form, when obtained unpriced, officially or not.
  • Even just LOOK at those pirated movies, so ugly and often advertise for more profit.
Where I am right now, it is a goldmine of pirated movies. And I am able to smell lawsuits miles away since Warner Bros. Mexico even put a Piracy warning at the Beginning of The Dark Knight. It'd be pretty ironic if those movies included the warning.

Piracy, I beleive is illegal ONLY when profit is made. So the songs I download for my shuffle aren't illegal because I never charged a peso for people to listen to them. So Piracy is wrong in profit.

And if it looks like I wrote a thesis, Go buy The Dark Knight from the flea market and don't come back

Edit: CwtAP beat me an somewhat explained my opinion Profit: bad. Go to PR and copy TDK if you still don{t get me.
 
Just for the note, Ak9, we're not debating whether piracy is legal or not, because it isn't, as laws are written... we're debating whether it should be or not.

And I don't like that thing of recording movies on theaters. At least it'll never be allowed, since theaters themselves are ultimately affected by it, even if the recorder made no profit from it.
 
I don't see why it should be okay to do something just because you aren't making money off of it yourself.

If you go to see a movie in theatres, what on earth gives you the right to record that movie yourself? If you want to see it again, yeah, you'd already have a copy for yourself to watch but that's stealing money. Why? Because if you didn't have that copy, you would have to go back to the theatre and pay your admission to watch it again OR you would wait for the DVD to come out and buy it then. (Or rent it, whatever floats your boat.) You may not make any money off of this but you're still viewing something that you should have paid for. If you view a movie in a theatre, look at your ticket. You paid for that showing and nothing else.

Same goes for music you download. Just because you aren't charging people to listen to the songs you illegally acquire doesn't make it any less illegal. You're still getting and listening to music that you should have paid for, be it for the whole disc as a hard copy or for single songs on a legal program like iTunes.

Also, it's not right to make profits from something you legally own either, imo. That's why at the beginning of any movie you buy (even way back on VHS!) it tells you that the work cannot be redistributed or shown outside of private use. The text flashes pretty quickly and I've never needed to memorize it, but I believe that's the jist of it. If you do plan on showing a movie or TV show or something you bought, AND it's to a commercial audience, you need express permission. I feel that's right and only fair.

I definitely disagree with those points of yours, AdvancedK9. I do agree that people should have the right to back up something they already own, so long as they aren't distributing it, though. :/

Piracy is stealing no matter what light you try to cast it in. Sure, I feel guiltier downloading some things over others and that kind of double standard is terrible, but regardless of whether you're downloading one little song, an entire game or movie, or even a book... it's illegal.
 
I'm hoping this won't sound as bad as it does in my head, so I'll just say it.

Of course it shouldn't be legal. Just because some people don't want to pay for something that others worked hard to make doesn't mean it should be legal. And guess what, they need money to create more of what ever is being pirated. So think before you try to pirate. It isn't cheap to make and produce these things.

There is just no logical reason to consider |making piracy legal|. (That doesn't mean I think this topic is stupid. I want to see if anyone can give a decent reason towards |making piracy legal|, but I just don't see it happening.)
 
Piracy is called "piracy" for a reason; it's taking something that legally doesn't belong to you. That means if it was like, legal piracy, then it wouldn't really be piracy at all ^_^

Plus, it's kind of stupid =P If you want something bad enough to be willing to go to jail for it, then you've got like serious problems. =P

~BR
 
If piracy was legal it wouldn't be piracy.

So far today Ive downloaded about 2 gig worths of torrent. I just see it as borrowing since I'm only giving away the amount I've downloaded. I'm not gonna go out an sell it or give a copy to every single friend I have. I'm gonna delete it when Ive watched it a couple of times.

I really don't see whats wrong with it. Apart from stealing a bit of money from the maker. But the price some of them charge is stupid. £300 for photoshop.
 
I think piracy should be legal depending on the situations. I have to pirate raw Pokemon episodes because it's almost impossible to get them on legal dvd. However, if they respected us fans, I'd be happy to support my favorite anime.

Also, situations may vary. For example, I'm a fan of Zelda and I have a rom of both Ocarina of Time and Majora's Mask (technically it's ok for me to have a rom of them because I own a legal copy of the game) but there are some things one needs a rom for. Taking clear screenshots, doing fun things with the game and ripping textures for pure fun, non profit use is impossible on a real game cartridge but made easy because of roms.
Price can be taken into consideration too. Some companies overcharge their products. Look at Sketchup and Google sketchup. Sketchup has more features than google sketchup but not nearly enough to explain paying six hundred dollars from paying nothing!

Impact can also be considered. My sister's boyfriend, this is his thought. Companies that make all that money like Adobe, Macromedia, the company of 3dstudio max, they've made so much money that a little loss wont really harm them. It's like downloading hit music where the artist is already a millionaire.

Other than that, piracy shouldn't be legal, but provided the situations, there should be exceptions.
 
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