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Do you think the writers and the (dub) actors are incompetent?

Lizardo

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    I think that the Pocket Monsters anime franchise has always been a flawed one, but for whatever reason it's been successful enough to last seventeen years and counting, and that's nothing to be glossed over. For that reason alone, I don't think the people behind the show can truly be called incompetent. Many writers and producers of better shows have failed miserably where these people have succeeded.
     

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    Why should he? He and Pikachu are the single most marketable characters of the anime, and it's hard for children to relate to teenagers.
    Children's imaginations don't work like that. Take Star Wars for example. Growing up, I wanted to be Luke Skywalker or Han Solo.

    I never wanted to be kid Anakin or that one parasite who says "because someone erased it from the archive memory."

    Growing up, while Pokemon was a cool show, I hoped over time Ash would grow like me. Nope. Instead he's the same dumb kid as ever. What's worse, everytime he starts a new adventure, his character development is often reset and he acts like the same gung-ho, loudmouthed, spastic rookie he was in his Kanto adventures. This is not a good way to tell a story. Yes, I know the anime is supposed to be commercial diahrea and not art, but that excuse can only go so far and it's beginning to show in the ratings. Not even Serena's crush is enough to save the show because being the idiot that he is, it's possible that a) Ash will never catch a clue and b) even if he does catch a clue, he's too immature to reciprocate because he continues to be act like an 8-year old.

    Compare this to Pokemon Special, where the characters actually age over time. This not only feels natural, it also helps with their character development. Their experiences growing up and journeying over time shape them as characters and helps them act like and feel like real people, which makes them much more relatable to everyone. Even though we get different protagonists every arc, even they grow up a little and better yet, when they show up in another arc years later, they don't have their developments reset. They grow and change and become much more likable over time, much in the same way real people develop. This makes PokeSpe many times more interesting and endearing than what's being done with the anime.
     
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    Children's imaginations don't work like that. Take Star Wars for example. Growing up, I wanted to be Luke Skywalker or Han Solo.

    I never wanted to be kid Anakin or that one parasite who says "because someone erased it from the archive memory."

    Growing up, while Pokemon was a cool show, I hoped over time Ash would grow like me. Nope. Instead he's the same dumb kid as ever. What's worse, everytime he starts a new adventure, his character development is often reset and he acts like the same gung-ho, loudmouthed, spastic rookie he was in his Kanto adventures. This is not a good way to tell a story. Yes, I know the anime is supposed to be commercial diahrea and not art, but that excuse can only go so far and it's beginning to show in the ratings. Not even Serena's crush is enough to save the show because being the idiot that he is, it's possible that a) Ash will never catch a clue and b) even if he does catch a clue, he's too immature to reciprocate because he continues to be act like an 8-year old.

    Compare this to Pokemon Special, where the characters actually age over time. This not only feels natural, it also helps with their character development. Their experiences growing up and journeying over time shape them as characters and helps them act like and feel like real people, which makes them much more relatable to everyone. Even though we get different protagonists every arc, even they grow up a little and better yet, when they show up in another arc years later, they don't have their developments reset. They grow and change and become much more likable over time, much in the same way real people develop. This makes PokeSpe many times more interesting and endearing than what's being done with the anime.

    Yeah, and that's not even getting into how several Disney films, even though most of them are geared towards families with children, if not children themselves, had protagonists who were pretty clearly older than most of the target audience barring parents, and many of those protagonists have actually been iconic. Likewise, with Return to the Sea, we've got a character named Melody, the daughter of Ariel and Eric, who actually IS a kid (12 years old by the film's main events) and while she's not exactly unpopular (heck, even though Return to the Sea itself was undeniably a bad movie with many detractors, Melody herself does indeed have a good following, and Tara Strong even listed her as her favorite character. It's certainly a much better reception than the kind Scrappy Doo got, I'll give you that much.), she doesn't exactly match up with Ariel, her mother's following.

    Even the Dragon Ball franchise has this. After all, most of its characters develop and even age. It's in fact one of the most popular animes ever, especially outside Japan. Even moreso than Pokémon, in fact.

    @DBZ fan: I agree overall with your post. At best, the most past characters might get right now is flashbacks, like Misty appearing in a flashback to events relating to Charizard during BW. Didn't even know Mayumi Iizuka said that, and I followed her on Twitter. That being said, between Misty and May, Misty has far better chances of a reappearance, as at least Mayumi Iizuka is still working on voice acting. KAORI, May's VA, retired from voice acting in favor of being a Pop Artist, so her returning is a snowball's chance in heck, even if we ignore the anime's tendency to ignore past characters. In fact, the issue with Ash right now is precisely the reason why I really think they should have replaced him in AG, maybe even after DP.

    And honestly, the way the writers are doing the show is directly impacting their ratings in a horrible manner. I won't even be surprised if they decided to include hard-core nudity or making one of the characters homosexual, thus alienating the little amount of their target audience they still have, in a desperate attempt to regain ratings. I've seen it happen before. After all, West Wing included two sex scenes between Donna and Josh (before they were even married, in fact) on its final season, and with Heroes' final season, they made Claire a lesbian for some stupid reason, even when prior seasons made very clear she wasn't even attracted to the same sex at all. Both also happened to be their final seasons, as I mentioned earlier.

    Your comment about Shudo's blogs actually reminded me of what nearly happened to Toy Story, as a matter of fact. John Lasseter and Pixar's development team had to get approval from Disney on several aspects of the film, and Jeffrey Katzenberg (at the time the chairman of Disney before he got fired from infighting with then-Disney CEO Michael Eisner and formed DreamWorks SKG in response) nearly killed production of Toy Story singlehandedly by demanding that they make the film more "adult" and "edgy", resulting in Woody and to a lesser degree most of Andy's toys being made into huge apathetic jerks on what was later called the Black Friday reel (you can even find it on Youtube. Just type in "Black Friday reel"). Thankfully, Toy Story ended up becoming the beloved film after Disney let them make the film they wanted to make, which is more than what we can say regarding Pokémon right now.
     
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    Yes, yes I do. With all the hatred and fiber in my being! I also think they are far too easily shaken and fragile when it comes to natural disasters (also most as if they are looking for excuse to abort or derail an actually edgy plot arc that's more akin to the games, instead of some repetitive filler fluff). I mean, they actually banned the Dragalge episode over an incident that happened in a country that had nothing to do with them. Oh and anyone remember the last time we saw Porygon, or the first time we ever saw its evolutions in the anime? Exactly.

    Overall, in the plan of the writers, Ash would rather make random friends and interact with any Pokemon, than put in the necessary effort needed to win a league conference. Meanwhile, the Team Rocket Trio are the most recognizable antagonists, and everything will always be their fault, and any conflict of the day will always be resolved by kicking their buts, .....day, after day, after day! Pokemon can hardly be recognized as an anime anymore, and more of Japan's version of a Saturday morning Hanna-Barbera cartoon show.

    The writers are so kid friendly, they're actually afraid of things that could possible advance the plot like a sentient Big Bad Pokemon with truly wicked intentions (and not just confused, misunderstood, or enraged), Missingno., EV training, rebellion against the Pokemon League Association, N's original role in the games, Ash & co.'s interaction with Giovanni or Lysandre, a full 6-on-6 battle between Ash and Giovanni (you know, the one actually incharge of Team Rocket), the identity of Ash's father, the appearance of Red (the real Red), and for all we know this generation, Ash's chances in Mega Evolution and the Kalos League. These writers even pussed out with Darkrai (he could've been Arceus' evil counterpart, but they demoted him to being Cresselia's match).

    But as for the rest of the corporation, they're more interested in the anime as some product-selling cashcow. Overall, with only 72 new Pokemon and ORAS coming up with even more Mega evolutions, there's going to be ever more filler fluff, with Clemont scolding Bonnie and Team Rocket blasting off again! Also, look at the current Summer Camp arc.
     
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    Yes, yes I do. With all the hatred and fiber in my being! I also think they are far too easily shaken and fragile when it comes to natural disasters (also most as if they are looking for excuse to abort or derail an actually edgy plot arc that's more akin to the games, instead of some repetitive filler fluff). I mean, they actually banned the Dragalge episode over an incident that happened in a country that had nothing to do with them. Oh and anyone remember the last time we saw Porygon, or the first time we ever saw its evolutions in the anime? Exactly.

    Overall, in the plan of the writers, Ash would rather make random friends and interact with any Pokemon, than put in the necessary effort needed to win a league conference. Meanwhile, the Team Rocket Trio are the most recognizable antagonists, and everything will always be their fault, and any conflict of the day will always be resolved by kicking their buts, .....day, after day, after day! Pokemon can hardly be recognized as an anime anymore, and more of Japan's version of a Saturday morning Hanna-Barbera cartoon show.

    The writers are so kid friendly, they're actually afraid of things that could possible advance the plot like a sentient Big Bad Pokemon with truly wicked intentions (and not just confused, misunderstood, or enraged), Missingno., EV training, rebellion against the Pokemon League Association, N's original role in the games, Ash & co.'s interaction with Giovanni or Lysandre, a full 6-on-6 battle between Ash and Giovanni (you know, the one actually incharge of Team Rocket), the identity of Ash's father, the appearance of Red (the real Red), and for all we know this generation, Ash's chances in Mega Evolution and the Kalos League. These writers even pussed out with Darkrai (he could've been Arceus' evil counterpart, but they demoted him to being Cresselia's match).

    But as for the rest of the corporation, they're more interested in the anime as some product-selling cashcow. Overall, with only 72 new Pokemon and ORAS coming up with even more Mega evolutions, there's going to be ever more filler fluff, with Clemont scolding Bonnie and Team Rocket blasting off again! Also, look at the current Summer Camp arc.

    To be fair regarding the lack of Big Bad Pokémon, Island of the Giant Pokémon did make clear that there was no such thing as an evil Pokémon. Plus, that foul-behaved Togepi in DP is probably the closest we'll ever get to a truly evil Pokémon. And anyways, you have to blame the games for Darkrai being Cresselia's counterpart and thus being "pussy," as all the Anime did was follow what the games naturally implied with the Crescent wing and the Pokedex entries (and even the games, Pokémon Mystery Dungeon aside, strongly implied that Darkrai itself isn't malicious so much as it traps people in nightmares as a defense mechanism to ward off threats).

    Though with that said, I do agree with you overall. And somehow they think making the main girls in the anime nothing more than pieces of meat (sorry, "eyecandy") is even remotely acceptable, especially when they are A. children (remember, with the exception of Brock and possibly Tracey, most of the heroes are 10 year olds at most, children in other words), meaning they are truly skating the line regarding promoting child pornography, and B., the entire anime is geared towards kids, even by Japan's standards (honestly, Transformers: Kiss Kiss was similarly geared towards little girls, yet the hentai overtones of that anime were so overt even Japan had to cancel it, yet somehow Pokémon doesn't get into any serious trouble despite its former director freely admitting on that PokeBeach article back in 2010 that they literally viewed all the girls up to that point as being disposable sexual fanservice objects, which given the implications of that would have resulted in at the very least a severe decrease in ratings, maybe even a huge lawsuit and the writers potentially going to prison [as even in Japan, child porn is extremely illegal])? I know a few Japanese women who absolutely hated the Female Anime Stereotype depicted in Japan such as the ones depicted in Love Hina and Battle Vixens, or the girls from the episode Princess vs. Princess. About your complaint about Team Rocket, what's even worse is that, BW and initially a part of Kanto aside, Team Rocket hasn't actually done anything truly serious (and even then, BW did it in the absolute wrong way). If you're going to make them recurring antagonists, even comical ones, at least make sure they are actually a threat so stopping them every time actually MEANS something. Hey, the Joker was a comical antagonist in the DCAU, which is actually somewhat light and soft yet still somewhat adult, yet even on his worst days, he was proven to be a genuine threat constantly, despite his comical nature. And honestly, the Hanna-Barbera cartoon shows comparison is unfair, since at least Scooby Doo actually does give variances to its antagonists (plus, many of their antagonists have been proven to be genuine threats anyways). Heck, even Gaston, who BTW was the most poorly-written Disney Villain barring possibly Governor Ratcliffe from Pocahontas, was an actual, genuine threat by the ending of Beauty and the Beast. It speaks volumes that Gaston, who is essentially closer in characterization to someone like Lawrence than an actual main villain despite being the main villain, and even being a Team Rocket-style villain, did a far better job at actually being a villain than JJM are currently.

    And I also agree strongly with your comment about the leagues, which is even worse since the entire POINT about the regions IS the leagues, and advancing to the next level. Say what you will about Johto and its long-ending fillers, but at least Ash actually advanced in rank, so the long wait was actually worth it. Honestly, the only other region to actually have Ash advance as of right now is Sinnoh. And based on the collapsing ratings, most kids and fans would actually agree with you there.

    And they also are willing to derail anything that actually is from the games, regardless of whether it's actually edgy or not. Take for example the Pokémon World Conference from Generation V. That was something actually from the games, not to mention would have given the PERFECT opportunity to actually bring back Misty at the very least, and for a short period of time, if not to the main cast. Heck, even actually give her some closure they failed to give her back in the end of Johto when they thoughtlessly forced her into a gym, and forcing her to sacrifice a goal she strived for, just to have an excuse for "more eyecandy." Yet they outright ignored it, despite it actually being something from the games, not to mention it is something that isn't even that edgy anyways. To make matters worse, they brought Dawn in even though she had absolutely no business being in Unova to begin with (I don't recall there being any coordinator contests in Unova, do you?).

    The Dragalge episode's banning was even more shocking considering that they literally had no real reason to ban it. At the very least, they should let the people actually in that country ban the episode when it hits the airwaves there, not ban it in Japan, which has absolutely nothing to do with that country's disaster.

    Not to mention fairly recent episodes and films seemed to ooze with left-wing propaganda, such as the Zoaroak movie. I mean, honestly, they even made one of the heroes of that movie an expy of Michael Moore, that hard-left propagandist posing as a documentarist (it's not even supposition as Bulbapedia made that very clear, I think one of the interviews even made that clear as well).
     
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    @DBZ fan: I agree overall with your post. At best, the most past characters might get right now is flashbacks, like Misty appearing in a flashback to events relating to Charizard during BW. Didn't even know Mayumi Iizuka said that, and I followed her on Twitter. That being said, between Misty and May, Misty has far better chances of a reappearance, as at least Mayumi Iizuka is still working on voice acting. KAORI, May's VA, retired from voice acting in favor of being a Pop Artist, so her returning is a snowball's chance in heck, even if we ignore the anime's tendency to ignore past characters. In fact, the issue with Ash right now is precisely the reason why I really think they should have replaced him in AG, maybe even after DP.

    And honestly, the way the writers are doing the show is directly impacting their ratings in a horrible manner. I won't even be surprised if they decided to include hard-core nudity or making one of the characters homosexual, thus alienating the little amount of their target audience they still have, in a desperate attempt to regain ratings. I've seen it happen before. After all, West Wing included two sex scenes between Donna and Josh (before they were even married, in fact) on its final season, and with Heroes' final season, they made Claire a lesbian for some stupid reason, even when prior seasons made very clear she wasn't even attracted to the same sex at all. Both also happened to be their final seasons, as I mentioned earlier.

    Your comment about Shudo's blogs actually reminded me of what nearly happened to Toy Story, as a matter of fact. John Lasseter and Pixar's development team had to get approval from Disney on several aspects of the film, and Jeffrey Katzenberg (at the time the chairman of Disney before he got fired from infighting with then-Disney CEO Michael Eisner and formed DreamWorks SKG in response) nearly killed production of Toy Story singlehandedly by demanding that they make the film more "adult" and "edgy", resulting in Woody and to a lesser degree most of Andy's toys being made into huge apathetic jerks on what was later called the Black Friday reel (you can even find it on Youtube. Just type in "Black Friday reel"). Thankfully, Toy Story ended up becoming the beloved film after Disney let them make the film they wanted to make, which is more than what we can say regarding Pokémon right now.

    This is one of biggest issue this anime has in my opinion. To have believable story, loyal fandom which is interested in being kept in anime until series ends. Preserve some franchise and series popularity and have credible, built with innovation and substance tory.

    Its very importnt to have continuity in show you write for, pay attention to roots which started everything making your work popular and widely recognized in first place, with past characters and plots building pokemon storyliner and helping Ash develop as person.

    To acknowledge past companions existence whether its Misty whose story and future as you said was unfinished having potential to do much more with her dreams, thoughts and interests. But May, Brock, Cilan, Tracey etc, etc.

    Its only netting pokemon series bad reputation, lowering people appeal and appreciation for writers work given how they treat their own creations with no respect, acknowledgemernt of their importance in anime universe they write for as whole leaving their stories, started plots, goals and issues unresolved defeating point behind making them than in first place. If you only give to viewers introduction and tangle of his story, but never making sure to also provide culmination and denouement in their fictional work. Leaving us with unfinished and never fully explored product.
    It damages continuity, contributes to shallow plot and discourage people from staying invested in characters with who they could associate tnemselves with prompting them to continue watching anime. Thus remaining loyal to it. Which is , very, very, very bad formula in developing loyalty and devotedness among your viewers, maintaining people interest and quality of story as whole. Formula which isn't sustainable and cannot last forever.

    This is one of biggest disappointments i have with formula pokemon anime promotes on daily basis because its outright not prductive if your aim is to increase popularity of your product and try to at least restore partially some of lost ratings returning back people hopes of anime they grew up with caring about its audience delivering more eventful story.

    As for Ash, well i dont know im not in favor of replacing him.
    Because demanding character replacement when character itself still has many unexplored things about his past, dreams and story as whole i feel is disrespectful and inconsiderate toward that potential, value and positive impact his/her existence brought to some show in my opinion. Giving up on him and chance to be explored to full potential and depriving people which may actually enjoy in character froim opportunity to see where will started work, effort and his interest drive him in the end. Becauise of final destination, way to get there and progression never being revealed.

    I still like Ash, feel he has too much potential to deprive character and fans from it not wanting to see him go.

    Instead im more in favor of more effort put in his character development, break new frontiers in his quest of becoming master introducing missing links like father or his connections to guardian aura making some concrete story out of it bringing more depth to protagonist characterization. As well reveal new steps after he finally wins league in order to become master.

    Invest more in past companions and their unresolved plots increasing hype and excitement from fans of long gone favorites they grew up with becoming relevant again.
    Delivering continuity based, on going stoiry which builds on itself through group of inseparable friends which explore world, go on more challenging tasks and stick together going through various exciting stages of life. Feeling like they are growing with us and keep us excited to see in what way long epic story is going to end with them. Rather than bringing one after another new character, yet at same time leaving so many great characters with unfinished stories and muddled down into the ground their impact on anime like they never existed.

    In sense of not neceesarily stopping adding new characters either as fourth companion or through recurring role?
    Do you think the writers and the (dub) actors are incompetent?

    But also not forgetting about past characters enjoying in their playful antics, flamboyant personalities and interesting traits going in new, fresh exciting adventures updated, renewed and enriched with new knowledge they accumulated before becoming more competent because of that, more selfreliant and ready to go on next level.
     
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    This is one of biggest issue this anime has in my opinion. To have believable story, loyal fandom which is interested in being kept in anime until series ends. Preserve some franchise and series popularity and have credible, built with innovation and substance tory.

    Its very importnt to have continuity in show you write for, pay attention to roots which started everything making your work popular and widely recognized in first place, with past characters and plots building pokemon storyliner and helping Ash develop as person.

    To acknowledge past companions existence whether its Misty whose story and future as you said was unfinished having potential to do much more with her dreams, thoughts and interests. But May, Brock, Cilan, Tracey etc, etc.

    Yeah, I agree. It would be one thing if Pokémon was intended to be something like Looney Tunes or the Simpsons (you know, not actually having an on-gong plot or even a constant timeline), but when the main crux of the goal involves leagues and actually improving, continuity is actually essential for a series like that. And it being an advertisement for the games is not an excuse, either. Just look at most of the Transformers shows up to at least Beast Machines (since that was the last Transformers Franchise to be developed in America until the Michael Bay films a decade later): The show was directly intended to be a commercial of sorts for the Transformers toys, yet they had much better continuity and development than, say, Pokémon does right now. I'd know, as I watched Beast Wars as a child. Heck, I even based part of one of my Pokémon fanfics on Beast Wars.

    And I also agree regarding acknowledging past companions. It would be one thing if the characters were, say, dead, but they are not. Heck, even if it's just a few minutes of checking in on their status, that would be perfectly reasonable to actually introducing the characters. Probably the only old character we're practically guaranteed to get a reappearance is Tracey, and that's only because he's working with Professor Oak and thus we don't even have to look very far to find him (plus, technically, he's the only character who actually completed his goal: Basically working with Professor Oak). Though with May and Dawn, they'll have to be hard-pressed to actually have them appear since, well, the show abandoned Pokémon Contests since BW. They can at least be called, though.

    Its only netting pokemon series bad reputation, lowering people appeal and appreciation for writers work given how they treat their own creations with no respect, acknowledgemernt of their importance in anime universe they write for as whole leaving their stories, started plots, goals and issues unresolved defeating point behind making them than in first place. If you only give to viewers introduction and tangle of his story, but never making sure to also provide culmination and denouement in their fictional work. Leaving us with unfinished and never fully explored product.
    It damages continuity, contributes to shallow plot and discourage people from staying invested in characters with who they could associate tnemselves with prompting them to continue watching anime. Thus remaining loyal to it. Which is , very, very, very bad formula in developing loyalty and devotedness among your viewers, maintaining people interest and quality of story as whole. Formula which isn't sustainable and cannot last forever.

    Yeah, it's extremely damaging, especially when said formula isn't even intended for a show where literally the entire point is to get better at something. That formula works for Bugs Bunny since there isn't any continuity or a cohesive timeline in those cartoons to begin with, but with Pokémon, it flat out doesn't work at all. And when most of the audience is exposed so much to characters barring Ash leaving (and it happening on such a frequency that, since AG, Ash and the regional group don't seem to be even remotely upset [heck, probably the only character to even be slightly upset about splitting up is Max].), and Ash himself very rarely, if at all, actually retaining his development from the previous region, there's little point to even watching it, and if they have younger siblings, heck, even cousins nearby or their friends have younger siblings, those younger kids will probably get the hint that its not going to be worth watching either before they come of age. Stories require some form of character development for the characters to actually mean something. When they stagnate, are replaced like cogs (especially when there is still a use for them), that is bound to backfire on the audience's receptions to the character.

    This is one of biggest disappointments i have with formula pokemon anime promotes on daily basis because its outright not prductive if your aim is to increase popularity of your product and try to at least restore partially some of lost ratings returning back people hopes of anime they grew up with caring about its audience delivering more eventful story.

    Definitely not productive, period, as even Japan's having a huge loss of ratings, to say nothing about Pokémon's ratings outside Japan.

    As for Ash, well i dont know im not in favor of replacing him.
    Because demanding character replacement when character itself still has many unexplored things about his past, dreams and story as whole i feel is disrespectful and inconsiderate toward that potential, value and positive impact his/her existence brought to some show in my opinion. Giving up on him and chance to be explored to full potential and depriving people which may actually enjoy in character froim opportunity to see where will started work, effort and his interest drive him in the end. Becauise of final destination, way to get there and progression never being revealed.

    I guess you have a point there, though honestly, they were pretty geared towards having Ash win the league in Sinnoh (heck, they even explained what the requirements of becoming a Pokémon Master are, and even emphasized the E4 and champion in a way that not even the Elite 4 of Kanto emphasized), and probably would have done it if they literally didn't waste time before Black and White's release.

    I still like Ash, feel he has too much potential to deprive character and fans from it not wanting to see him go.

    Yeah, and I don't think its a good idea to kick him out before he won a league anyways. Unfortunately, having him continuously not win a league, or in the case of AG and BW, even get a better ranking, is even worse. How the heck can he even become a Pokémon Master, much less the world's greatest Pokémon Master, if he can't even improve his game?

    Instead im more in favor of more effort put in his character development, break new frontiers in his quest of becoming master introducing missing links like father or his connections to guardian aura making some concrete story out of it bringing more depth to protagonist characterization. As well reveal new steps after he finally wins league in order to become master.

    Yeah, they definitely needed to expand on those points. Probably the closest we've ever gotten to actually finding out about Ash's father was in Pokémon Live, and that's a non-canon stage production. Ash having aura (which is actually somewhat similar to Psychic abilities if you really think about it, especially Sabrina's line in the games about it being present in everyone and only a few are aware of it) also needs to be expanded upon rather than dropped. For the record, they should actually introduce Misty's parents (I heard on tumblr that they're still alive, though that wasn't exactly good news as the person who revealed this, who was an official on the show at the time, implied that her parents are deadbeats like Brock's parents).

    Invest more in past companions and their unresolved plots increasing hype and excitement from fans of long gone favorites they grew up with becoming relevant again.
    Delivering continuity based, on going stoiry which builds on itself through group of inseparable friends which explore world, go on more challenging tasks and stick together going through various exciting stages of life. Feeling like they are growing with us and keep us excited to see in what way long epic story is going to end with them. Rather than bringing one after another new character, yet at same time leaving so many great characters with unfinished stories and muddled down into the ground their impact on anime like they never existed.

    Yeah, agreed. May and Dawn might be tricky, though, especially after contests were done away with in BW and XY, and unlike Misty for example (who, forced by her sisters to drop her goal or not, she at least didn't have a goal she was actually pursuing), I'm doubtful May and Dawn would just put their own goals on hold even if its to reunite with Ash. After all, Ash doesn't put his goals on hold to specifically reunite with his friends, so why should they? At least with Sinnoh, May actually had a reason why she would go there, due to a transregional contest ribbon. Dawn I can't even say she had an actual reason for going to Unova in the first place, especially when A. she was supposed to be going for contests in Hoenn by that time, and B., even if she managed to finish up contests in Hoenn by the time of her appearance, Unova lacks contests of any sort (they made a pretty big deal of it too in the ending of DP, even having Jessie retire from becoming a coordinator and having a long look at her discarded outfit), so her best bet is going for either Kanto or Johto for contests. And May, well, by this time she's probably done with all the contests that can be found, at least in the first four regions (yes, even Sinnoh, as that's probably the only contest area in Unova that May most likely hasn't gone for, as she most likely already competed Johto by that time anyways). They might try to make some references to the characters, maybe phoning them, but that's about it as far as I can tell. Probably the only real way they can get them to return is if the next region has Pokémon Contests. I think May's VA also retired from voice acting, so that's another reason why I'm doubtful May would return anyways. Misty and Iris are more likely to be returning than them anyways.

    In sense of not neceesarily stopping adding new characters either as fourth companion or through recurring role?
    Do you think the writers and the (dub) actors are incompetent?

    But also not forgetting about past characters enjoying in their playful antics, flamboyant personalities and interesting traits going in new, fresh exciting adventures updated, renewed and enriched with new knowledge they accumulated before becoming more competent because of that, more selfreliant and ready to go on next level.

    Yeah, I agree (though personally I'd rather forget May and Dawn, but if the ratings demand they return, might as well heed their return).
     
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    I guess you have a point there, though honestly, they were pretty geared towards having Ash win the league in Sinnoh (heck, they even explained what the requirements of becoming a Pokémon Master are, and even emphasized the E4 and champion in a way that not even the Elite 4 of Kanto emphasized), and probably would have done it if they literally didn't waste time before Black and White's release.

    True, although if i recall right in episode "Elite Meet and Greet" Lucian mentioned how after winning regional league, champion league which consists of challenging E4 members and champion is stated to be one of steps on road of becoming pokemon master.

    Based on this wording it seems there are other steps so far unexplained Ash would need to overcome , even after conquering champion league. Possible special quests like Battle Frontier was for Ash to accomplish, maybe some sort of league for masters gathering every champion from various regions being invited on special journey battling examinators to qualify for grand tournament where best of them is recognized as top trainer in world.

    I mean even in contests May rival Solidad continued traveling after becoming top coordinator of Kanto aiming to win Grand Festival in Johto too. Revealing she wants to become top coordinator in world instead of just one region reaching heights of Wallace who is biggest authority and labeled as contest master in world of coordinators.

    Making it frustrating that Ash didn't accomplished some big step on his joirney of becoming pokemon master, let alone exploring on what else there is in store for him and possible continuation of his journey. Given how according to interview with Masamitsu Hidaka on pokebeach from 20008. pokemon series wont end until Ash becomes pokemon master.

    To have fulfiling story which makes you interested, believable progression and sense of journey character development. Consistency and connections to history and moments which molded protagonist skills, behavior and knowledge are crucial to tell cogent, endearing and constructive storyline. Feeling like past work, struggles and progression leads to something not being done in vain.

    Yeah, agreed. May and Dawn might be tricky, though, especially after contests were done away with in BW and XY, and unlike Misty for example (who, forced by her sisters to drop her goal or not, she at least didn't have a goal she was actually pursuing), I'm doubtful May and Dawn would just put their own goals on hold even if its to reunite with Ash. After all, Ash doesn't put his goals on hold to specifically reunite with his friends, so why should they? At least with Sinnoh, May actually had a reason why she would go there, due to a transregional contest ribbon. Dawn I can't even say she had an actual reason for going to Unova in the first place, especially when A. she was supposed to be going for contests in Hoenn by that time, and B., even if she managed to finish up contests in Hoenn by the time of her appearance, Unova lacks contests of any sort (they made a pretty big deal of it too in the ending of DP, even having Jessie retire from becoming a coordinator and having a long look at her discarded outfit), so her best bet is going for either Kanto or Johto for contests. And May, well, by this time she's probably done with all the contests that can be found, at least in the first four regions (yes, even Sinnoh, as that's probably the only contest area in Unova that May most likely hasn't gone for, as she most likely already competed Johto by that time anyways). They might try to make some references to the characters, maybe phoning them, but that's about it as far as I can tell. Probably the only real way they can get them to return is if the next region has Pokémon Contests. I think May's VA also retired from voice acting, so that's another reason why I'm doubtful May would return anyways. Misty and Iris are more likely to be returning than them anyways.

    Well one of advantages Misty and Iris have lies in not having in advance preconstructed path character needs to follow in order to achieve dreams not depending on game quests and whether they will exist in future games or not. Like its case with coordinators.

    Main premise and primary objective of what Misty/Iris dreams entail is known(becoming best mono trainer in world spreading your name worldwide among other water experts becoming honored and known for unique abilities,while for Iris learning how to understand dragon feelings properly establishing powerful bond with them), but road to get there left many unanswred questions making it all that more easy for writers to take character in any direction and create story justifying its return.

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    With May and Dawn i agree it would be harder. Although in case Ash ever travels through Kanto or Johto again if new remakes are made would mean return of contests, something Dawn could try herself out. In case of going through Kanto(although it would make more sense to include someone who lives there and better represents Ash hometown region like Misty/Brock).

    Alternative is in bringing coordinators back in filler post league arc when game promotion of main games isnt so prevalent with purpose of promoting concept of contests in regions they aren't relevant sparking people interest,. Or meeting up with retired top coordinators who got tired of fame and media attention retreating from coordinator scene to learn from them how to make better combinations and stylish moves for their performances. In some sort of anime exclusive arc featuring past coordinator girls again.

    But in general your right, its much easier to bring back characters less dependant on game quests.
    Which would be good strategy in restoring people faith in writer abilities, spread out reputation through positive word of mouth and bring more excitement toward this anime.

    Anime shouldn't be completely subjected to games.
    There should exist balance between two medias allowing for more individuality. Adding for more unpredictable, eventful and game changing story.

    At very least writers should take in account concept of character rotation(reuse of some older characters in future) increasing continuity, reminding on friendship and strong relationahips existing between Ash and others as well on strengthening storyline through their presence.

    Since this way you can not only attract more of viewers toward some show through word of mouth and hype such twists make, but also have target audience get better insight in pokemon history, companion which left impact on it and better understand Ash past and experience he collected over the years. Making them as result more attached to current main characters.
    Increasing quality and popularity of this show imo.

    p.s. My reply is shorter, but you pretty much covered everthing else so i dont have much to add on what you said.
     
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    Used to be a huge fan of the show, over time I feel like it just got too convoluted especially for a series that's got what, over 800 episodes now? The original (really, up till and through Hoenn) was really good and consistently watchable. I feel like they've repeated and rehashed so many stories (which is to be expected to an extent), but they hardly even tell them differently at this point.

    It's just hard to even be invested in anymore.
     
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    Yes, those are your personal ideals and opinions, not your exclusive ideals and opinions. I have my own personal ideals and opinions, but do I complain when they don't happen? No. I'd like to see them come to fruition but I don't blame the writers for being incompetent for not fulfilling them. I enjoy what I'm given knowing that I won't be able to make a difference.

    Apparently I closed this thread on accident... Sorry about that, everyone, it's opened again.

    So Your basically saying No writers are incompetent and its all Fans fault for having Expectation.

    Wanting A ''Well thought Story-plot'' , ''Well thought Rival'' , ''Well thought Humor'' , ''Well Thought Chemistry'' , ''Well Thought Character development'' , ''Well though Humor'' And ''Well thought Script'' is Not someone Personal Ideal/Opinion ! Its Writers Job .

    Honestly , ''Personal Ideal/Opinion'' is nothing more then excuse to cover up writers incompetence.
    Don't try to say BW Series was Well thought Because Nothing of BW series was Well-thought.

    Even Pokespe has a well-thought Story and development ! And its written by one writer.
    In that case , Most Pokemon Anime Stupidity is unacceptable when its written by 5 writer all together.
    What does Writers think ? Pokemon Franchises will last forever at the top.

    A lot member here believe that But I'm a Realist and I believe ''NOTHING LAST FOREVER''.
    Pokemon is the same too ! If Pokemon get careless then other rival Franchises will overthrow it .
    That Why Pokemon company a lot of money in the Anime Production to prevent that from happening .
    But If Pokemon fall to 8th place while Youkai Watch take 2nd place in Bandai Toy Sales Chart then the Anime is useless ! Pokemon Writer must did amazing Job for this achievement.

    Fans are important ! It Because They watch the show and waste a ton of money on Pokemon merchandise , Pokemon stuff get their paycheck.
    Pokemon doesn't only sell Plushie to children ! It sells Game , TCG , Figure , Manga , T-shirt , DVD Cosplay item and Drama CD !
    Therefore Pokemon Anime should be focusing on everyone that will buy merchandise which also include Hardcore Otaku and girls .
     

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    So Your basically saying No writers are incompetent and its all Fans fault for having Expectation.

    No, what I'm saying is that everyone has different opinions about how the anime should be directed and that those people complain because the writers don't fulfill their eclectic mix of expectations. Then the writers are blamed by many of the different kinds of fans of being incompetent because they are doing exactly what you'd expect from a show made for young children and temporary audiences.
     

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    "It's supposed to be for kids."

    Same thing was said for the Star Wars prequels and look how those turned out. Boring, illogical trainwreck CGI films that make no sense at all.

    Saying that "it's just for kids" is just an excuse for sloppy, crappy writing.
     

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    Saying that "it's just for kids" is just an excuse for sloppy, crappy writing.

    Maybe because kids aren't as critical about shows as adults. Kids enjoy Pokémon regardless of the show's writing, the reason why the show has been running on Cartoon Network for over fifteen years. You can't expect them to keep a continuous story for a show that depends on the unpredictable length of the game's longevity and with a temporary audience for each series. I'm sure only a handful of people who just began watching the show are willing to catch up on all previous 800+ episodes.
     

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    I don't really care for the "it's for kids" line of reasoning either, because there have been some truly amazing shows made for children. But I agree with the overall point being made by Wobbu. There are many things you can criticize any of these shows for, but so much of the complaints made by fans in general seem like they have less to do with the quality of the shows themselves and more to do with certain wishes not being fulfilled - for example, characters getting replaced.
     
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    Maybe because kids aren't as critical about shows as adults. Kids enjoy Pokémon regardless of the show's writing, the reason why the show has been running on Cartoon Network for over fifteen years. You can't expect them to keep a continuous story for a show that depends on the unpredictable length of the game's longevity and with a temporary audience for each series. I'm sure only a handful of people who just began watching the show are willing to catch up on all previous 800+ episodes.

    Actually, I'm pretty sure most kids actually hated Jar-Jar Binks, and I definitely know from the decrease in ratings that most kids in the targeted demographic are actually getting disgusted with how the show is being done. Think about it logically, if the primary demographic, extremely young kids, were being satisfied, please explain why the ratings are actually sinking like a rock instead of, you know, being stabilized, even increasing by a substantial amount? Keep in mind I'm not just talking about airings outside Japan, but even the Japanese ratings. There are more children than adults (in fact, that's how a culture continues), so it would be terminal to have a decrease in the children's audience, and even if kids do leave, plenty more would replace them to not have any severe drops in ratings, or to put it bluntly "they have reserves."

    And maybe you've forgotten, but there are DVD Boxed Sets, so kids don't have to wait for reruns to air, anyways, to catch up. All they need to do is go to their local movie store, buy the DVD boxed sets, then plop themselves on a couch and enjoy. Heck, they don't even need to go to their local movie store. They can just as easily order it online, maybe even stream them from Netflix. So believe me, there are plenty of ways to catch up besides waiting for reruns as you implied.

    And BTW, Beast Wars: Transformers was geared towards kids, as was Robocop the Animated Series, yet I definitely recall that they had far better writing than Pokémon does right now. Heck, the DiC video game adaptations had much better writing and even Dragon Ball/Dragon Ball Z had much better writing than Pokémon does right now, and those were geared towards kids. I can name plenty of shows geared towards children that were far better written than Pokémon is right now. Even by children's shows, how they are doing the show is simply stupid.

    And please don't use the same nihilistic claim of "differing opinions" regarding how the show is going to be run (and yes, the use of that term is indeed "nihilistic" because Nietzsche, the father of nihilism, specifically stated there weren't facts, but only perspectives), because honestly, when the ratings are sinking like a rock on both sides of the Pacific to such an extent that it's only a miracle they haven't been cancelled already, the Japanese voice actors are complaining about the quality of the show (as a couple of users have pointed out), and far too many times they are doing extremely unreasonable things (like keeping Ash 10, despite such a journey he is undergoing actually giving the necessary implication of aging), and even Takeshi Shudo specifically disliking the direction the show was undergoing by the time of AG in his blog entries, it is pretty clear the show is definitely not doing very well, even WITH their lasting as long as they did.

    Heck, Star Wars wasn't even expected to be a hit, yet even it and its Star Wars Legends (formerly known as the Expanded Universe until Lucas in his selfishness sold the rights to Disney) was far better with its continuity than Pokémon is right now.

    @Lizardo: At this point, I can handle characters being replaced, especially if they either have accomplished their goals or at least actually have a chance at accomplishing their goals: Tracey and Max accomplished their defined goals by the time they left; Brock willingly changed his goal and pursued it when he left; May, Dawn, Iris, and I think Cilan at least are actually pursuing their goals. The only character who HASN'T been allowed a chance to even pursue her goal is Misty, especially with the way they removed her from the series. Forget her being replaced by a FAS, forget the shabby treatment by putting her in a gym, forget the extremely disrespectful depictions of Gym Leaders as effectively being JJM clones in Hoenn, all I ask is that they at LEAST try to bring Misty back temporarily and then actually HAVE her pursue the goal she desired to pursue instead of being cooped up in a gym for who knows how long. And replacing the female characters for eyecandy (and it's not even opinion as the former director made very clear that was the reason) is definitely a very bad thing for various reasons. Probably the worst reason is due to the implication of their effectively using the show as child porn, since what he effectively stated is that they viewed the females of the show as being sacks of meat, and keep in mind that they are all 10 years old, well below teenage or adult level.

    And honestly, when the entire point of the show is to actually improve your game, to become a Pokémon Master, having Ash not only lose the leagues, but a few times not even increase in rank, even decreasing in a worse-case scenario, and you don't have him age at all, even give ANY indication that he knows what he is doing by the time of the next region, basically losing retention, exactly how is the quality even going to be good, or even allow the ratings to increase? And most of the target audience seems to get it, especially when the ratings are sinking since AG and DP, even more so now thanks to BW, and several members of the cast are actually complaining about the quality of the show. For a show that's targeted at a group that is easily replaceable, they are definitely losing ratings, which only goes to show that, even among the target audience, the show is NOT good at all.
     
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    Think about it logically, if the primary demographic, extremely young kids, were being satisfied, please explain why the ratings are actually sinking like a rock instead of, you know, being stabilized, even increasing by a substantial amount?
    Because the modern rating system is becoming more and more obsolete and inaccurate because of things like Netflix, Hulu, PokémonTV, and DVRs rising in use and popularity. The use of all four of those services, plus other forms of streaming and illegal viewing, decreases ratings because data from those services are not collecting for the purpose of ratings.

    And maybe you've forgotten, but there are DVD Boxed Sets, so kids don't have to wait for reruns to air, anyways, to catch up. All they need to do is go to their local movie store, buy the DVD boxed sets, then plop themselves on a couch and enjoy. Heck, they don't even need to go to their local movie store. They can just as easily order it online, maybe even stream them from Netflix. So believe me, there are plenty of ways to catch up besides waiting for reruns as you implied.
    I didn't say people were unable to watch previous episodes, I said that only a small amount of people would actually put in the effort to watch over 800 episodes.

    And BTW, Beast Wars: Transformers was geared towards kids, as was Robocop the Animated Series, yet I definitely recall that they had far better writing than Pokémon does right now. Heck, the DiC video game adaptations had much better writing and even Dragon Ball/Dragon Ball Z had much better writing than Pokémon does right now, and those were geared towards kids. I can name plenty of shows geared towards children that were far better written than Pokémon is right now. Even by children's shows, how they are doing the show is simply stupid.
    To each their own.

    And please don't use the same nihilistic claim of "differing opinions" regarding how the show is going to be run (and yes, the use of that term is indeed "nihilistic" because Nietzsche, the father of nihilism, specifically stated there weren't facts, but only perspectives), because honestly, when the ratings are sinking like a rock on both sides of the Pacific to such an extent that it's only a miracle they haven't been cancelled already, the Japanese voice actors are complaining about the quality of the show (as a couple of users have pointed out), and far too many times they are doing extremely unreasonable things (like keeping Ash 10, despite such a journey he is undergoing actually giving the necessary implication of aging), and even Takeshi Shudo specifically disliking the direction the show was undergoing by the time of AG in his blog entries, it is pretty clear the show is definitely not doing very well, even WITH their lasting as long as they did.
    That's a little extreme tbh. I will continue to use that "nihilistic" claim because it's certainly one of the reasons why the writers are hated. Look at the original post to see my point. As I've already mentioned, and has been shown in posts from this thread, people blame the writers for being incompetent because things aren't going their specific way. You can't expect the writers to fulfill the needs of every individual who watches the show.
     
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    Because the modern rating system is becoming more and more obsolete and inaccurate because of things like Netflix, Hulu, PokémonTV, and DVRs rising in use and popularity. The use of all four of those services, plus other forms of streaming and illegal viewing, decreases ratings because data from those services are not collecting for the purpose of ratings.

    Pokeani also lists the Japanese ratings on there, and they still came across as sinking, and unlike us Americans, they don't use the Nielson Ratings board (and BTW, I remember Pokeani showing AG and DP doing terribly in ratings back around 2007/2008, and that was BEFORE Netflix was available, and besides which, stuff like PokemonTV shouldn't even be a hamper on ratings anyways if NCIS's ratings boom in spite of it being streamed is anything to go by). And BTW, not even that is a good reason, either. I know NCIS has superb ratings, certainly far more than Pokémon does right now, and they actually stream the show on the CBS official site, alongside a lot of their hits, which by your argument would be a huge hamper on ratings when it clearly wasn't (and since you cited Pokémon TV, that would be the same here). When Pokémon is losing ratings despite all of those aspects (which, BTW, also calculates ratings, especially considering NCIS is a ratings hit even with most people streaming from the official site), its a bad show. Heck, I've even watched the show (NCIS, I mean, also NCIS Los Angeles, which is also a ratings boom) online twice, especially when we get into a situation where we miss the episode for some reason. Keep in mind that NCIS is an adult program, with less of a target audience than Pokémon, so if it could pull it off with 15-20 or more, Pokémon, having access for a much more accessible audience, definitely can reach NCIS's level even with the points you cited, and in fact it not even reaching NCIS's level goes to show it is indeed doing terribly in terms of ratings.

    I didn't say people were unable to watch previous episodes, I said that only a small amount of people would actually put in the effort to watch over 800 episodes.

    Considering that Boxed set DVDs are actually being sold in high numbers, I doubt that it's not even that much of an effort. Heck, my Dad has boxed sets of ST:TNG and StarGate SG1, and he's actually watched through most if not all of them.

    That's a little extreme tbh. I will continue to use that "nihilistic" claim because it's certainly one of the reasons why the writers are hated. Look at the original post to see my point. As I've already mentioned, and has been shown in posts from this thread, people blame the writers for being incompetent because things aren't going their specific way. You can't expect the writers to fulfill the needs of every individual who watches the show.

    I've seen the original post, and honestly, it's not just "fans" who have taken that position. Voice actors such as the person who voiced Meowth and Mayumi Iizuka, as some people have noted, are definitely not happy with the direction the show is going in, and going by his blogposts from before he died, even Takeshi Shudo, a showrunner for the franchise, was definitely not happy with the direction the show was going in, and wouldn't be either. And the ratings made clear most kids didn't like the direction the show is going in either, even non-fans and those actually in the target audience.
     
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    Indeed, keeping Ash 10 was a big disappointment to me. Especially after it was mentioned in previous episodes that time had passed (a year between visits to Viridian for example). Then, when Best Wishes came about, they out and out said that he was still 10 and the writers even outright admitted that they were going to keep Ash 10 for as long as the show goes on. In some cases like South Park, it makes sense, but when you are writing a character arc story, you need to show some development, but for some reason, Ash acts even more immature in BW than he did in Indigo.

    This entire character reset, why it even happened, and why the writers continue to perpetuate it is totally baffling.

    I can really sum up the reason for keeping Ash 10 with this image:

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    Pokeani also lists the Japanese ratings on there, and they still came across as sinking, and unlike us Americans, they don't use the Nielson Ratings board (and BTW, I remember Pokeani showing AG and DP doing terribly in ratings back around 2007/2008, and that was BEFORE Netflix was available, and besides which, stuff like PokemonTV shouldn't even be a hamper on ratings anyways if NCIS's ratings boom in spite of it being streamed is anything to go by). And BTW, not even that is a good reason, either. I know NCIS has superb ratings, certainly far more than Pokémon does right now, and they actually stream the show on the CBS official site, alongside a lot of their hits, which by your argument would be a huge hamper on ratings when it clearly wasn't (and since you cited Pokémon TV, that would be the same here). When Pokémon is losing ratings despite all of those aspects (which, BTW, also calculates ratings, especially considering NCIS is a ratings hit even with most people streaming from the official site), its a bad show. Heck, I've even watched the show (NCIS, I mean, also NCIS Los Angeles, which is also a ratings boom) online twice, especially when we get into a situation where we miss the episode for some reason. Keep in mind that NCIS is an adult program, with less of a target audience than Pokémon, so if it could pull it off with 15-20 or more, Pokémon, having access for a much more accessible audience, definitely can reach NCIS's level even with the points you cited, and in fact it not even reaching NCIS's level goes to show it is indeed doing terribly in terms of ratings.
    Pokémon and NCIS are two completely different shows, on two completely different channels, for two completely different audiences, with NCIS being more easily accessible for TV viewing due to not having to subscribe to a satellite service such as DirecTV and Comcast. Besides, even if the ratings are dropping, my point still stands that services do have an impact on ratings. Not only that, but it's only natural for a show as old as Pokémon to drop in ratings.

    Considering that Boxed set DVDs are actually being sold in high numbers, I doubt that it's not even that much of an effort. Heck, my Dad has boxed sets of ST:TNG and StarGate SG1, and he's actually watched through most if not all of them.
    But not everyone is like your dad.

    I've seen the original post, and honestly, it's not just "fans" who have taken that position. Voice actors such as the person who voiced Meowth and Mayumi Iizuka, as some people have noted, are definitely not happy with the direction the show is going in, and going by his blogposts from before he died, even Takeshi Shudo, a showrunner for the franchise, was definitely not happy with the direction the show was going in, and wouldn't be either. And the ratings made clear most kids didn't like the direction the show is going in either, even non-fans and those actually in the target audience.
    Does that necessarily mean the writers are incompetent? They still get the job done, whether or not it meets the different standard of all viewers and cast. The show isn't perfect, but does that mean that the writers are incompetent because the show isn't going the way that some of the cast wants it to? Perhaps, but their opinion isn't fact. For all we know there could be just as many cast members who like the direction the show is going.
     
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    Pokémon and NCIS are two completely different shows, on two completely different channels, for two completely different audiences, with NCIS being more easily accessible for TV viewing due to not having to subscribe to a satellite service such as DirecTV and Comcast. Besides, even if the ratings are dropping, my point still stands that services do have an impact on ratings. Not only that, but it's only natural for a show as old as Pokémon to drop in ratings.

    I cited the completely different audiences, and in fact even pointed out that Pokémon's audience was even more inclusive than NCIS's audience (NCIS being adults only, while Pokémon being for children). Also, NCIS has access to streaming from the official site, and in fact, people are more likely to access NCIS via the internet than even by antenna TV. I may use antenna TV instead of cable more than actually watching it online, but its clear online viewing is still very much popular, and many of the ratings actually came from the online viewings rather than just Nielsen ratings. And again, Japan's ratings doesn't use Nielsen ratings, yet they are still sinking like rocks, and the show's drop in ratings are pretty severe. I think Kanto was a 15, while AG was about a 10 at the beginning, a 7 by the end (heck, at the time, the Pike Queen episode was the lowest-rated episode of all time), 9 by the beginning of DP, and decreasing since then. Keep in mind that those are Japan's ratings, not merely the Nielsen standard for America. Considering what happened with BW, it's probably going to be even worse in ratings than before. Considering Pokémon is geared towards children, such a ratings decrease would not be possible. Even if some kids of the target demographic outgrow the show, plenty more will be there to replace them to not allow a ratings decrease. The only possible way barring the show going in a direction that most kids even those who barely even follow the show anyways deciding to not watch it at all, is if there was a huge catastrophe where most kids had died, and honestly, something like that would have been reported on the news if that were the case. Not to mention TVTokyo, the station Pokémon airs on, is not a cable channel (at least so far as I can tell), and based on the AM/FM format is closer to an antenna-based channel like CBS.

    But not everyone is like your dad.

    Nope, but the fact that DVD Boxed Sets are very popular is a huge hint that a lot of people are more similar to my dad. Otherwise, I'm extremely doubtful they would have sold many if at all.

    Does that necessarily mean the writers are incompetent? They still get the job done, whether or not it meets the different standard of all viewers and cast. The show isn't perfect, but does that mean that the writers are incompetent because the show isn't going the way that some of the cast wants it to? Perhaps, but their opinion isn't fact. For all we know there could be just as many cast members who like the direction the show is going.

    Considering the drop in ratings, the complaints made by at least one former showrunner (you know, one of the guys actually in charge of running the show) and two VAs, and various other things, yes, that does in fact mean the writers are incompetent. True, they may get some good enough ratings to continue, but then again, the Disney DTV sequels also made some money and got some decent ratings, didn't cause the company to file for bankruptcy, yet no one can deny they were mostly garbage only made for a quick money grab. It's the same thing for the show right now.

    And to address your comment when you deleted my post, I wasn't inferring that you said anything inappropriate, I was talking to CarCharOdin, since he had an image depicting someone flipping the bird showing his assessment of what the writers are saying by keeping Ash 10 years old. And the comment was in direct reply to CarCharOdin's comment which was on-topic. He heeded my advice and put spoiler tags onto the post, BTW, so don't report him.
     
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