Do you want Dawn to leave?

[Vernikova]

Hey look its a sinnoh saga fangirl. I guess you could also be called a Dawn fan tard.

So just because someone thinks Kanto is absolute trash, in retrospect it is, that makes them a fangirl? You're almost as bad as me.

 

[Polizard]

I want dawn story with ash to run along the sames lines as May get into the Grand festival lose travel with ash for another region and them leave and then we get a new girl for the next region

 

[QnX]

Don't forget about Misty ;).

Yes. I want Dawn to leave.

3 reasons:

1. I don't like her (character, style, clothes).
2. Her Piplup annoys me so much.
3. I want Misty to come back, because she is 100% better.

omg, i want Dawn to leave with some reasons..
Wish Misty come back

 

[djwlox]

get rid of dawn and bring back misty.

in fact bring back the original voices of the show. even though its been almost 4 years that doesn't matter to me. the voices now are just terrible along with the animation going downhill it seems. watch episodes from season 1 and 2 and you'll see how much better they were than they are now.

*sigh, too bad not enough people would be willing to do anything for the show to go back to how it was.

o and since they could easily bring misty back since they have the voice to do so it really shouldnt be a problem and that would be one step to restoring the show to its original glory imho.

I dont know what the show would be like without her right now but I know she'll never meet the standered of may or her mom although she has done some amazing stuff in contest before and who knows maybe after she gets cyndaquil in U.S. episodes she might be good....I doubt it though but she's just not may.May's got better pokemon and seems more focused to me!

may? really. you liked may? what year did you start watching the show because misty was the best, imo of course but i think most people could agree.

 

[Captain Hobo.]

No, I don't want Dawn to leave so is cool.

 

[Pi-Face]

Dawn's gonna leave anyways. I personally don't care.
Misty and May are never gonna be permanent members of the twerp brigade again. Dawn will be put on a bus eventually.
/shrug.
doesn't really matter

I do want Kotone to be the nest Tagalong chick. I lauf her D:
but i doubt she will ;<

hopefully the next girl will be kickass on a stick
thats all i can say

 

[Teto]

Eh, I don't really care if she stays or goes, but in a way I kinda sorta want her to stay.
I don't like how every few seasons brings a new female character who stays for a few seasons and then leaves. D:
At first, I was thinking that Kotone was going to join them after Dawn left, but I don't want that to happen now.
I want her to be like a character who keeps coming back though, cause I love Kotone. C:
But really, I think she'll leave eventually. I want Misty back, plz. ;o;
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[Vernikova]

Why are people so against switching a cast member every once in a while? It keeps the show somewhat fresh with the new personality and all so why not?

May is a great example about how this system is a good thing actually.

 

[weedle_mchairybug]

Why are people so against switching a cast member every once in a while? It keeps the show somewhat fresh with the new personality and all so why not?

May is a great example about how this system is a good thing actually.

If you really think that the system is so great, why don't you convince the writers that they should replace Ash, Brock, and Team Rocket as well, as well as replacing their replacements at the end of their generation as well?

 

[Mew~]

If you really think that the system is so great, why don't you convince the writers that they should replace Ash, Brock, and Team Rocket as well, as well as replacing their replacements at the end of their generation as well?

Its not even a system -.-" Only two girls have left so far. That doesnt mean it could happen every 4 seasons...

 

[Vernikova]

If you really think that the system is so great, why don't you convince the writers that they should replace Ash, Brock, and Team Rocket as well, as well as replacing their replacements at the end of their generation as well?

I sense some sarcasm with a dash of wit but I'll bite if nothing but to keep this discusion going.

I suppose that they want to establish Ash & Team Rocket as permanent cast members. Maybe they want to do the same thing with Brock now.

Its not even a system -.-" Only two girls have left so far. That doesnt mean it could happen every 4 seasons...

What do you expect to happen? Replace Brock and keep the old girl?

 

[kylie]

I really dislike Dawn..she's so whiny and annoying -__-
I hate it how she has no self-confidence and only complains about losing all the time.
Maybe if she were to train instead of whine she'd get somewhere ...

 

[Semidos]

What do you expect to happen? Replace Brock and keep the old girl?

Exactly! Old storyline where new female character wants to be the best coordinator is slowly getting boring. Bring back old girl Misty, relpace Brock, make something other than Contest. That's all.

 

[djwlox]

Exactly! Old storyline where new female character wants to be the best coordinator is slowly getting boring. Bring back old girl Misty, relpace Brock, make something other than Contest. That's all.

i dont think they should get rid of brock. definitely bring back misty but maybe do what they did with brock during the orange islands. replace him for a season or 2 and then bring him back. i definitely wouldn't want him gone for good.

the original cast members are and always will be the best though their voices are just terrible after 2006 :/

 

[weedle_mchairybug]

I sense some sarcasm with a dash of wit but I'll bite if nothing but to keep this discusion going.

I suppose that they want to establish Ash & Team Rocket as permanent cast members. Maybe they want to do the same thing with Brock now.

I was actually being serious with that comment. And anyways, in order to truly keep the series fresh, the writers HAVE to replace absolutely every single character, period, regardless of whether the characters are important cast members.

What do you expect to happen? Replace Brock and keep the old girl?

Well, it actually would serve as a change for once.

Man, thats pretty funny. It was probally like the playboy channel or something on demand. However, if you didnt like it, you should just turn off the tv and pay it no mind. It's not like explict material will ever be banned.

If only three people existed on the planet, I suppose it could work. However, there is approximately 6.8 billion people since at least November 2009, and if I'm the only one who did that, then that's only .000000000147058824% of the planet. In other words, nothing. As far as it never being banned, I wouldn't say that. We did ban slavery in America, and when Abolitionism was at it's peak, people did say something similar to what you said, when talking about Slavery.

No disrespect, but this picture should sum up what you just said

If people didn't care, then why does a controversy of this level even exist? A controversy simply cannot exist if absolutely no one cared.

 

[Vernikova]

I was actually being serious with that comment. And anyways, in order to truly keep the series fresh, the writers HAVE to replace absolutely every single character, period, regardless of whether the characters are important cast members.

I said somewhat fresh not truly fresh. I'd rather have a one character rotation than a no character rotation.

Well, it actually would serve as a change for once.

Not likely to happen.

Exactly! Old storyline where new female character wants to be the best coordinator is slowly getting boring. Bring back old girl Misty, relpace Brock, make something other than Contest. That's all.

1) Blame the games for inserting Pokémon Contests again as well as the animé for not making them interesting. In your opinion anyway.

2) Bring back old girl meant Dawn not Misty. They'll obviously never keep a girl from the previous generation these days it seems.

3) When the games take out Pokémon C.ontests, the animé will most likely take out Pokémon Contests.

 

[weedle_mchairybug]

I said somewhat fresh not truly fresh. I'd rather have a one character rotation than a no character rotation.

Switching girls who are going to have the same goals anyways is not making it fresh. In order for it to even be considered fresh, the new girl has to be absolutely different from the previous girl (meaning, right down to what goals they'll have. If the previous girl is a coordinator, then make the next girl a gym battler.)

Not likely to happen.

Neither was seeing Brock's mom in the main series, and look what happened. Heck, Ash getting a Gible was also considered highly unlikely. If even his getting a Gible could happen, so can this and bringing Misty back.

1) Blame the games for inserting Pokémon Contests again as well as the animé for not making them interesting. In your opinion anyway.

Technically, Pokemon Contests were started in the anime due to Princess vs. Princess.

2) Bring back old girl meant Dawn not Misty. They'll obviously never keep a girl from the previous generation these days it seems.

Uh, common sense, if Dawn is an old girl, she'd not even be on the main cast, so she can't be brought back. And anyways, seeing the sheer amount of popularity towards Misty by even those who shouldn't be old enough to even remember Misty, if we gather most if not all of them to our side, she will definitely return, make no mistake about that.

3) When the games take out Pokémon C.ontests, the animé will most likely take out Pokémon Contests.

That I can agree with, or at the very least, the main female protagonist won't have to do contests.

 

[Vernikova]

Switching girls who are going to have the same goals anyways is not making it fresh.

Their goal may be the same but that doesn't mean their character has to be.

In order for it to even be considered fresh, the new girl has to be absolutely different from the previous girl (meaning, right down to what goals they'll have. If the previous girl is a coordinator, then make the next girl a gym battler.)

No it doesn't. You can compare these grls to ink cartidges. They have the same purpose but the new cartidge will always be a fresh one with surprises like it doesn't work and other things. You know what? Comparing them to computers would be better.

Neither was seeing Brock's mom in the main series, and look what happened. Heck, Ash getting a Gible was also considered highly unlikely. If even his getting a Gible could happen, so can this and bringing Misty back.

Bringing a character back for 5 episode, less maybe, and the capture of a new Pokémon isn't the same as bringning back a character for a few years to build on. Especially if said character has already been established and given something to do other than traveling.

Technically, Pokemon Contests were started in the anime due to Princess vs. Princess.

Techincally, Pokémon Contests weren't used as a plot device for a main character to use over the span of a series until they were introduced in the games.

Uh, common sense, if Dawn is an old girl, she'd not even be on the main cast, so she can't be brought back. And anyways, seeing the sheer amount of popularity towards Misty by even those who shouldn't be old enough to even remember Misty, if we gather most if not all of them to our side, she will definitely return, make no mistake about that.

Common sense would deduce that Misty isn't the only old girl. The only reason I mentioned Dawn as an old girl is because her character is old and she'll be thrown off the show anyway. Thus being the old girl already.

Anyway, the day your plan to bring Misty back actually works, I will get on my back and lay down for you. I'll fly you to New York City and do that if your plan ever worked.

That I can agree with, or at the very least, the main female protagonist won't have to do contests.

Obviously.

 

[weedle_mchairybug]

Their goal may be the same but that doesn't mean their character has to be.

It's not just their goal, but also their personality (it may not be the same, but it is certainly far too similar.), as well as the fact that their pokemon are basically birds. I'd rather that the girls actually be like Misty (in that they aren't like those stereotypical girly girls who act like bimboes most of the time. I mean, be honest, Rebecca, but do you honestly want a character that's similar in almost every way to the girls from Two and a Half Men, Sonsaku hakufu (especially the anime version), the girls from Love Hina, the girls from Princess vs. Princess, the triplets from Beauty and the Beast, or anything like that? Even IF I never liked Misty at all and went as far as to view that she should burn in hell, if I had to choose between her and the girls listed above, I'd rather have Misty be on the show.

No it doesn't. You can compare these grls to ink cartidges. They have the same purpose but the new cartidge will always be a fresh one with surprises like it doesn't work and other things. You know what? Comparing them to computers would be better.

Fine, computers then, although replacing them is still pointless if you aren't going to replace the others anyways. I feel that women should not be treated as nothing more than sex objects (and going by Masamitsu Hidaka's statements, even though I don't trust him, I did see that this was the reason long before he confirmed it, that's pretty much what the current treatment with girls is.).

Bringing a character back for 5 episode, less maybe, and the capture of a new Pokémon isn't the same as bringning back a character for a few years to build on. Especially if said character has already been established and given something to do other than traveling.

Maybe not exactly, but the part about it being an extremely unlikely occurance would certainly be similar enough. And anyways, Misty was already established, and given something to do other than travel (Misty's goal was to become a Water Pokemon Master, something she cannot accomplish if she isn't traveling, and plus, she's already gotten episodes that focus on her and her goal.)

Common sense would deduce that Misty isn't the only old girl. The only reason I mentioned Dawn as an old girl is because her character is old and she'll be thrown off the show anyway. Thus being the old girl already.

Anyway, the day your plan to bring Misty back actually works, I will get on my back and lay down for you. I'll fly you to New York City and do that if your plan ever worked.

Ehh... what did you mean by that? I mean, I'm heterosexual, but I'd rather wait until marriage before I do that..., if that's what I think you're implying.

 

[DonRoyale]

It's not just their goal, but also their personality (it may not be the same, but it is certainly far too similar.), as well as the fact that their pokemon are basically birds.

Two of their Pokemon are birds? Different bird species, different types, with different and completely polar opposite fanbases. (Whereas everyone thinks Torchic was absolutely badass - which it was, ESPECIALLY as a Combusken, Piplup is just annoying, overused, a camera hog, and a complete Wesley.) This comparison makes it look like you're digging for something to tie the two together. Yes, they're similar; stupid, inexperienced Co-Ordinators, poor role models for young women in society (omg kids, wear 3-inch skirts at 10! You'll be popular!), and have the most ridiculously perverted male fanbases ever, but just because Misty's a better character and a better role model doesn't mean they can't just make another character who people gravitate towards like Misty. It's not impossible. We don't need Misty back; that's not even what this topic is about, keep in mind. Frankly, I'd be happy with May back as long as Dawn wasn't there; at least May cleaned up her act and became a tolerable character in the tailend of Hoenn and subsequently the Battle Frontier; Dawn has probably lost more Contests in one region than May has in both the regions we saw her compete in COMBINED and she shows no signs of growth or definitive character development that May showed (Oh, maybe I shouldn't be smug and overconfident...! Oh, wait, where have I seen this mentality before?). I just want her gone. Misty being back would be great, but honestly, it's highly unlikely. Her replacement could be better than Misty (God forbid I convince you or anyone of this); hell, just be better than Dawn.

I'd rather that the girls actually be like Misty (in that they aren't like those stereotypical girly girls who act like bimboes most of the time. I mean, be honest, Rebecca, but do you honestly want a character that's similar in almost every way to the girls from Two and a Half Men, Sonsaku hakufu (especially the anime version), the girls from Love Hina, the girls from Princess vs. Princess, the triplets from Beauty and the Beast, or anything like that? Even IF I never liked Misty at all and went as far as to view that she should burn in hell, if I had to choose between her and the girls listed above, I'd rather have Misty be on the show.

I honestly don't think anyone will disagree with you that, out of the three female protagonists, Misty is clearly head and shoulders above May and Dawn. The problem we have is the fact that you go to such unnecessary lengths to prove what is not just a point, but is fact, and you paint it out to be that until Misty returns (which, despite your delusions, is extremely unlikely to happen), the show is incomplete. You also back your arguments with ludicrous "evidence" that makes them extremely difficult to take seriously or even relate to the topic at hand.

Fine, computers then, although replacing them is still pointless if you aren't going to replace the others anyways.

Of course every replacement is absolutely necessary. We'll wait two years before Salamence is the new mascot of the brand and the new hero, Cinder Mustard is travelling with his friends Wator and Burna across the Rakatasanamasa region to become a Pokemon master fill the slot of the main hero until Flare Relish takes his place.

Keeping things where they are kinda works. Sorry if marketing's favorite phrase is "If it ain't broke, don't fix it" and, regardless of what anyone believes, the pitch of Pokemon isn't broken. Muddled? Maybe. Broken? Not in the least bit. A kid with an electric mouse goes to beat a bunch of scary boss figures for trinkets and goes to the big leagues only to fail. It's worked 4 times before--for 15 years, almost--and it doesn't seem to be losing steam now.

Maybe not exactly, but the part about it being an extremely unlikely occurance would certainly be similar enough. And anyways, Misty was already established, and given something to do other than travel (Misty's goal was to become a Water Pokemon Master, something she cannot accomplish if she isn't traveling, and plus, she's already gotten episodes that focus on her and her goal.)

She's also kind of a Gym Leader, who, you know, doesn't travel.

Ehh... what did you mean by that? I mean, I'm heterosexual, but I'd rather wait until marriage before I do that..., if that's what I think you're implying.

She means that if your crazy idea of a petition works, she'd do that. Frankly, I don't blame her.

There is probably already some ridiculous internet petition going to get her back on the show. I am willing to put money on the fact that it's been going for the better part of 5 years now.

To make an obscure reference to how successful petitions are, I advise you to take a look at how successful the dislike button's been on Facebook.

Spoiler:

tl;dr version = your idea of "band all of the Misty fans together and the voice of the people will get her back" is nothing but an ambitious delusion. I mean, as an avid fan of Misty I'd sign a petition, but I'd never for a minute believe my signature meant anything. Sorry to bring you back down to Earth on that one, but honestly, as much as you, me or anyone else likes her and wants her back, the reality is she isn't coming back. Why can't you just accept that? Why must you continue to argue what you believe to be definite proof that she is when your proof is nonexistent and clings on a concept that just...doesn't have any validity? :|