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Failed coup in Turkey

Arsenic

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    Elements of the Turkish Military are moving to seize power. Gunfire, Jets, tanks, and lots of soldiers reported across both Ankara and Istanbul.

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    The bridges splitting Euro and Asian side of Turkey closed by military


    [PokeCommunity.com] Failed coup in Turkey


    Supposedly shows Police officers detained by military.


    Live broadcast




    Jet flyby downtown


    Shots fired outside Interior Ministry as Police urged to defend govt


    Military helicopter reported to opened fire on reporters. State media

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    Coup said to have failed. 2.8K soldiers arrested. Over 160 dead across the board and 1.4K injured.
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    Ok so if the Military is in control, then has Erdogannbeen removed from power by them? And what's the endgame here - an election for a new PM/government, or? Something tells me it could be worse, and I'm honestly a bit alarmed, I feel that a far less secular government could be on its way in. It's unsettling either way.
     
    This is... Concerning, to say the least. It's not the coup itself that's bothering me so much as the unprecedented nature of it. Turkey's political and societal problems are worrisome overall, but I don't want to comment more on that without further reading (I'm only just branching into real-world politics as a young man).

    Does anyone have any research recommendations? I.E. some good sources?
     
    Thoriére said:
    This is... Concerning, to say the least. It's not the coup itself that's bothering me so much as the unprecedented nature of it. Turkey's political and societal problems are worrisome overall, but I don't want to comment more on that without further reading (I'm only just branching into real-world politics as a young man).

    Does anyone have any research recommendations? I.E. some good sources?
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    I like RT as they seem to just throw a lot of twitter/FB/YT videos with a general description from people actually there.

    I also use BBC since I find them a lot more trustworthy than what is available in my country.
     
    This is nightmarish news to wake up to, since I know how scary coups can be because I recall there was that one coup in Thailand years ago that ousted its sitting PM. That makes me dread that Turkey's leader will have to get ousted and elections may have to be held sooner than expected.

    Also, like Gimme said Turkey has been quite an unstable country so this is just absolutely scary, we already had a horrible terrorist attack happening in France and now this.
     
    At anyone who wants more indepth reports, I got a whole bunch of stuff on the PC Discord so hop on there.

    Its way easier for me to get twitter and other such info to you guys there!
     
    The world is a pretty crappy place recently... News like this is unsettling. Sure Turkey's never been a stable country but this feels a little out of nowhere and the sheer scale that this is happening on is just sickening. Do they really think things will be better for the country once all of this chaos has finished? For the sake of the people of Turkey I hope so, because this is a hell of a thing to have to go through for the average innocent citizen.
     
    It seems the worst is over and now the fighting has been reduced to some pockets, with Erdogan back in control and over 1,500 military personnel arrested. Now the question is whether Erdogan will take this as an excuse to continue his path towards an "elected dictatorship" or whether he'll backtrack.
     
    What I'm worried about is the message that this coup's failure will send to other countries:

    - That your tyrannical government is now too powerful and you should just accept their rule, because it's obvious you will fail.


    This makes me all the more worried about the US Presidential Election this year. Especially if Trump wins.
     
    Well, the theory should be "Democracy is designed to give you the chance to depose your Government orderly and peacefully, with no need to kill anybody along the way, so please use that method". Of course you can say that Erdogan is becoming increasingly authoritarian -which is what the army argued-, but you can hardly call it a dictatorship as long as he holds acceptably free elections and loses some from time to time. It's not that coups become any less terrible when there is no democracy, but rather they become the only solution if you aren't allowed to vote the bums out. Luckily this isn't the case yet.

    I find it scary how many people in the US think rebellions against the Government are a-okay even when the democratic system to kick them out is still up and running.
     
    i do wonder what Turkey's Erdogan plans to do to those soldiers that where arrested after the failed coup along with the rest of the soldiers who participated but where not arrested
     
    donavannj said:
    The number of people arrested in the immediate aftermath almost gives off a false flag vibe. As does the fact that they seemed to have had a list prepared of who to arrest.
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    False flag or just taking advantage of the situation? Either way it's suspicious. It could have been a case where they cast a large net and just arrested anyone who had any connection at all to whoever they supposed organized and carried out the coup attempt, but my gut tells me that this is just politics - a chance to take one's enemies down while you appear to have the high ground.
     
    Maki-Nishikino said:
    i do wonder what Turkey's Erdogan plans to do to those soldiers that where arrested after the failed coup along with the rest of the soldiers who participated but where not arrested
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    Considering the route he's going down, public execution is probably the most likely outcome.
     
    Esper said:
    False flag or just taking advantage of the situation? Either way it's suspicious. It could have been a case where they cast a large net and just arrested anyone who had any connection at all to whoever they supposed organized and carried out the coup attempt, but my gut tells me that this is just politics - a chance to take one's enemies down while you appear to have the high ground.
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    Either one reeks horrifically of an undemocratic power grab.
     
    Esper said:
    False flag or just taking advantage of the situation? Either way it's suspicious. It could have been a case where they cast a large net and just arrested anyone who had any connection at all to whoever they supposed organized and carried out the coup attempt, but my gut tells me that this is just politics - a chance to take one's enemies down while you appear to have the high ground.
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    I'm sure this is going to be one wide net indeed. I wouldn't be surprised if he removes key leaders or elements of the opposition in the military and government, and replaces them with yes-men, or individuals more friendly to him and his party. I'm sure that no one would question him with all the fear generated by the failed coup attempt. Plus, if anyone did, it would be easy enough to discredit them and justify the arrests as making Turkey safe again.
     
    Strohmian said:
    I'm sure this is going to be one wide net indeed. I wouldn't be surprised if he removes key leaders or elements of the opposition in the military and government, and replaces them with yes-men, or individuals more friendly to him and his party. I'm sure that no one would question him with all the fear generated by the failed coup attempt. Plus, if anyone did, it would be easy enough to discredit them and justify the arrests as making Turkey safe again.
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    Considering he did exactly that a few weeks ago with the Prime Minister, replacing the independent-minded Davutoglu for the loyal Yildirim so he can play "PM in the shadow" and keep the actual power in his hands, it's no surprise he wants to do the same with every official he can.
     
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