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Getting into the 7th Gen meta

Pelipper also got a stat buff and has access to 100% accurate Hurricanes on a stick with Drizzle.

Torkoal, Vanilluxe and Gigalith (the other mons who received auto weather this gen) are a bit too slow for Singles IMO, especially in OU where Charizard Y and Tyranitar are around. But Pelliper seems promising.
 
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lloebet said:
I've never met a person who chose to swap over putting an eject button on their politoed. It gets you a free swap to begin the SS assault and all things considered Pelipper wouldn't be able to hit first due to his awful speed making the U-turn obsolete if you could have just used an eject button.

And 9 times out of 10 politoed will be able to take the hit.
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Why would you run Eject Button on a Politoed ever? Leftovers or Damp Rock are much better option, seeing as Eject Button is one time use and really not that convenient. Can you back up your statements with facts, please? How can Pelipper not take hits - and what does speed have to do with it?

First of all, let's understand that you'll usually have Pelipper in on something that cannot threaten it (Heatran, Keldeo, for example, but we are not sure where those will lie in terms of tiers this format). Since the opponent cannot do anything against you, they will most likely switch out - if you U-Turn as they switch, you get a free switch into something that beats their switch-in. Eject Button doesn't work in this case because it relies on your opponent attacking you, which they aren't likely to do.

Even if they stay in and attack you, you can get a slow U-Turn out (tanking the hit, or whatever, since they cannot do anything to you) and get a free switch into whatever you want. In no case is Eject Button better than U-Turn, especially since it takes up an item slot. Let's also understand that Politoed is only 5 base speed faster than Pelipper, which, by your logic, would mean that it is also unable to take any hits (unless for some reason, 70 base speed meets some arbitrary threshold).


lloebet said:
Don't know anyone who would spend the time using rest on a drizzle setter either.


Edit: (This is getting a bit off topic from what OP wanted so I'm going to cut it.)
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As ShanWow said before, Rest is run on some Politoed because you need it alive to keep your Swift Swimmers able to sweep. In fact, Rest is essential on Smogon's Recommended Set. Though this is for last gen, not much would change theoretically (except for the fact that people will use Pelipper over Politoed).

If you don't want to go off topic, back up your statements with facts. If you post wrong information, someone will always be there to correct you.
 
Hey, so - not actively trying to dodge the weather conversation, but I have a question in the line of the OP - in the new meta, what NON STANDARD (as in it's not just an increased base power attack of the same type) Z-moves have you guys noticed actually being relevant?

I really haven't dipped more than a pinkie toe into the meta; and I'm seeing (rarely, but on occasion) things like Z-toxic spikes and crap. It doesn't even call out the extra effects, but there's things in there.

For anyone like myself who wasn't already aware - some Z-moves do things without making it obvious- like the aforementioned Z-Toxic Spikes raising your defense, I believe? Seems very niche; but I'm curious if there's anything else going on out there.

P.S. - I've already heard of Z-Conversion, that sounds neat.
 
Polar Spectrum said:
Hey, so - not actively trying to dodge the weather conversation, but I have a question in the line of the OP - in the new meta, what NON STANDARD (as in it's not just an increased base power attack of the same type) Z-moves have you guys noticed actually being relevant?

I really haven't dipped more than a pinkie toe into the meta; and I'm seeing (rarely, but on occasion) things like Z-toxic spikes and crap. It doesn't even call out the extra effects, but there's things in there.

For anyone like myself who wasn't already aware - some Z-moves do things without making it obvious- like the aforementioned Z-Toxic Spikes raising your defense, I believe? Seems very niche; but I'm curious if there's anything else going on out there.

P.S. - I've already heard of Z-Conversion, that sounds neat.
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Z-Splash boosts your Attack 3 stages though most people just run Swords Dance + Life Orb. Z-Parting Shot is pretty strong, it heals the Pokemon that switches in, in addition to lowering opponent attack stats. This allows you to heal up your sweepers and give them a weakened target to set up on. Those are the only two that come to mind besides the generic plus one stage to stat and resetting lowered stats.
 
I think exploring the z moves with special side effects instead of just focusing on one big powerful move could turn out some interesting strategies. I personally haven't used much of them yet but I think it's something worth looking into. I used z- ingrain and that's about it. Raised special def along with normal effects.
 
Holy crap Z-Splash hahahah. I may consider making a gyarados to utilize this. I'm thinking a bulkier one.

Z Parting Shot.... Isn't Pangoro the only one that gets that? Or has it been distributed more widely in seventh gen?
 
Polar Spectrum said:
Holy crap Z-Splash hahahah. I may consider making a gyarados to utilize this. I'm thinking a bulkier one.

Z Parting Shot.... Isn't Pangoro the only one that gets that? Or has it been distributed more widely in seventh gen?
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Dragon Dance for Gyarados. It needs speed.

There are a few others. Silvalley and Persian get it.
 
Frozocrone said:
Dragon Dance for Gyarados. It needs speed.

There are a few others. Silvalley and Persian get it.
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Maybe on Jumpluff then? Doing something like Z-Splash bullet seed or, well you can't do acrobatics with a z-crystal or whatever sadly. I'd love to see a jumpluff with +3 wreck shop.

And alolan persian gets parting shot; interesting. May have to consider using that ugly thing to try it out.
 
I mainly just want to use Pyukumuku with Unaware w/Recover/Soak/Gastro Acid and Toxic.

[PokeCommunity.com] Getting into the 7th Gen meta


Toxapex looks fun as do Shiinotic, Celesteela, Mimikyu and a few others.

Z moves just seem like a bit of a gimmick tbh. :/ Never liked one use junk.

Doubt i will be playing competitive this gen though cos it will be 2017 so if i use stalls people will invent <insert made up word>phobe etc to be oppressed and offended by. :((((((( However ill probs keep tabs on it slightly lol.
 
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