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How should one protest?

This is something I've seen floated around in the last couple of weeks, due to the furore over Colin Kaepernick's decision to not stand during the national anthem. Mainly because, by all accounts, it was a quiet decision afforded to him under U.S law - yet the vitriol being directed at him is honestly bemusing, if not downright saddening. But the point of the thread is this - if one wishes to promote or enact change through protest, what is the best way to do so? Be as specific or vague as you wish.
 
Loudly, publicly, consistently and peacefully.

Ultimately protest is only effective when a lot of people are seeing and hearing it and understanding your message. Ultimately though, you have to not become a nuisance to the public in any way if you can avoid it otherwise you risk alienating the people who will ultimately be enacting the change you desire.

As for the case you mentioned, I think that Colin Kaepernick chose a pretty good method and I'm disgusted at any backlash he received. Nationalism should not be so strong as to result in this mess.
 
On protesting: Hm. I find following the right channels helps. I've done so before and it forces changes better than standing around yelling, I feel. Putting forth the truth helps immensly, so speaking the truth is your best bet. If you have a secret people don't know and you bring it to light it aids you in your quest. Spouting hate and garbage facts behind a bogus ideal get you nowhere. So, speak the truth is a good bit of advice.

Legality is the ruler of change in the country I find. Individuals are smart, crowds of people are dumb. Groups of protesters are bad ideas and often tend to lead towards that 'mob mentality' you hear about (its not a made up thing, it's a real phenomenon). Protests should be self regulated and organized. Once you have a set schedule and a list of who is with you and a store front the end result is far greater than what I have seen recently. So if you are going to protest, create a schedule, a list of organizers, a goal, and a 'club'.

On to Colin Kaepernick: I feel he deserves to be raked over the coals "Oh, well I'm surprised at all the harsh backlash" well don't be. He plays for the NFL (a nonprofit organization by all accounts, so payed for by you and I), a sport which is the most popular sport in the US. Of those sports I'm sure it can be considered 'most American' (I don't know what it means but I've heard it said before). So the people as a whole are right to be upset. We drape soldiers with that flag. The flag is a symbol, not just for the country itself but for the people as well. People fight for the flag and people die for it. He can certainly sit down, yes, but to open one's mouth and spew a bunch of garbage and misinformation is not permissible in my opinion. That coupled with the fact that your main target audience is Americans I don't think a comment like that would net you any popularity contests. At best you'do possibly get 50% to agree with you, and at worst they'll sink you.

He claims the US oppresses black people. Simply not true. His actions can fuel fires for the more violent 'protesters' (see: looters and thugs), validating their volatile arguments. He is not informed, and he certainly can't expect the crowd to not maim him. When you have a figure head that people look up to it behooves one to be mindful of what you say and of which policies you adhere to and follow. I find no comment can sometimes be the best comment. As is the case here, he should have just said nothing. People have a reason to hate him now if they didn't already, and a tear down of popularity versus infamy can mean the difference between employment and termination of deals. I don't think this is the last we'll hear of this blunder.

Further more, if you really don't like America and the millions of dollars that you make playing a game funded by the very people you've condemned, feel free to leave no one's going to be in a rush to stop you.
 
Peaceful: A protest wont gain long-term support by acting violently.

Receives media attention:. A severe lack of media attention is why the protests over the North Dakota Pipeline havent been super successful, although I think they have gained some steam and construction has halted until Friday. Regardless, they would be significantly more successful with increased media attention.

Populist or nationalistic in nature: A protest has to appeal to many people. Plain and simple. You only have to appeal to people. Facts aren't as important.
 
Well, US Law doesn't protect you from being criticized for your protest (which is the case for Colin). It just protects you from being prosecuted for it.
 
Well, US Law doesn't protect you from being criticized for your protest (which is the case for Colin). It just protects you from being prosecuted for it.

The problem isn't so much with the legal side, it's with blind nationalism preventing people from acknowledging flaws in the country. This man made a point and instead of thinking "hmm, why did he feel the need to do this?" people are getting outraged over something as stupid as nationalism and pride in something beyond people's control (where you're born).
 
Don't like walls? Check out the Cliff Notes at the bottom!

No, I don't believe that's the case. People aren't mad at him for disliking the country (land), they're made at him for spitting (figuratively) on what the flag stands for and those who have died defending it and upholding the freedoms we so enjoy. Again, he's misinformed. He doesn't speak the truth and just look at it:

"I am not going to stand up to show pride in a flag for a country that oppresses black people and people of color. To me, this is bigger than football and it would be selfish on my part to look the other way. There are bodies in the street and people getting paid leave and getting away with murder", referencing a series of events that led to the "Black Lives Matter" movement and adding that he would continue to protest until he feels like "[the American flag] represents what it's supposed to represent."

Now, I've already done my shouting for the heinous Black Lives Matter chumps. Millions of Americans see them for what they are, and now we have a thread of these same people demanding segregation. It boggles the mind. He doesn't state a single shred of fact in his media vomit comment. Not a single piece of it is factual at all.

Have you ever worked with law enforcement officers before? Have you ever sat through the millions of hours of classes and courses mandated they take to avoid these confrontations? No. Nobody on the outside looking in will ever know and they're too stupid to pick up a goddamn phone and go on a ride along.

Cops lose their jobs every day over things your boss shrugs at. It's true, I've seen it. A single misplaced comment and buh-bye. It has gotten so bad that some cops are afraid to defend themselves. Some black officers even need to 'sneak' around to avoid being called a house Nigeria.

'Unarmed black male' don't give me that garbage. Look at the data. In 2013 the homicide count for personal weapons (i.e. hands and feet) totaled 687. If you're a cop (I have no clue how tall you are, but I'm 6'4" and even then trying to handle a 250lbs drunk is a mighty chore) and you have someone that is tougher than you, taller than you, outweighs you, or knows some form of martial arts the odds are not stacked in your favor.

You have no clue who that person is, what he has done, what he wants or needs. Some cops get shot in the face for simple traffic violations because a felon fears getting caught. Most shootings unfold in about 10 seconds or less. These are critical situations that mean the difference between you being fucking dead and you going home.

I have no idea why some people absolutely refuse to believe that bullet proof vests don't stop knives. Or that cops should shoot to maim and not to kill. Or why cops dont shoot the guns out of their hands or fire warning shots (see: gravity and lethal projectiles). There are always accidents. There are always uncertainties, but what do you want? What magic gizmo is available that can replace the police force? Who had the magic beans? Who are these phantom oppressors?

Guess what, there is always a choice. And as far as I can see, the majority of countries show some form of Nationalism in one form or another and by golly I've seen my fair share of Brit, Scots and Irish duke it out over who's futball team is better simply because their country hates Britain more.

Come on. People aren't blinded by this bs anymore. People saw it for what it was and it was only until another NFL player told him he should maybe think of the veterans and those that came back in a box that Colin thought "Gee, maybe I forgot that millions of Americans fought and died for this flag thing so maybe I should kneel or something".

Colin had the audacity to say the COUNTRY i.e. THE PEOPLE oppress blacks (trees can't opress people, no matter how hard they try). Jesus Christ, it's not just whites that are pissed. My friend dropped his 49ers gear off at the good will (or some other thrift store), and he's hispanic! If all the blacks in the NFL are opressed somebody forgot to take their millions away from them. It isn't that hard to see why people are pissed.


Cliff Notes:
1. Didn't acknowledge military until told. If you had kids, imagine your kid is supposed to do the dishes but never does until told. It'd piss you off too.

2. Spreading misinformation about police officers and promoting propaganda without evidence or research i.e. a tool.

3. He's a shit guard from what I hear "Not Russell Wilson bruh!" I guess that's a thing now.
 
Since peace (and logically, anti-violence) is the number-one thread running through this, well, thread: how do you guys feel about protesting that turns violent and/or turbulent? Is the blanket generalisation of 'not helpful' always correct? Does it/can it serve a purpose? For a challenge, I'm going to ask you to provide an answer not involving Black Lives Matter in the slightest, regardless of one's opinion on them.
 
Since peace (and logically, anti-violence) is the number-one thread running through this, well, thread: how do you guys feel about protesting that turns violent and/or turbulent? Is the blanket generalisation of 'not helpful' always correct? Does it/can it serve a purpose? For a challenge, I'm going to ask you to provide an answer not involving Black Lives Matter in the slightest, regardless of one's opinion on them.

A violent protest can only succeed if it involves literally overthrowing the source of power giving you a reason to protest. Otherwise ultimately you just make it easier for the opposition to spread a hate narrative and discredit you.
 
I think if your protest turns violent than no one actually needs to go the mile and discredit you. The issue lies in spreading the truth more than anything I feel. Sure, some attempt to discredit violent protests, but violent protests cease to be protests and become riots. Not hard to see why breaking and burning and looting don't get you nowhere.

Similarly overthrowing then becomes a coup or usurping, but that's just semantics.
 
The man was well within his rights not to stand and participate in the anthem. Congress shall make no law to compel a man to do such a thing.

Other people are well within their rights to disagree with him. They are right to feel how they feel about it, no matter how stupid or wrong their beliefs may or may not be.

It is sad that they directed so much vitriol to him though; and it isn't his action that empowers more violent forms of protest from less stable individuals. It's their vitriolic reactions that are polarizing people on it. Colin Kaepernick did nothing wrong. He protested quietly, and peacefully in a very American way. His choice and his reasoning were no less American than standing up and participating.

He chose a moment where he could grab attention. He made his statement to the country. Attacking him for lack of patriotism is not only a bully tactic employed by opponents of his stance but is a completely unacceptable reason to oppose him given the issue he is taking a stance on. The man is protesting violence, not simply refusing to participate for no good reason.
 
Whilst I respect his rights to protest and the manner in which did so. The topic that he choose is bunk. Or more precisely he's trying bring about creating bad policy based on bad information or at best incomplete information.
 
By educating people. Discourse is the preferred way for people to make things happen. People will join your cause because you've convinced them it is the right way, not because you were enough of a nuisance to take notice.
 
Loud, profound, and peaceful.
You have to protest in a manner that will catch people's attention, but you can't be disruptive with it. You have to be calm, you have to do something almost passive that creates such a profound and noticeable effect that people can't help but look and hear.

As in Colin's case, I feel he is perfectly justified in what he did. One of my friends told me that everyone should stand up and pledge allegiance to the american flag and should praise the anthem, but the truth is, I don't like this country. I don't like the way it is run. Maybe I'm too young to really understand it, but I know that I don't like what it is going on in this world. Ever since he told me how he felt, I have sat down during the Pledge Allegiance right in front of him.
 
It's definitely important to protest peacefully. There are quite a few things that DESERVE to be protested with passion and anger, but it will unfortunately get you no where good. The people/organization/movement you are protesting has to have as little to hold against you as possible. If you're out in the streets rioting, you're going to put WAY more attention on your actions than the actual issue you're protesting -- and that's exactly what the enemy, so to speak, wants. Protesting any way other than peaceful is a surefire way to get the most negative reaction you can receive. It's not necessarily right, but it's unfortunately how it is.

When you protest, firmly defend your right to do so. While many people are trying to take the right to kneel during the National Anthem away for the various players that have been doing so, it's not okay. In fact, it's against the very constitutional rights they so diligently fight for in any other situation that affects conservatives. You don't have to like how someone chooses to protest, but if they aren't hurting anyone, they are well within their rights and you can't get that right taken away from them just because you're a crybaby. Kneeling for the national anthem was big enough that it got the word out about WHY they were protesting, WHAT they were protesting, and THE PROBLEMS they want to change through their protest. They did not hurt anyone, they did not destroy towns, they did not promote violence. They raised awareness for a cause and they did it with an epitome of grace.
 
Im with GP, unless someone is litterally or metaphorically putting a gun on you, peace is the way.
 
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