LGBT (Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Transexual) anyone?

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Porygon-Z said:
Please lets not generalise and be prejudice towards Christians. I may be gay, but I'm also a Christian too, and not all Christians are homophobic fundamentalists.
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And as another Christian I strongly believe that the homophobic fundamentalists are in the wrong.

I'd bet money that if Jesus were here he would not approve of them.

Pushing certain verses in the Bible over others because of personal prejudices sounds a bit like it would be a sin in itself. :o
 
I was generalizing for all of humanity as being naive :D

Needless to say, while I wasn't a practictioner, I used to be a Catholic, or at least perhaps associated with it more. My being gay did not affect my beliefs (if fact my coming to terms of being gay came after my religious shift). Needless to say my beliefs are quite specific, perhaps something better for VM. :)
 
Porygon-Z said:
You know for the amount of abuse gay people get, you'd think we would be sensible enough to know how bad it feels when people mock you for who you are or what you believe in.

I believe in something you don't. So what? I can't prove there is a God, but you can't prove there isn't. Even if you do think it's silly there's no need to be rude about a persons beliefs and mock them because they are different to you.

If anything I thought gay people would be all about acceptance because they know how much it hurts not to be accepted, but apparently I was wrong.

I'm not forcing my beliefs on anyone, so why do you feel like you can force your beliefs onto me?

Mocking somebody because of their faith is no better than homophobia.
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Sorry to interject, but I just wanted to state that I strongly believe this statement and Pauuull... you should know better, Dear~~

.O. Just wanted to point that out.
 
Just to interject a completely different subject, did you all hear about same-sex weddings being allowed in Washington DC now?

The first marriage took place on Tuesday.

News like this just makes me smile and hope that the rest of the world wakes up soon, seeing as the same article I found this out in also had news of a man in Japan who married a pillow and people who have married inanimate objects.

So, women are allowed to get married to walls more than they are allowed to be married to another woman? That doesn't sound right. :/
 
Kon~ said:
Just to interject a completely different subject, did you all hear about same-sex weddings being allowed in Washington DC now?

The first marriage took place on Tuesday.

News like this just makes me smile and hope that the rest of the world wakes up soon, seeing as the same article I found this out in also had news of a man in Japan who married a pillow and people who have married inanimate objects.

So, women are allowed to get married to walls more than they are allowed to be married to another woman? That doesn't sound right. :/
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I know I'm nitpicking, but I gotta point out that same-sex weddings happen all the time. Well, not all the time, but you know what I mean. They're just not recognized by most governments as marriages.

I read an article about it yesterday on a respectable website that didn't talk about people marrying computers. Good news. I hope it doesn't get shut down somehow like what happened in San Francisco.
 
pokejungle said:
https://joemygod.blogspot.com/2010/03/fox-news-on-catholic-schools-expulsion.html

2 kids expelled from catholic school because of lesbian mothers. And quite surprisingly Bill O'Reilly is arguing that the kids shouldn't have been kicked out.

This is one of the things I have against religion, the concept of condemnation.
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So if a gay man murdered somebody, would you assume all gay men were murderers?

Just because some Christians do bad things doesn't mean all Christians do.
 
Porygon-Z said:
So if a gay man murdered somebody, would you assume all gay men were murderers?

Just because some Christians do bad things doesn't mean all Christians do.
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I think the point that is trying to be made is more that most religions have some stupid 'rules' and that a few members of said religion follow them to the extreme and ruin it for the rest of them.

Such as, recently, a muslim pharmacist refusing to serve someone the Pill because it was against her religion. I've talked to muslims who all agree that it was kinda extreme but others reading it have leapt to the conclusion that all muslims follow this.

Same goes for religious attitudes to homosexuals. Some people are extreme about it, and it is these views that most people see.
 
My comments were directed at what is actually in the Bible, not at what people are doing :D

But alas, you are right, this is not a thread about religion.
 
pokejungle said:
My comments were directed at what is actually in the Bible, not at what people are doing :D

But alas, you are right, this is not a thread about religion.
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And I doubt any of what you're thinking about is in the New testament. Which is the direct teachings of Christ... ie. Christianity.
 
*assuming the Bible was written by God through people*

More than likely, the Bible was much more liberal than it is now. It has probably been changed and warped to fit what people believed themselves in their own closed minds. I highly doubt if God did exist he'd be against homosexual acts, as they are just being human. And I highly doubt he'd be for slavery and so many things.

Regardless if the Bible was truly written by God, we all know people have changed the Bible multiple times just to fit their thoughts and beliefs.

[/end unprovable theory]
 
I've actually seen many articles stating all of the mistranslations and how a lot of (if not all) of the verses speaking of homosexuality are either referring to prostitution or just a specific time and society where things were very different than they are today. (in other words a much smaller population.)

And besides, even if they are somehow saying things against consensual homosexual relationships in all societies and time periods, there is still no excuse for the Christians to raise it above all of the other sins that are stated in the Bible as being on an equal level.

And I seriously doubt that it is actually speaking against homosexuality like all of the homophobic Christians say it is, anyway.
 
Gonna play devil's advocate here, as ironic as that adage is in this scenario. Keep in mind that this is more for the Christians present. I hope that we, as people of faith, can have an honest discussion about this.

As far as I'm concerned, the Bible is pretty clear that homosexuality is a sin, even in the New Testament. Read the verses from Romans, Corinthians, and Timothy if you don't believe me. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality_and_Christianity

Now here's the deal. It's true that Jesus' purpose was to free humanity from the burden of sin. But that doesn't mean that sin doesn't still play a role. In order to develop your relationship with God, you have to strive to become closer to Him. Sinning keeps you from doing that, and the worst thing you can do is to claim something isn't sin when it actually is. Because ultimately, if you're bound by sin that you don't even recognize as such, your spiritual life is toast.

In the end, you need to ask yourself whether you're following God's will or your own desires. Are you really practicing God's laws, or are you making exceptions for the sake of convenience or pleasure? I think that's a question that we as Christians need to ask ourselves constantly.

I'd go into this more, but I think it will be more effective for me to respond to the comments this will no doubt garner.
 
txteclipse said:
Gonna play devil's advocate here, as ironic as that adage is in this scenario. Keep in mind that this is more for the Christians present. I hope that we, as people of faith, can have an honest discussion about this.

As far as I'm concerned, the Bible is pretty clear that homosexuality is a sin, even in the New Testament. Read the verses from Romans, Corinthians, and Timothy if you don't believe me. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality_and_Christianity

Now here's the deal. It's true that Jesus' purpose was to free humanity from the burden of sin. But that doesn't mean that sin doesn't still play a role. In order to develop your relationship with God, you have to strive to become closer to Him. Sinning keeps you from doing that, and the worst thing you can do is to claim something isn't sin when it actually is. Because ultimately, if you're bound by sin that you don't even recognize as such, your spiritual life is toast.

In the end, you need to ask yourself whether you're following God's will or your own desires. Are you really practicing God's laws, or are you making exceptions for the sake of convenience or pleasure? I think that's a question that we as Christians need to ask ourselves constantly.

I'd go into this more, but I think it will be more effective for me to respond to the comments this will no doubt garner.
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Keep in mind god's extremely fickle. But, indeed, Christianity won't ever accept homossexuality, even though you can be christian and gay.
 
For what reason was it necessary for you to post something like that in a thread created for people who are the most likely to oppose your opinion?
 
Throat said:
Keep in mind god's extremely fickle. But, indeed, Christianity won't ever accept homossexuality, even though you can be christian and gay.
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I wasn't aware that God was fickle. Care to extrapolate?

Also, I never said that you can't be a Christian and gay. Let me put it this way: everyone sins. If sinning suddenly made us non-Christian, there would be a pretty small number of people going to Heaven. Like...one.

For what reason was it necessary for you to post something like that in a thread created for people who are the most likely to oppose your opinion?
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Is it so wrong that I would like to put in my two cents about my religion in a decidedly unbalanced discussion?
 
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txteclipse said:
I wasn't aware that God was fickle. Care to extrapolate?

Also, I never said that you can't be a Christian and gay. Let me put it this way: everyone sins. If sinning suddenly made us non-Christian, there would be a pretty small number of people going to Heaven. Like...one.



Is it so wrong that I would like to put in my two cents about my religion in a decidedly unbalanced discussion?
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Even though Bible isn't always changing (even though it's been edited over the history), the way people see god isn't the same of the middle ages. One can think god is clement toward homossexuality. Anyways, what you said about christianity in your post is not wrong, I suppose (I don't really know the Bible). I just find it foolish to get to attached to any christian tenet.
 
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