LGBT (Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Transexual) anyone?

[Mana1]

*climbs on the gay wagon* There seems to be a lot of us here (well judging by 33 pages)

 

[Feign]

I don't know where you got the idea that I, or anyone hates the drug adicts there are rehabilitation for them. You know what, that gave me a great idea. We should have rehabilitation for gays too. Lol jk don't shoot me. XD

And the true trollers are the ones who don't want discussion, and just talk off topic.

Those so called "turned straight" programs for Christians is an excellent form of brainwashing... I remember reading a blog done by someone who was currently in one (and updating by phone or somehow), and his cause was gaining more and more recognition. Especially after he posted the rules. Some of which were not only stupid, but limiting of freedom.

When I hear about Christians hating on gay people, I think of Carrie's mother after she learned her daughter had her first period... (Oh Stephen King...).

True trolls in fact do not take things off topic, but make the topic at hand go down the drain in an instant. Trolls want to illicit a reaction (regardless of what the troll feels about the topic).

 

[Yusshin]

If you're homosexual, you're homosexual. That's just how you are lol Turn-Straight things are ridiculous.

I don't mind homosexuals, bisexuals, etc. Transexuals are a bit disturbing, though, as are people who change their genitals or mutilate them to make them look like that of the opposite sex's.

As for gay marriage, the term "marriage" is a religious ideal that takes place between a man and a woman. I feel homosexuals should have a different term for their "marriage" and obtain the same rights. Since marriage isn't a government thing but a religious one (and religion for the most part doesn't approve of homosexuality), I find that allowing homosexual "marriages" is disrespectful to the God of the religions that do not approve of it (Christianity, Judaism, Islam, etc.)

Perhaps a new term for when two homosexuals come together to share a life, with the same rights? Then there's no discrimination against them (they're still "married" - after all, what is marriage? The union of two people for life (preferably). It's just using the term "marriage" for them, when marriage is a religious thing, that's odd) and religious fanatics are happy.

 

[Feign]

The thing is, usually words aren't suddenly "invented", they evolve. For all we know, maybe marriage might turn into homarraige (I know it's a bad example). I was looking at the etymology of the word though. One of its first RECORDED uses was around 1325, to which it was speaking of a man and women (though the word could be expanded to used of people and animals and in viticulture.

What I think will happen is that the word "marriage" will be broadened (like it sort of is right now). That is to say it will include any form of government recognized love (for lack of better words). I mean there are those Japanese folk marrying their own toys.

 

[Yusshin]

LOL I saw that; some Japanese guy married his DS girlfriend. That's just ridiculous.

Perhaps marriage would be broadened, but its intentional use is for a man and a woman to come together. A new word should be invented similar to marriage with the same meaning, only for homosexual circumstances. Same rights, same statute in law as a lawful couple, and no angry religious fanatics banging on your door < not that this happens (o-o right?), but you get the point.

When I imagine marriage, as do most people, they image man+woman. A new word needs to be invented for same-sex marriage since marriage (the actual word) is related to the church, and I can't see its definition being changed. I'm moreso for a new word.

 

[Feign]

You'd be surprised on what the power of words can do though. We might say that marriage is signified by a religion between a bond with a man and woman, but times change and we'll have to catch up (or adapt).

For example, did you know that the word "silly" used to mean "blessed"? I'd find other examples of changes over the years, but I'd have to go hunting for the book.

My favourite part is when people start saying that language should never change... And not surprisingly, it does anyway...

 

[Yusshin]

Yeah, words do change, but I think marriage would be a tough one to alter. Religious people would defy the change of the definition to "homosexual and heterosexual". I'd defy it, personally, and demand a new word that defines the same situation and grants the same rights. The terms "husband" and "wife" could still be used, though. It just signifies the relationship of the two within the couple (although "husband" and "husband" sounds weird, I don't care XD).

Hafta start thinking of a new word o-o "same-sex marriage" is all right, I guess, but I prefer to replace marriage :P

No offense to homosexuals, I don't mind them, to each their own :] just don't involve me, that's all XDDD

 

[Feign]

Lol most words are tough to change (trust me on this). Of course aside from words like: you, me, it, the etc. It is mostly nouns that do the changing, and even adjectives.

Defying word changes or preventing the recognition of one, usually doesn't work (if anything it is only slowed down), but it could eventually prevail.

With the internet as a giant driving force now for language. It's even easier for words to shift meaning.

However, it must be noted that officiated words are firstly recognized in the form of speech, than in writing... That's how it always works.

 

[Yusshin]

Yeah, I know lol

Well, we'll see what happens if it's ever brought up (in full force).

 

[Feign]

Some of these things take years, and a media giant like the US can have a certain amount of "control" on it as well.

If for example, Obama started legalizing same sex marriage, then it wouldn't take for the word to be broadened, however if things stay the way they are, than a few decades could go by too.

Of course the media isn't the only source or aid for language change.

 

[Esper]

Since marriage isn't a government thing but a religious one (and religion for the most part doesn't approve of homosexuality), I find that allowing homosexual "marriages" is disrespectful to the God of the religions that do not approve of it (Christianity, Judaism, Islam, etc.)

When two people of the same sex get married in a church that approves of same-sex marriages (yes, they exist) is that still an affront to god? After all, it's a religion that's approving it. It leaves you with a difficult choice: accept it as marriage because in this day and age we have to be accepting of others' religious beliefs OR call other people's beliefs wrong and try to stop them from expressing their religious beliefs as freely as you express yours.

Perhaps a new term for when two homosexuals come together to share a life

There already is a term: family. That's a term which should replace the word marriage for everyone, at least as far as the law is concerned.

marriage (the actual word) is related to the church, and I can't see its definition being changed.

Marriage exists in pretty much every culture on Earth that's ever existed, including those before the founding of Judaism/Christianity/Islam and in cultures which don't have monotheistic religions. The concept, rather than the word (words can be subtly but significantly different in other languages), doesn't belong to any particular group so why should one group's definition of it cancel out another's?

 

[Yusshin]

There already is a term: family. That's a term which should replace the word marriage for everyone, at least as far as the law is concerned.

^ I like this; this seems much better XD Then there won't be so much controversy!

When two people of the same sex get married in a church that approves of same-sex marriages (yes, they exist) is that still an affront to god?

If it's a same-sex marriage under the religion in which the God in question disapproves of it, but the church agrees with it, then I still see it as an affront. The churches that approve of it go against the Holy Scriptures and try to change what's been written (like the Romans did with the Bible < I find changing it wrong, regardless of modern times' influence / changes). There are probably many of that religion that disapprove of it as well. The church having approved doesn't take presidence over what's been written; they merely state that "we're okay with it here, so welcome". It doesn't change the fact that it was written to be wrong, and that most who follow the religion view it as wrong as well.

I just don't like the term "marriage" being used in these situations; I don't actually have an issue with them being together, so I guess that's a step up from what others might say about it lolsies

 

[pokejungle]

So, you want an echo room? (Warning the comparison might offend you sensitive people) If you see drug addicts on the streets of New York, and they have done nothing to you, you still get disgusted, and tell them to go away.

Thank you NarutoActor. This is exactly why I rail against Christians.

They abuse religion like prescription painkillers. In some cases said medicines are beneficial, but taken for too long @ too high of levels just makes them shells of their reasoning selves.

 

[Bianca Paragon]

btw it's worth noting that not all transgendered folk carry thru with surgical solutions or even desire to. Some of us take tittyskittles and other forms of HRT to be more physically correct ~ but surgery isn't always the end-goal.

 

[tehGDS]

Thank you NarutoActor. This is exactly why I rail against Christians.

They abuse religion like prescription painkillers. In some cases said medicines are beneficial, but taken for too long @ too high of levels just makes them shells of their reasoning selves.

Thank you, I mean they abuse the bible, Christianity is okay but peoiple who abuse it just kills me slowly... People also use this excuse to deny themselves. Also don't bash dtrug dealers! Sokme of them need money! I want them off the streets but they can't do anything, SF sucks :(

btw what's tittyskittles? heh :p

 

[Shiny]

Drug dealers are horrible, you shouldn't even attempt to defend them.

 

[tehGDS]

your right :( but the police does nothing, I know some people and I had to snitch on them, but theydidn't arrest them

 

[Aureol]

Hey, I thought this was the LGBT thread...

I'm not gay, and I'm against many things gays want, but this isn't really a place to argue about it methinks. I thought this thread was to bring gays together, so let's do everyone a favor and leave them alone.

Unless, that is wanted in here? If so, I'm sorry for barging in, and I'm running away right now: internet debates spawn the nastiest parts of me, and some of the opposing opinions are making me cringe ;)

 

[IceSage]

This is just a thread that I wanted to start to find any LGBT people.

I myself am bisexual. Kind of omnisexual, no preference, looks aren't a matter with me.

I want to find others on PC, because labels are a part of our life, even though they SUCK, it's not like we have other things to say, like if you were confronted would you go on a rant about how labels are stupid and you are who you are (even though that's truly what we wanna say, but still..) . If you're straight, I guess it doesn't matter if you wanna talk about things. I like to see other LGBT's opinions on gay marriage, and basically the rights. Or you can talk about your life? It doesn't matter.
I also want to find a trans on this site. That would make life way awesomer :)

Unless you make it a personal hobby or you're looking for some companionship... I don't believe that really discussing the matter is something people should really do. You say that labels are a part of your life, however you're reinforcing the fact that you have a label to begin with, rather than simply "being you / you are who you are" like you said.

I believe people are people, and whether someone is gay, straight, etc, really doesn't make a difference to me or alter my social interaction with them at all... Unless they feel the need to share it or make a big deal out of it. (Or they're trying to assess if I'm like-minded.)

Good luck in your curiosity to find other people who share sexual preferences that you are interested in or enjoy talking to in this thread; however in my personal opinion if you really just want to get to know people... just, get to know them. Their sexual preference or if they're a trans doesn't change who they are, who you are, or who I am.

 

[Yoruichi]

I am bisexual and haven't really told anyone but close online friends and close irl friends.