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Mafia 102 [GAMEOVER]

I dont know the miller can be any vanilla he wins with town the thing is we dont know who is miller until he is dead
 
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The miller is kinda of hard to distinguish tbh hes a bad guy in our eyes when he dies but if the mafia kills him hes a good guy.

Absol used bite everyone gets a better reading of everyone else in the second day phase and we are just going off of little vibes and suspicions but we have to vote someone of today haha

Another thing though is Kaneki is asking to be shot and for those who dont understand this the Gunsmith gives a gun to someone each day so they might shoot someone however its entirely up to them so firstly I'd like to state that Kaneki's accusation that by not lynching him and allowing him to be shot will allow us to lynch someone else is true but it has the same outcome 2 people would be killed so why not kill Kaneki and allow the guy with the gun to kill whoever he likes to kill? Its simple really one way Kaneki dies the other Kaneki has a possibility of living. And even if we got the guy with the guns promise to kill him then we would be down a villager since he'd have to expose himself to do it.

Is there any real defense to Kaneki is what I'm asking and is there any other people being found more suspicious? I mean hes literally asked so far for the cop to reveal himself and promise to waste one of his/her investigations on him and hes asked for someone with a gun to shoot him which makes them at risk to
 
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The maf already know every inno and if someone shoots me and i am miller i appear as miller.
 
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mew_nani said:
Another thing too: why do you want someone to shoot you Kaneki? You're risking the life of whoever shoots you as you risk exposing who they are. Why do you wish to do that? You end up dead so it doesn't really help you at all, and if the person shooting you is someone important it might hurt them later.

Asking to be shot is something a mafia member would probably do if cornered because they're dead at the end of the day anyway and if the shooter gets outed then it benefits the mafia more than it does us.
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Very true and strong points, Nani. (:

To be frank, whether Kaneki is a mafia or not, I'd really hope him to put on a debate rather than acting like, 'hey just effing kill me already,' because that doesn't help him or even us -- if he is an inno and he dies, in the long run it's the remaining villagers who's gonna suffer, not him!

As for foul mood, we get it we all have the bad days, but try not to bring the personal problems in here. I was feeling sad a few days ago too, but I didn't lash at the innocent people in the mafia games I'm part of. (pun not intended) ;)

I'm not sure when's Night Phase arriving, but Kaneki, please. If it's still on the Day phase after you've calmed, please put up a good debate and have a good sportsmanship. (: I can't speak out too much, because if you are a mafia and end up dying, I risk my own life. Lol Don't forget you can also let us know if you are suspecting other people, just because you are suspected doesn't mean the others are clean.
 
It's even harder to get any leads on Night 0 kills in this game than in the more elaborate games since there's no flavor text possibly giving subtle clues. I'm afraid I got nothin' substantial. :/
 
The reason im voting for Kaneki though is cause hes asked for us to reveal the cop by having him investigate Kaneki and have a possibility of revealing a gun owner all to get out of lynching. I mean would a villager ask for the possible killings of other villagers? And to be frank he said it would be stupid for them to reveal their roles in the first place yet when it benefits him its ok all very suspicious.

TheGregFactor said:
So do/can Mafia kill at night?
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Yes during the night phase the mafia will vote on which one of us to kill but we are currently in the day phase so we get a chance to perhaps kill one of them

To sum it up i wanna see some actual defense rather than "I just wanna show up as a miller" or "have me be shot dont lynch me" :/
 
What is even Kaneki's plan? Why exactly does he want to be shot as opposed to lynched... Hrmm...

"Sided with the village. The miller does not know their true identity - they see themselves as a normal villager. When investigated or lynched during the day they will be revealed as mafia. If shot dead or night killed they will appear as Miller."

Will the Miller's death only be a mafia death if they are lynched during the day, then? Being shot dead doesn't seem to benefit town...
 
Lisia said:
What is even Kaneki's plan? Why exactly does he want to be shot as opposed to lynched... Hrmm...

"Sided with the village. The miller does not know their true identity - they see themselves as a normal villager. When investigated or lynched during the day they will be revealed as mafia. If shot dead or night killed they will appear as Miller."

Will the Miller's death only be a mafia death if they are lynched during the day, then? Being shot dead doesn't seem to benefit town...
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No being shot dead just makes a miller be shown as sided with the village so idk how that would help us he says itll allow for us to lynch someone else but its still 2 deaths either way so where is the real defense? And ya the Millers death if lynched during the day will result in being shown as mafia and no one will really know if he was a miller or not.
 
Absol used bite! said:
Sun, The night phase will be in about 8 hours
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Thanks! ^_^

Dedenne1 said:
The reason im voting for Kaneki though is cause hes asked for us to reveal the cop by having him investigate Kaneki and have a possibility of revealing a gun owner all to get out of lynching. I mean would a villager ask for the possible killings of other villagers? And to be frank he said it would be stupid for them to reveal their roles in the first place yet when it benefits him its ok all very suspicious.
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Actually a villager can kill a villager if he has a gun, but remember villagers aren't aware of the players' actual roles. (:

I don't know about the benefits though. We don't have a role in this game that wins by dying.
 
Ok sorry i was with my TOS mentality and sorry for that i am already calm, my points are: I have been contributing since early game, my reasons for killing vespy is him asking us to dont linch wich is suspicious, me asking for the cop was just me being dumb and forget this happened, asking for a gunsmith kill only reveal the shooter username (at least that is what i understood) and maf knows everyone who is inno lastly I was the first to go against random lynch why would i attack vespy for having tought of the same thing as me?
 
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If anyone has a gun, don't shoot Kaneki. I don't really think that helps anyone because then we still have to lynch someone else like Dedenne1 said, who again at this point will probably still be an inno.
 
Lisia said:
What is even Kaneki's plan? Why exactly does he want to be shot as opposed to lynched... Hrmm...

"Sided with the village. The miller does not know their true identity - they see themselves as a normal villager. When investigated or lynched during the day they will be revealed as mafia. If shot dead or night killed they will appear as Miller."

Will the Miller's death only be a mafia death if they are lynched during the day, then? Being shot dead doesn't seem to benefit town...
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The only thing I can think of is that he wants to be shot that way the mafia can't use Miller as a scapegoat later. Considering that the chance of him actually being Miller is low and that he risks exposing whoever shoots him dead... there's an absurdly low chance it actually benefits us in any way as there's only one outcome that helps us: him being shot, revealed as Miller, and the person who executes him is mafia and is revealed, and more likely than not that isn't going to happen.

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Ok sorry i was with my TOS mentality and sorry for that i am already calm, my points are: I have been contributing since early game, my reasons for killing vespy is him asking us to dont linch wich is suspicious, me asking for the cop was just me being dumb and forget this happened, asking for a gunsmith kill only reveal the shooter username (at least that is what i understood) and maf knows everyone who is inno lastly I was the first to go against random lynch why would i attack vespy for having tought of the same thing as me?
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Ah I thought the guns revealed what role you were. My mistake. You still seem suspicious for asking something that would only benefit the mafia, for jumping on someone who didn't like random lynching and may or may not have made a simple mistake, and for wanting to risk the cop's life to clear your name. Unfortunately I can't really feel comfortable in changing my vote. I'm very sorry. :(
 
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Ok can i say it if i am miller I will appear as mafia and that will make you think you got maf instead of inno wich is a bog disavantage understood?
 
Sun said:
Actually a villager can kill a villager if he has a gun, but remember villagers aren't aware of the players' actual roles. (:

I don't know about the benefits though. We don't have a role in this game that wins by dying.
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Ik that and they wont know who they are killing exactly but isnt that desicison up to them? Basically thats leaving the decision up to the owner which is a game of chance in our situation :P

Ya thats the hard part i understand if hes the miller then he wants to show up as a miller but that doesnt help the villagers in any way... and why ask for the cop to reveal him/herself? Its just all suspicious sorry but thats how i see it.
 
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