Mafia Madness: Sight [Game Over]

If I was mafia, why would I willingly lynch Pie and Nimsy?
 
Ok, let's see. So, you claim to be insane and had 2 scum reads, 3 with gp. The thing is, you hid the fact you were insane, and came up with it at a rather convenient time, when the town needed a useful seer the most.
As I said yesterday, you coming up with the gp scumread made me think you were insane initially, but claiming having a scumread on one of the towniest, essentially cleared when Nimsy flipped maf, Wicked, I couldn't help but to question your alignment, which apparently noone else has done, and are simply following your leads. I honestly wonder why they're sheeping so much, except if the ones that voted already are your accomplishes. That would be Ullion and Abby. After all, you only need to lynch 1 inno to win the game, and El Heroe having setup things yesterday with his scum read, it was too easy to lead a bw today.
Have you people still forgotten that GreyBidoof was one of the most suspicious already? What changed when Ullion came in?

In case you want more evidence, let's break it to the role claims, shall we?

Confused claims : Wicked, Ullion, Nightkrow.
With Jade being confused, one of you HAS to be maf. I'm town reading Nightkrow as she seems to be IRL confused too, and I've already stated my thoughts on Wicked. That leaves only GreyUllion as the maf candidate.

Naive claims : Gunner, Abby, me.
Seeing as I am inno, that leaves Gunner and Abby. That apologizing tone in Gunner's post yesterday seemed kinda strange, but let's be honest, who would give away their alignment like that? Unless she used reverse psychology, thinking "hey, who's gonna fos me for that, I'm not that dumb!".
As I see it, I don't consider Gunner capable of successfully pulling a wifom, so I think she is inno. Abby's immediate jump to the wicked bw kinda confirms that imho.

All in all, I think the maf is El Heroe, Ullion, Abby.
So, [Kill] El fake Heroe Oscuro
 
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We are at a mylo.
I am NOT the mafia.
But really at the start of the mylo, wouldn't they just force a lynch on us...

Although it is odd that EHO is still here today? But I'm somewhat believing his innocence as he hasn't investigated every night.

[KILL]Lycanthropy
 
alexkaz61 said:
Ok, let's see. So, you claim to be insane and had 2 scum reads, 3 with gp. The thing is, you hid the fact you were insane, and came up with it at a rather convenient time, when the town needed a useful seer the most.
As I said yesterday, you coming up with the gp scumread made me think you were insane initially, but claiming having a scumread on one of the towniest, essentially cleared when Nimsy flipped maf, Wicked, I couldn't help but to question your alignment, which apparently noone else has done, and are simply following your leads. I honestly wonder why they're sheeping so much, except if the ones that voted already are your accomplishes. That would be Ullion and Abby. After all, you only need to lynch 1 inno to win the game, and El Heroe having setup things yesterday with his scum read, it was too easy to lead a bw today.
Have you people still forgotten that GreyBidoof was one of the most suspicious already? What changed when Ullion came in?

In case you want more evidence, let's break it to the role claims, shall we?

Confused claims : Wicked, Ullion, Nightkrow.
With Jade being confused, one of you HAS to be maf. I'm town reading Nightkrow as she seems to be IRL confused too, and I've already stated my thoughts on Wicked. That leaves only GreyUllion as the maf candidate.

Naive claims : Gunner, Abby, me.
Seeing as I am inno, that leaves Gunner and Abby. That apologizing tone in Gunner's post yesterday seemed kinda strange, but let's be honest, who would give away their alignment like that? Unless she used reverse psychology, thinking "hey, who's gonna fos me for that, I'm not that dumb!".
As I see it, I don't consider Gunner capable of successfully pulling a wifom, so I think she is inno. Abby's immediate jump to the wicked bw kinda confirms that imho.

All in all, I think the maf is El Heroe, Ullion, Abby.
So, [Kill] El fake Heroe Oscuro
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When did I ever hide that I was insane? Whenever I had information I displayed it outright and gave my opinions on it. You can look back at the posts to see for yourself that I didn't really know whether or not I was confused or insane because of the minimal inspections I had been able to get done, which was mainly a result from business irl (which is also why I was generally some of the last votees some nights and why I didn't always get my investigations in.)

To be perfectly blunt and honest, I didn't know about this flip read of Wicked on Nimsy because of my inactivity prior to a few nights ago. My assertion as to whether or not Wicked is Mafia is based solely on my minimal investigations and the info in my posts above. I'll have to go back and read those posts then cause ultimately I'm not very informed on the matter.

In the end because I haven't read every single post in this thread I'm just going with the investigations I've had completed (which is a total of 4: Klippy, gimme, Gunners, and Wicked.) I had been 2/2 for the people who have deceased, so I'd like to take my chances with what I've investigated. If what you said is true, then if we fuck up then the game is over. And we will fuck up and lose if we lynch me cause I am innocent.
 
El Héroe Oscuro said:
When did I ever hide that I was insane? Whenever I had information I displayed it outright and gave my opinions on it. You can look back at the posts to see for yourself that I didn't really know whether or not I was confused or insane because of the minimal inspections I had been able to get done, which was mainly a result from business irl (which is also why I was generally some of the last votees some nights and why I didn't always get my investigations in.)

To be perfectly blunt and honest, I didn't know about this flip read of Wicked on Nimsy because of my inactivity prior to a few nights ago. My assertion as to whether or not Wicked is Mafia is based solely on my minimal investigations and the info in my posts above. I'll have to go back and read those posts then cause ultimately I'm not very informed on the matter.

In the end because I haven't read every single post in this thread I'm just going with the investigations I've had completed (which is a total of 4: Klippy, gimme, Gunners, and Wicked.) I had been 2/2 for the people who have deceased, so I'd like to take my chances with what I've investigated. If what you said is true, then if we fuck up then the game is over. And we will fuck up and lose if we lynch me cause I am innocent.
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I am not accusing you of not knowing what kind of seer you are. I'm accusing you for lying. And if you're playing dumb... You're rather bad at it I'd say.

Especially when Superjolt, who obviously invested a lot of time in this game (much more than any of us), said he considers Wicked and Gunner the most townish, alongside you, and thinking GreyBidoof (now Ullion) and Abby, alongside me, as scum, it's only natural that only you, out of all the mafias, would try to claim a useful role, as Superjolt's death essentially made you look town and the rest scum.

The unfortunate thing is that your accomplishes were in his scum list, so you are forced to say you had a scum read on townies. I admit that setting up things yesterday was brilliant and subconsciously made town think you're indeed insane.

As for me, Super suggested that I be the last person out of his list lynched, and for good reason, he couldn't find the last mafia. But here you are, making your final move towards winning the game.
 
@Alex, I don't know what happened before I came in - all I know is what Lycan PM'd me from prior results. Of which, one night was missed, and two consecutive nights were spent investigating Nakuzami and both results came up conflicting with each other. I know for a fact I am confused. As a result, if you say either Abby, wicked or I are lying - then I know it's one of those two. Since another player has claimed suspect on wicked as well - I may as well follow through with it. From my perspective, I'm making the right call. Unless you're maf and are trying to defend Abby? <- I'm only saying this line because I don't know what you have claimed to be nor do I know if you have ever been confirmed or not. o.O
 
El Héroe Oscuro said:
Admittedly, I actually forgot to send in my investigation for the previous night. I did Klippy the first time and I had gotten innocent, but that ultimately doesn't tell anything just yet cause I don't have enough evidence to figure out which one I am.
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That was on day 4, which means you should have 4 reads by then, but you said you only had a read on Klippy.


Absol used bite! said:
I think you should post the list, mafia usually work more vigilantly than the town
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I also found this gem while looking back. Out of all people, only Abby asked Jade to share his spreadsheet.
 
[KILL] El Heroe Oscuro

Sorry but if you think I'm maf, you have to explain why I was fosing Nimsy so hard before everyone else and I was right about it. Makes you look extremely suspicious.
 
Ullion said:
Okay can someone please tell me who all has claimed Confused? And are there only 3 people for each type of Seer? Has anyone died that is a known Confused Seer?
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Confused claims : Wicked, Ullion, Nightkrow.
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I said this earlier, as well as my reads on you. If the seers were divided equally, yeah there should be 3 of each. However, I can see Lycan including less of the useful ones.
Given that Jade and Desi were confused, there ought to be at least one of you faking confused. Maybe two, if there really is 3 of each.

I really hope you're not playing dumb there Kyle. Cuz I said that a couple of posts above, how could you miss it.
 
All I saw was you saying that Wicked, Abby and I had claimed confused. I looked back up and realized you said Nightkrow instead of Abby, my bad. Is it confirmed that both JaDe and Desi were confused? Or just one of the two? Or just speculated?

Furthermore, I'm not playing dumb, Alex. I just saw you referring to Abby a few times in your last few posts and I instinctively assumed Abby was the 3rd person that had claimed confused (third amongst wicked and myself, I mean).

Not entirely sure what I can do other than offer you the fact that I am Confused, and if there are only 3 confused people in total - than either one or both of Wicked/Nightkrow are maf. Confused is the easiest of the roles to claim, of course. :/
 
Yeah, I thought about this long and hard, and personally, I don't think Matt is actually insane, but mafia.

Consider this, he probably used reverse psychology to claim he forgot to send the votes, so that he would look town. He bussed GP, so that he would have "2 confirmed votes", and because of it, he could control the votes.

[kill] El Heroe Oscuro
 
Ullion said:
All I saw was you saying that Wicked, Abby and I had claimed confused. I looked back up and realized you said Nightkrow instead of Abby, my bad. Is it confirmed that both JaDe and Desi were confused? Or just one of the two? Or just speculated?
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Desi's reads were
Bard maf
Jd (I think) inno
Aeternum maf

So he was 100% confused in everyone's eyes.

Jade's reads were
Alex(me) inno
Jd maf
Nimsy inno

So he was 100% confused in my eyes only.
 
Well, idk if it matters or not to anyone, but if you want my full list of NA targets and results:


Reports
Night 0: Grey Bidoof got Ullion as innocent.
Night 1: Grey Bidoof got Nakuzami as mafia.
N2: Grey Bidoof got Nakuzami as innocent.
N3: Grey Bidoof did not submit an action in?
N4: Grey Bidoof got gimmepie as innocent
N5: I got gimmepie as mafia.
N6: I got EHO as innocent.
 
Once again I'm going to be prematurely killed off in a Mafia game lol :P Gunners would know based on past games with her that I tell the truth when it comes to Mafia and that I am generally a very busy person. Wicked and alek, I'm heading to work now so I'm most likely not going to be able to explain myself by the time night phase rolls around. So I suppose you win this round Mr. Mafia (I.e Wicked.)

Do what y'all want. My argument is there on the table. Once y'all kill me and see me burning in Hell, I'll have some comfy seats next to me with your names on them as each Mafia member picks you off one by one for your ignoramous mistake in killing an innocent person. >:)

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So I went and looked at what you posted about JaDe's and Desi's results and I have come to 2 possible outcomes (depending on whether you are maf or inno):

1. If you are innocent, then JaDe was confused (Desi is confused in both scenarios) meaning only 1 confused person is left alive. I know I'm confused - and if both wicked3ds and Nightkrow are still claiming confused, then they are both mafia. (Unless there are actually 4 confused seers in total, in which case both scenarios are off)

2. If you are mafia, then JaDe is insane seer (whichever term is used for getting inverted results). This means you are mafia (obviously) and that there are 2 confused Seers left. Again, I know I'm 1 of them - so that leaves either Wicked or Nightkrow as mafia.

So regardless of whether you are mafia or not (thus depending on JaDe's typing) Nightkrow and Wicked should both be considered for being mafia. Is EHO another of the mafia? Possibly, I have no idea. Tbh I'd like to know all of EHO's results from his reports as well as yours (@Alex). I know earlier today EHO mentioned 2 of his results being on the mark, right? Well we could at least see the rest of his actions as well. Does this seem reasonable?

edit: Now that I think of it, BOTH Nightkrow AND Wicked are voting for EHO. And i know for a fact at least one of them are mafia, possibly both. This alone leads me to believe EHO is innocent. Which further leads me to believe him about accusing Wicked. ALL INNOCENTS LOOK AT THIS POST. IF YOU ARE INNOCENT LYNCH WICKED.

Additional note: If Nightkrow is also mafia, then this would actually prove scenario number 2 is the actual case - meaning Alex is also mafia. That or someone has been lying at some point in time. This additional note is irrelevant though until after Wicked is taken care of. :)

Additional Notex2: I am not accusing you of being mafia yet, Alex. But a good way to prove your innocence would be to vote for Wicked right now - or give me a legitimate reason why my deduction is incorrect and why I should change my vote.

alexkaz61 said:
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Let's see, my first two reads were Jade as inno and Nimsy as inno. From that point onward, I knew I was either naive or confused. From that point on, I pretty much didn't care much. Next I had another inno read on GreyBidoof. That was the last i mentioned my reads cuz there was no point in keeping outing them. My last two were on Abby and El Heroe last night. All innos.

Btw, do you really think I would just out Jade's results if I had something to hide?
My mind is pretty set atm, on you 3 being the remaining mafia members, so I see this as a last resort analysis, hoping to sway one of the innos. I have said in another game that I can get pretty stubborn at times, and this is one of them, unfortunately. My gut was right last time, so I'm gonna trust it once more.
 
When you say "you 3 being the remaining mafia" do you mean EHO, myself and... who exactly?

So what you're saying is you'll stick to being "stubborn" because you think it'll come out right over legitimate analysis? I'll let you know right now, that if you're innocent and you're actually basing your vote off the concept of thinking you're right when you're stubborn over someone's factual analysis... I hope we both lose, because you're simply shooting yourself in the foot. o.O

Reread what I posted, take into consideration whether I am innocent or mafia. If you're telling the truth about mafia - and you believe me for being innocent (which I know you have trouble with for whatever reason, despite that 2 confirmed inno's have believed me so far re: Bard and Superjolt) - then it is absolutely confirmed that both Nightkrow and Wicked3DS are mafia. If you don't believe me (and you are innocent), then whether I am mafia or not - at least 1 of those 2 HAVE to be mafia.

Ontop of that EHO's results come back having proof against Wicked3DS. Yet you seem to be going with Wicked's alibi that he lynched a teammate the previous day? Do you know how often mafia can throw teammates under the bus just for an excuse at a time like this? zzz
 
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