Man claims he will burn Koran in lieu of 9/11

[Rogue planet]

I assume he was doing it to protest that mosque being built on the ground zero site. But the media doesn't make it clear. If that was the case, then what would he have gained by peacefully trying to request they move the site? Absolutely nothing. He retaliated in the only way that would have drawn attention, and now if they actually do move the location of this proposed mosque then he's got what he was protesting for. He's aimed to do something to fight for what he believes in, and he got it. Can't fault him for that.

If, it wasn't in protest of this mosque, and it was just blind hate. Then I agree with you, it does make him just as bad. Hardly worth getting all riled up though.

"Do unto others as you would have do to you", seems to be bitterly ironic now.

I was merely pointing out a fact. I didn't claim that his actions were justified just because Muslims have done the same thing before with the bible; and of course, that doesn't justify it.

 

[Livewire]

He's aimed to do something to fight for what he believes in, and he got it. Can't fault him for that.

So you can't fault him for propagating hatred, ignorance and more violence? What happpens when the Taliban steps up its attacks in Afghanistan because of this? He'll have American blood on his hands, I hope that bastard is proud of himself now.

 

[Magmarizer]

So you can't fault him for propagating hatred, ignorance and more violence? What happpens when the Taliban steps up its attacks in Afghanistan because of this? He'll have American blood on his hands, I hope that bastard is proud of himself now.

Well he just decided not to do it anyway :)

 

[Rogue planet]

So you can't fault him for propagating hatred, ignorance and more violence? What happpens when the Taliban steps up its attacks in Afghanistan because of this? He'll have American blood on his hands, I hope that bastard is proud of himself now.

I think these claims that his actions will bring death to American troops are BS. Do they really think the Taliban are not already trying their best to kill Americans? They aren't all sitting around at home with their AK-47s next to their armchair listening to the radio, then thinking "Oh, someone in America is burning the Kuran, better go kill some more Americans."
The Taliban are already out there fighting as hard as they can, they're not giving it 50%, they're at war, they are giving it 100% all of the time.

 

[MrsNorrington]

I think these claims that his actions will bring death to American troops are BS. Do they really think the Taliban are not already trying their best to kill Americans? They aren't all sitting around at home with their AK-47s next to their armchair listening to the radio, then thinking "Oh, someone in America is burning the Kuran, better go kill some more Americans."
The Taliban are already out there fighting as hard as they can, they're not giving it 50%, they're at war, they are giving it 100% all of the time.

Well further motivation and justification can't be a good thing.

 

[Rogue planet]

Well further motivation and justification can't be a good thing.

Burning a book does not justify murder.
Extremists already have plenty of hate and propaganda against America and anyone who's mad enough to think it's okay to kill people over such things will already be supporting the extremists.
Anyone who's sane enough to not want to join the extremists is sane enough to realise that a book burning isn't worth killing people over. So I doubt they will get many "conversions" just because of this event.
It's just another minor thing added on top of the mountain of hate against America.

 

[Livewire]

I think these claims that his actions will bring death to American troops are BS. Do they really think the Taliban are not already trying their best to kill Americans? They aren't all sitting around at home with their AK-47s next to their armchair listening to the radio, then thinking "Oh, someone in America is burning the Kuran, better go kill some more Americans."
The Taliban are already out there fighting as hard as they can, they're not giving it 50%, they're at war, they are giving it 100% all of the time.

You're contradicting yourself. Yes, they will retaliate to the Qur'an burnings with larger, more aggressive attacks. It will swing more people over to thier cause and create more terrorists to fill up thier ranks. So, more terrorists, more attacks. And you cant apply a percentage to warfare, there is no cap or limit on what people are willing to do to each other in conflict.

 

[Rogue planet]

You're contradicting yourself. Yes, they will retaliate to the Qur'an burnings with larger, more aggressive attacks. It will swing more people over to thier cause and create more terrorists to fill up thier ranks. So, more terrorists, more attacks. And you cant apply a percentage to warfare, there is no cap or limit on what people are willing to do to each other in conflict.

Please point out where I made a contradiction.

Do you think that if someone was willing to join the extremists then they wouldn't have already done so? People don't sit on the fence when it comes to things like this, they either do or do not support extremism. They don't sit on the fence and then get tipped over to supporting the extremists just because one man decided to burn the Kuran. People act as if this one action will suddenly make hundreds of terrorists appear out of nowhere.

"Yes they will retaliate with larger attacks" this is just an assumption you cannot claim for certainity that this will happen. There are American troops sitting in the Taliban's own country, I don't think the Taliban just lounge around waiting for such a minor event to happen before they go about killing their enemy.

I don't see how there's anything invalid about saying that they're already giving 100% effort.

 

[Livewire]

Please point out where I made a contradiction.

Do you think that if someone was willing to join the extremists then they wouldn't have already done so? People don't sit on the fence when it comes to things like this, they either do or do not support extremism. They don't sit on the fence and then get tipped over to supporting the extremists just because one man decided to burn the Kuran. People act as if this one action will suddenly make hundreds of terrorists appear out of nowhere.

"Yes they will retaliate with larger attacks" this is just an assumption you cannot claim for certainity that this will happen. There are American troops sitting in the Taliban's own country, I don't think the Taliban just lounge around waiting for such a minor event to happen before they go about killing their enemy.

I don't see how there's anything invalid about saying that they're already giving 100% effort.

1. Its Qur'an, not koran

2. You're opposing the burning of a bible yet you condone the burning of the Qur'an in the same situation. Had the shoe been on the other foot, if bibles were being burnt you'd be out for blood.

3. You obviously don't get what warfare is. Escalation. Did you ever happen to notice that certain months for our soldiers were bloodier than others? The Taliban can strike multiple times a day, or not strike for weeks. You're ignoring the tactical aspect of it. That basically kills the argument they're already tapped out. There is no finite point to it- it intensifies and grows the longer it lasts and the more people it effects. saying they're fighting 100% means they cant do anything else, when they can obviously can. They could use chemical or biological weapons, they can step up violence and make more attacks, there is no end. It will spiral out of control until everybody is dead.

4. Burning a Holy book, which is revered by millions, will increase hostilities. People can only take so much abuse before they snap and cant take it anymore.

 

[Rogue planet]

1. Its Qur'an, not koran

2. You're opposing the burning of a bible yet you condone the burning of the Qur'an in the same situation. Had the shoe been on the other foot, if bibles were being burnt you'd be out for blood.

3. You obviously don't get what warfare is. Escalation. Did you ever happen to notice that certain months for our soldiers were bloodier than others? The Taliban can strike multiple times a day, or not strike for weeks. You're ignoring the tactical aspect of it. That basically kills the argument they're already tapped out. There is no finite point to it- it intensifies and grows the longer it lasts and the more people it effects. saying they're fighting 100% means they cant do anything else, when they can obviously can. They could use chemical or biological weapons, they can step up violence and make more attacks, there is no end. It will spiral out of control until everybody is dead.

4. Burning a Holy book, which is revered by millions, will increase hostilities. People can only take so much abuse before they snap and cant take it anymore.

The Qur'an, also sometimes transliterated as Quran, Kuran, Koran, Qur'ān, Coran or al-Qur'ān.

I know how it's spelt, thank you.
Please point out where I condoned bible burning. No, I would not be out for blood if bibles were being burned, as I am not a Christian.

If they had biological weapons I think they would have already used them.

Did you ever happen to notice that certain months for our soldiers were bloodier than others

Obviously. How is this connected to a book burning...?
If there were a few attacks in the next week, no doubt you (and the media) would say it was because of this book burning (or threat of book burning, seeing as it's apparently not going to happen now) the said attacks could have been planned months ago, but nobody would know. You're just making assumptions and blind claims.

I think the Muslim extremists snapped a long time ago.

 

[pmwilkins]

Most people burn bibles out of revolt over the oppression of Christianity. The Qur' an or Koran, or however you guys want to spell it; it is out of ignorance and hate. I'd burn a bible in a second because I have some beef with Christianity, but I have no beef with Islam. Just how I feel.

 

[Livewire]

I know how it's spelt, thank you.
Please point out where I condoned bible burning. No, I would not be out for blood if bibles were being burned, as I am not a Christian.

If they had biological weapons I think they would have already used them. Obviously. How is this connected to a book burning...?
If there were a few attacks in the next week, no doubt you (and the media) would say it was because of this book burning (or threat of book burning, seeing as it's apparently not going to happen now) the said attacks could have been planned months ago, but nobody would know. You're just making assumptions and blind claims.

I think the Muslim extremists snapped a long time ago.

The fact that the movements of the Taliban ebb and flow disproves your point that they're going all out, all the time. You're missing the strategy behind the insurgency. Also, if you look at the casualty rate by month, you will see that the spikes in casualties coincide with American movements in the region or related incidents- the surge in 2007 , the Abu Ghraib Incident, the holding of free elections in Iraq, etc.

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Sorry but are you heavily retarded? How can you assume one man burning a book will increase hostalities in Afghanistan? I have a lot of friends serving over there, and I know for a fact that the Taliban are already stretched, already low on equipment and already losing influence, burning that book isn't going to change this.



Yes because builidng a mosque near ground zero and sh!tting on the memory of the 3000+ civilians who died that day at the hands of Muslim extrmists after already sacrificing so many of our civil liberties to appease Muslim extremists isn't too much abuse but burning a book is.

And before Went, or Morkula or whichever e-bwadman storms in here to infract me, I only came back to reply to this mind numbing tool. You can ban me for all i care after this. (then discuss it like true warriors in your private rooms)

If they're heavily streched out, then why hasnt the job been finished yet, hmm? we have the miliatry power to obliderate al-queida. So why are they still fighting?

Sticks and stones, love. Call me what you want

 

[Fox♠]

The fact that the movements of the Taliban ebb and flow disproves your point that they're going all out, all the time. You're missing the strategy behind the insurgency. Also, if you look at the casualty rate by month, you will see that the spikes in casualties coincide with American movements in the region or related incidents- the surge in 2007 , the Abu Ghraib Incident, the holding of free elections in Iraq, etc.

Enjoy-

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If they're heavily streched out, then why hasnt the job been finished yet, hmm? we have the miliatry power to obliderate al-queida. So why are they still fighting?

Sticks and stones, love. Call me what you want

One of those graphs mentions nothing about the Taliban, Iraqi army or any other insurgant group or conflict, it doesn't even have a year on it. The other one is from Iraq which had next to nothing to do with religion or 9/11, and the bulk of the bombs found were IEDs that could of been planted at any time. I also like how you tip toed around my other points, care to elaborate how building a mosque on ground zero isn't too far but burning a book is? let's not forget how many things muslim fanatics have burned over the past 20 years including but noit limited to bibles, flags, effigies, more bibles, other people etc

"why hasnt the job being finished yet derp derp" You do realise that if we pulled out now Afghanistan would have an under trained, under equiped military, no real police force and no real protection from what's left of the Taliban. And fyi we are pulling out because the main part of the job is done. Britian is expected to of fully pulled out by 2012/2013 and America by 2014. Coalition deaths from firefights have dropped significantly in the past 6 months and the few that have died have almost all being at the hands of IEDs which are nothing more than a last chance saloon effort by the Taliban as they're now too stretched to enter sustained firefights.

 

[Rogue planet]

When I say they're going all out, I don't mean they're attacking constantly. I mean they are giving 100% effort. Warfare is not simply about relentless attacking.

the spikes in casualties coincide with American movements in the region

These are poorly equipped terrorists we are talking about, they aren't going to make a full frontal attack on enemy bases. They make attacks while troops are moving from one area to another, thus more vulnerable, unfamiliar with the area, open to surprise attacks, etc.
Your first chart lacks a year.
They are likely to make plans to make an attack leading up to a major political event, attacks that would likely happen at some point anyway they just prefer to expend their resources on these dates because it makes more of an impact. It's hardly comparable to an apparent sudden rise in spontaneous attacks due to a book burning.

 

[Surmonter]

Bible burnings. Koran burnings. Whatever. It's stupid. This person is stupid. That's all I have to say.

 

[Fox♠]

I'd also like to highlight that you seem to know nothing about guerilla tactics, of course they attack during political events, troop mobilsation, it's the only time they can make even a small impact

 

[Livewire]

One of those graphs mentions nothing about the Taliban, Iraqi army or any other insurgant group or conflict, it doesn't even have a year on it. The other one is from Iraq which had next to nothing to do with religion or 9/11, and the bulk of the bombs found were IEDs that could of been planted at any time. I also like how you tip toed around my other points, care to elaborate how building a mosque on ground zero isn't too far but burning a book is? let's not forget how many things muslim fanatics have burned over the past 20 years including but noit limited to bibles, flags, effigies, more bibles, other people etc

That's because building a mosque near Ground Zero, is a right protected by the Constitution of the United States of America, (see the Establishment Clause and the First Amendment) the constitution that for 234 years, our servicemen and women have died to defend. Disrespecting the law of the land, made free by the blood of our armed forces, that's what would really be spitting on their memory.

Uhh the charts show terrorist attacks by month, its not that hard to understand. And Iraq has plenty to do with it, as terrorists are killing American soldiers there too.

I'd also like to highlight that you seem to know nothing about guerilla tactics, of course they attack during political events, troop mobilsation, it's the only time they can make even a small impact

Well no kidding, their an insurgent terrorist group. That's when they're going to attack. They also attack in response to when we make moves. attacks spiked after Abu Ghraib, and after the Blackwater murders.

 

[Jolene]

Hmmm I don't really see the point of burning Qu'rans. Are they trying to make Allah upset? If people want to burn Qu'rans they should just do it in their own home where nobody can see. That way they can still make Allah sad or whatever it is they are trying to do but no Muslims will be offended because they won't know about it.

I dunno personally I don't believe in any god but I can understand why people would be upset about this because it is not respecting their beliefs.

 

[Soari]

D: why don't people get through their heads that 9/11 has nothing to do with Islam? I just hate people who associate Islam with terrorism and violence. Still there is a controversy going on which is making me sick. =\


And I can't think of anything good to say about this idiotic Pastor who probably doesn't know that he is digging his way to hell. It's a disgraceful, destructive and provocative act to do which would defiantly piss off the Muslims as it's a sacred book to us. I don't understand how anyone who is a Christian can intend to do such a disgustful act and how can Americans accepts this moron as a Pastor? this is absurd. He will pay for his actions if he goes ahead with his idiotic thinking in future. Doesn't the Bible say that ''love your enemies?'' This act is a perception of hatred, ignorance and violence that contradicts everything that their god has taught. It is just wrong to desecrate religious books whether it's the Quran, the Bible, the Torah, the Zaboor etc and you are committing a UTER-SIN if you burn any of the Holy books of any religion.

Well, I am glad he has cancelled his controversial Quran burning event and about the community center, it's not yet decided whether the community center should be build two blocks away from the ground zero or some other place. Let's hope that the CC gets built somewhere else.

 

[Lunacrest]

I think it's extremely disrespectful of him to do that. The Koran doesn't teach violence and most Muslims aren't terrorists. Burning it just proves that he is ignorant of true Muslim teachings and true Muslim followers.

I agree with him. I'm a Muslim after all, and the Qu'ran (yes that's how your properly spell it) doesn't teach violence, it just needs to be read. That man seems to not care of how precious the Quran is to our people