5th Gen New Types?

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Waffle-San said:
And sound? Really? Think about it please. How do you categorize that? Every Pokemon that can make a noise (All of them) can make sound. It could maybe possibly work for a move but that's what we have normal for, to categorize the few things that can be seen as exceptions to other types or things that are just plain normal like sound.
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Well, Coolyboyman did it. And he won Hack of the Year for it, too.
 
I agree with the waffle loving dude. More types would just throw a wrench in things. I feel the game is balanced as is.
 
colcolstyles said:
Well, Coolyboyman did it. And he won Hack of the Year for it, too.
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He also added Wood (Grass...), Gas (Posion...), Abnormal (not really a type it's a classification in my opinion) and Wind (Flying though Flying is inupropriately named in my opinion).

And based on his post he won it because of the fact he created something more than just a hack of another game and he had something to sepperate him from his opponents. I haven't played his hack so I don't know how he incorporated it but in the Pokemon that I know I see absolutely no need for it.
 
Pityflame said:
People who think steel types are unbalanced/overpowered has never used a steel type.
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This. ^

The majority of steel types can be found in the UU tier of competitive battling, which goes to show just how 'overpowered' they are considered by those outside of the single-player game.
 
I like the Idea of a light type but it's true that there is little reason for this other than to make the type capable to slay those pesky dragons... Yeah light slays dragon makes sense since most dragons in western legends live in caves... and should be weak against the light when you think about it... much like bats are...
 
Well, "sound" could be classified better as "Sonic" type, but that would sound like copyright infringement. As Colcolstyles said,

Well, Coolyboyman did it. And he won Hack of the Year for it, too.
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Coolboyman gave me the idea, and I started thinking about how it could be a really interesting "abstract" type to throw in that could be whatever you wanted it to be.

As for Light type, I still stand behind it. Dark needs a parallel, because with its super-effectiveness against Ghost and its immunity to Psychic, it is really strong. The only reason it's not superpowered is because there are so few pure Dark types. Now, people are thinking of "Light" as in physical light, but maybe it would be helpful to throw in a distinguishing factor. The Japanese for "Dark" is "aku" (あく - 悪), which means "evil" when translated. I am thinking of light as a Nintendo-censorship-standards-safe way of saying "holy", which in Japanese is "Sei" (せい - 聖). That should help to distinguish it from Fire, Electric, and Psychic in peoples' minds.

The type chart could be as follows:
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Could non-haters check that out and see if you spot any imbalances? :)

There are only a few pokemon which I could see being re-typed as Light-types:
Blissey (and possibly Chancey)
Mawile (to make it an appropriate parallel to Sabeleye)

Hopefully that helps clarify why some of us want Light type.
 
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Dark is not superpowered. It's checked by all sorts of things; you only mentioned it's strengths, which also happen to be its only ones. Sure, it has pretty good neutral coverage but that's about it. Dark doesn't need a parallel, especially when you consider why it was in there in the first place... to combat Psychic superiority, right?

Now, see, the real dominant type right now happens to be Steel. Look at any competitive battling team, and if it doesn't have a Steel-type, it's basically screwed to no end, if not for the 11 or so resistances, but for the only resistance to Dragon in the game.

Light doesn't have a reason to exist.
 
BleuVII said:
Well, "sound" could be classified better as "Sonic" type, but that would sound like copyright infringement. As Colcolstyles said,

Coolboyman gave me the idea, and I started thinking about how it could be a really interesting "abstract" type to throw in that could be whatever you wanted it to be.

As for Light type, I still stand behind it. Dark needs a parallel, because with its super-effectiveness against Ghost and its immunity to Psychic, it is really strong. The only reason it's not superpowered is because there are so few pure Dark types. Now, people are thinking of "Light" as in physical light, but maybe it would be helpful to throw in a distinguishing factor. The Japanese for "Dark" is "aku" (あく - 悪), which means "evil" when translated. I am thinking of light as a Nintendo-censorship-standards-safe way of saying "holy", which in Japanese is "Sei" (せい - 聖). That should help to distinguish it from Fire, Electric, and Psychic in peoples' minds.

The type chart could be as follows:
Spoiler:

Could non-haters check that out and see if you spot any imbalances? :)

There are only a few pokemon which I could see being re-typed as Light-types:
Blissey (and possibly Chancey)
Mawile (to make it an appropriate parallel to Sabeleye)

Hopefully that helps clarify why some of us want Light type.
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If Light is to "balance out" Dark than why isn't it super effective or resistant to Dark? And how is Light super effective on steel? I'm confused. =x
 
Vrai said:
Light doesn't have a reason to exist.
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Except to combat stagnancy and add something NEW to the game. It's not that the game is BROKEN right now; far from it. Pokemon is one of the most-balanced games in existence, possibly losing only to Starcraft. It's just that the game hasn't really changed in a decade. People here act like adding a new type would break the game. Well, it doesn't, and Coolboyman proved that in his Pokemon Brown hack.

I made the type-chart for Light because I would honestly want a pokemon like that in my team. I don't think it's overpowered, and I think it would add something interesting for those of us who are looking for something new. The rest can just ignore it. I mean, heck, I've been ignoring Poison, Bug, and Rock types since Gen I (except for knowing how to kill them) just because they don't interest me.

Waffle-San said:
If Light is to "balance out" Dark than why isn't it super effective or resistant to Dark? And how is Light super effective on steel? I'm confused. =x
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It's more of a parallel to Dark. I believe I said in an earlier post that it would be nice to have two legendaries that were not effective against each other, but not have one of them be a lame type (like Ho-oh/Lugia and Dialga/Palkia). I thought about making Light/Dark MUTUALLY effective against each other... Anyway, forgive me for creating confusion. Dark doesn't need to be balanced out. It's just a really strong type that could use a parallel.

Anyway, about Light being super-effective on Steel... how is Fighting super-effective on Dark? Or how is Steel NOT weak to Psychic (especially when the Psychic-enhancing held item is a TWISTED SPOON?!) No real reason, they just needed to balance out the types. The reason Light is super-effective against steel is:
1. Because it needed to be in order to make Light an effective parallel to Dark
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2. If you REALLY need to search, in the Japanese mindset, the "Spiritual" (light/holy type) is seen as being at odds with the "Industrial" (Steel). Just watch Princess Mononoke and you'll understand what I mean.
 
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BleuVII said:
Except to combat stagnancy and add something NEW to the game. It's not that the game is BROKEN right now; far from it. Pokemon is one of the most-balanced games in existence, possibly losing only to Starcraft. It's just that the game hasn't really changed in a decade. People here act like adding a new type would break the game. Well, it doesn't, and Coolboyman proved that in his Pokemon Brown hack.

I made the type-chart for Light because I would honestly want a pokemon like that in my team. I don't think it's overpowered, and I think it would add something interesting for those of us who are looking for something new. The rest can just ignore it. I mean, heck, I've been ignoring Poison, Bug, and Rock types since Gen I (except for knowing how to kill them) just because they don't interest me.
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Your type chart doesn't make sense unfortunately. I mean we'd all love our perfect pokemon but grass isn't super effective on Fire for a reason. They could possibly spice up types like Poison, give it something more to attack with (make it super effective on water? just an example by the way) or just keep adding type combinations. There are other more creative ways to spice up the game than adding types. I mean a Light type would probably be super effective on Dark and be weak to Dark as well. It might have some other uses and resistances. I'd argue that it'd be weak to rock though cause even if you mean in a "holy" sense people would still refer to it as the light that we see colour with. And rocks block out that light. Being super effective on steel would be nice for competitive purposes but doesn't make any sense. If you're thinking heat than that's covered by Fire.

And Coolboyman added alot of other types too, if you're going to use him as proof you have to refer to all the types and come on, wood? Grass could be renamed (as should be flying) to be plant or something but really Grass covers all flora and fauna.

Edit: You've got a point, psychic could be super effective on steel but that has more to do with the strength of the psychic attack and steel. It could go either way in my opinion.

I think having Dark and Light mutually effective against eachother makes more sense. And Fighting is seen as the "good guy" counter to Dark as its typing is associated with honour and dependability while Dark is associated with trickery and decete.

From a spiritual mindset that's true but with a name like light that will rarely be anyones first impression. If anything they'll imagine light and mirrors. =/ And while it's seen as spiritual being I guess above that of the industrial, the industrial is slowly taking over around the world. So in a sense, the spiritual is losing out to Steel.
 
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BleuVII said:
Except to combat stagnancy and add something NEW to the game. It's not that the game is BROKEN right now; far from it. Pokemon is one of the most-balanced games in existence, possibly losing only to Starcraft. It's just that the game hasn't really changed in a decade. People here act like adding a new type would break the game. Well, it doesn't, and Coolboyman proved that in his Pokemon Brown hack.

I made the type-chart for Light because I would honestly want a pokemon like that in my team. I don't think it's overpowered, and I think it would add something interesting for those of us who are looking for something new. The rest can just ignore it. I mean, heck, I've been ignoring Poison, Bug, and Rock types since Gen I (except for knowing how to kill them) just because they don't interest me.
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Yeah, I see your point, but I'm still not going to agree because I don't. :3 I can potentially see Sound becoming a type someday because there's sort of a basis for existence of it (soundproof, whismur, etc.) but I don't really see anything that Light can portray besides angels from the heavens, which really limits the quality of the Pokémon that can be Light type. I suppose that's one of my biggest problems with the consideration of new types; what kinds of Pokémon do you propose could actually be a Light type? There's only so many spoofs of angel-like creatures that you can get before it gets old.

Also, Bug's one of my favorite types. <3
 
Space types? I mean Rayquaza, Deoxys, Mew, Arceus, etc all live in space, and that's where Pkmn originally came from.

Yesh? No?
 
I wouldn't like to see a "light" type, but I would pay for a gravity type. They would look like asteroids, or suns, and be super affective against rock and ground type, but weak against types such as dragon or flying.
 
Vrai said:
Yeah, I see your point, but I'm still not going to agree because I don't. :3 I can potentially see Sound becoming a type someday because there's sort of a basis for existence of it (soundproof, whismur, etc.) but I don't really see anything that Light can portray besides angels from the heavens, which really limits the quality of the Pokémon that can be Light type. I suppose that's one of my biggest problems with the consideration of new types; what kinds of Pokémon do you propose could actually be a Light type? There's only so many spoofs of angel-like creatures that you can get before it gets old.

Also, Bug's one of my favorite types. <3
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Fair enough. You don't need to agree. Thanks for not flaming.

I can see a lot more possibilities than just angel stuff though. That's a pretty western idea, and it's quite limited. The concept of "spiritual" or "divine" in Japanese mythos opens up a realm of creatures, from stuff made to resemble some of the bigger gods (Amaterasu - Fire/Light, for example) to the rabbit-making-mochi-in-the-moon (Rock/Light or some such thing). It could even cover a pokemon that is somewhat based off of a warrior monk, since the same kanji is used in that. Granted, Meditite/Medicham kind of already do that, but I'm just throwing out examples.
 
I don't know, if they did introduce a new type then surely the previous pokemon would get some of this, and to do that would take ALOT of time considering there is 493 currently then the new Pokemon for Gen V (Black & White)
 
I light type would be unnecissary, considering they have already released to much information at the moment and the announcement of a new type would be going over the top. However, in one case I do agree with having a 'light' type and like previous posters said; it would create a ying - yang effect which Black and White are aiming for. So there are positive and negative points of each side of discussion.
But for me it would be a no, for now at least. :cer_no:
 
I couldn't see A new type being added, all of it is already balanced, so it really doesn't need a new type. In the first Generation their was the Psychic type that had no weaknesses and nothing was good against it, but then Generation Two came, and that balanced everything out.
 
I have supported and wanted a Light type since Dark was released.

Psychic is not Light. They're not even closely related. The only reason anyone even claims they are is Espeon. If anything, Electric is pretty close to Light.

I've thought of potential strengths and weaknesses Light can have. My own concept of a Light type in my head was weak to Poison, simply to balance out the poison type, and was resistant [but not strong against] Fighting, again to balance out the type. I don't have an opinion on its power against Dark, but I am liking the "they're supereffective against each other" concept the most. For strength, I think it could be resistant or strong against Ground to level the playing field when Earthquake is brought in. For logical strengths and weaknesses, it would be strong against Flying, but not very effective against Ice. Also, some Light type abilities could give them effectiveness during Sunny Day, perhaps?

As far as previous Pokemon being Light types are concerned, the only Pokemon that jumps out to me is Ampharos and perhaps Togepi's line. But a Light type opens up some new creative ideas, like a candle-based monster [fire/light] or an anthropomorphic strobelight that confuses foes and lowers their speed. Also, who wouldn't want a raver Pokemon?

Nintendo seems to be running low on ideas, as they're reusing concepts they've made before. A new type would open up some of these ideas and keep the games fresh.
 
i guess it would b cool. as long as they are both super effective to eachother im fine. light legendary would also b pretty cool.
 
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