Occupy Wall Street

[HackChu]

American banks hold a majority of the public debt. China only holds 8% of our federal debt, which is still a heck of a lot more than it owned 10 years ago.

This is wrong on many levels. The foreign banks like Chase and JPMorgan holds most of America's debt. How? Because the debt is owned by the Private Reserve, which in itself if owned by 6 Mega Banks. They'll be quick to tell you that they don't know where the tax payer money goes. Our tax payer money is often used to bail them out. But you can't bail anyone out that prints money out of thin air. That's what the Private Reserve does. They create hyper-inflation.

I wish the clowns that were protesting Wall-Street actually protested against something that is the prime cult of holding America captive--the Federal Reserve, which is no more federal than my butt-crack.

 

[Keiran]

Today, in response to the protests on the ports, the police pulled tents over the groups of protesters and targeted the people with cameras first to cover up their illegal arrests. They also covered up their badge numbers with duct tape, which is also illegal. Welcome to a police state, guys. D:

 

[donavannj]

Wonderful. Now how are we going to hold the police accountable?

This is wrong on many levels. The foreign banks like Chase and JPMorgan holds most of America's debt. How? Because the debt is owned by the Private Reserve, which in itself if owned by 6 Mega Banks. They'll be quick to tell you that they don't know where the tax payer money goes. Our tax payer money is often used to bail them out. But you can't bail anyone out that prints money out of thin air. That's what the Private Reserve does. They create hyper-inflation.

I wish the clowns that were protesting Wall-Street actually protested against something that is the prime cult of holding America captive--the Federal Reserve, which is no more federal than my butt-crack.

Okay, a few things:

1. JPMorgan and Chase are a part of JPMorgan & Chase, which is headquartered in New York.
2. JPMorgan & Associates and Chase Manhattan (which is what they were prior to a merger in 2000) were also 100% American founded and headquartered.
3. In most of the cities with a branch of the Federal Reserve, they started out protesting in front of Federal Reserve buildings.
4. Hyperinflation is what happened in Zimbabwe over the last 6 years. What's happening in the United States now is nowhere near as dramatic.

 

[SV]

My opinion is as follows: I originally supported the initial movement, at least under the premise that something needed to be done. That was the original message from the initial followers of the movement. As time passed, however, I found myself noticing that many of the individuals protesting have no idea what it is they are even protesting, and have apparently jumped on the political bandwagon. When Occupy Wall Street lost it's credibility (In my eyes) I stopped supporting it.

It is a shame, too, because the original message of the group was an inherently good one. I would like to give you an example, so you understand what I mean:

In my political science class in University happened to be one of the organizers of the Occupy movement in my city (name undisclosed). Obviously interested in the subject, myself and a few others spoke to him during and after class to learn a bit more about the movement. I asked him what the people are protesting. He replied with a simple "Corporate Greed" answer. I asked if he could be a bit more specific, and he told me that they did not have an actual layed out reason. I could tell, however, that he was simply apart of the political masses, another of the politically misinformed, and this went for quite a bit of the others in the movement.

 

[Keiran]

Their demands have not changed. People keep asking what their demands are, as if it's not very obvious and as if it changes every week. Just because that one guy in your class couldn't elaborate on his statement doesn't mean nobody can. These people know what they are protesting, and only the most dedicated to seeing change happen are still doing so. No one is hopping on a bandwagon. Desiring your government to do what it SHOULD be doing is not a fad.

 

[HackChu]

1. JPMorgan and Chase are a part of JPMorgan & Chase, which is headquartered in New York.

Maybe an American branch. But these banks are off-shore privately owned. Look it up.

2. JPMorgan & Associates and Chase Manhattan (which is what they were prior to a merger in 2000) were also 100% American founded and headquartered.

See the top. These banks may be located in New York. But they are not owned by any American whatsoever.
https://www.save-a-patriot.org/files/view/whofed.html

3. In most of the cities with a branch of the Federal Reserve, they started out protesting in front of Federal Reserve buildings.

Oh is that a fact? Because I've kept an eye on the movement, and not once have I heard "End the Fed".

4. Hyperinflation is what happened in Zimbabwe over the last 6 years. What's happening in the United States now is nowhere near as dramatic.

You call this little Police State in New York not dramatic? You call the NDAA bill being signed into existence not dramatic?(the NDAA bill allows America to become a battlefield if any "Terrorist" attacks. If you are suspected of terrorism, American or not. You WILL and CAN be carried away by the Army, and at times, never heard of again. This is very illegal)

So yeah, I think things are getting worse in fact, nothing seems to be getting better at all. Despite what the fabled Media says.

 

[donavannj]

Maybe an American branch. But these banks are off-shore privately owned. Look it up.

See the top. These banks may be located in New York. But they are not owned by any American whatsoever.
https://www.save-a-patriot.org/files/view/whofed.html


Oh is that a fact? Because I've kept an eye on the movement, and not once have I heard "End the Fed".

You call this little Police State in New York not dramatic? You call the NDAA bill being signed into existence not dramatic?(the NDAA bill allows America to become a battlefield if any "Terrorist" attacks. If you are suspected of terrorism, American or not. You WILL and CAN be carried away by the Army, and at times, never heard of again. This is very illegal)

So yeah, I think things are getting worse in fact, nothing seems to be getting better at all. Despite what the fabled Media says.

I cannot find any such information that says they are owned offshore that isn't from a conspiracy theory site and that doesn't cite some source that they do not provide the information to obtain said source to verify the information with your own eyes.

It is most certainly a fact (at a very minimum, the protests in Dallas and Minneapolis happened in front of the Reserve buildings in those cities, and that was probably the case in all 16 other cities with a federal reserve branch), but to immediately abolish the fed would be foolish because so much of the average Joe's money is tied into the Reserve through the FDIC and that money would evaporate. The FDIC is the average Joe's protection against poor business strategies by banks.

I was referring specifically to inflation (meaning that our inflation isn't hyper-inflation because it's not on the scale of any serious hyperinflation like in Zimbabwe), not our hyper-reactionary Congress and media. And I never said things were getting better or worse.

 

[HackChu]

I cannot find any such information that says they are owned offshore that isn't from a conspiracy theory site and that doesn't cite some source that they do not provide the information to obtain said source to verify the information with your own eyes.

Then you aren't looking hard enough. This isn't from some "conspiracy" site.

https://www.investopedia.com/articles/economics/08/federal-reserve.asp#axzz1gROsNPfc

You aren't going to really find a answer on a government site anyway, because if the people knew, we would've gotten rid of them a long time ago.

It is most certainly a fact (at a very minimum, the protests in Dallas and Minneapolis happened in front of the Reserve buildings in those cities, and that was probably the case in all 16 other cities with a federal reserve branch)

Correct, these people actually know what is raping the country. Alex Jones was apart of the Dallas Movement.

but to immediately abolish the fed would be foolish because so much of the average Joe's money is tied into the Reserve through the FDIC and that money would evaporate. The FDIC is the average Joe's protection against poor business strategies by banks.

This is why we need to audit the FED first, which is why Ron Paul is trying to become President. He happens to be the only candidate with a brain up there.

But it doesn't take that long for one to research on the private reserve and see who actually owns it, and to see what banks are apart of it. Look at this 30 minute cartoonish film called the American Dream.

Andrew Jackson once said--

Give the banks the power to issue currency, and the Nation will fall into debt.

 

[Mr. X]

Today, in response to the protests on the ports, the police pulled tents over the groups of protesters and targeted the people with cameras first to cover up their illegal arrests. They also covered up their badge numbers with duct tape, which is also illegal. Welcome to a police state, guys. D:

If it was covered up, how do we know about it?

Illegal arrests? Perhaps, but still the fact is that they attempted to shut down a necessary transport service. Would you support the arrests if they blocked all traffic, including traffic such as Fire Trucks (attempting to go to the scene of a fire) or ambulances (Who are transporting severely injured people who may die because of the interruption, or are attempting to pick up a severely injured person who may die because of the interruption.

The arrests might, MIGHT, have been illegal but the fact is that this so called 'protest' is harmful to the general person, and the OWS movement as a whole.

Still, news story or it didn't happen.

 

[Keiran]

If it was covered up, how do we know about it?

Illegal arrests? Perhaps, but still the fact is that they attempted to shut down a necessary transport service. Would you support the arrests if they blocked all traffic, including traffic such as Fire Trucks (attempting to go to the scene of a fire) or ambulances (Who are transporting severely injured people who may die because of the interruption, or are attempting to pick up a severely injured person who may die because of the interruption.

The arrests might, MIGHT, have been illegal but the fact is that this so called 'protest' is harmful to the general person, and the OWS movement as a whole.

Still, news story or it didn't happen.

I watched the people streaming it live. I saw everything myself, everything I mentioned happened. There won't be a news story because the police and the companies controlling the MSM won't let there BE a news story. The press people are ALWAYS the first to be arrested or removed. If you want to see this for yourself, I suggest you watch their streams, follow their twitters, whatever else.

The police are the ones doing most of the interrupting of ambulances and what-not. They surround protesters and deny any medical attention to people THEY injured.

 

[jpp8]

I think this illustrates how officers are infringing on the right to a free and open press. Even moreso if it gets taken down.

 

[HackChu]

Yes, it's been hell lately. There was a guy injured at a mall and he lost conscience with his head bleeding.

These [insert bad word here] need locked up.

 

[Mr. X]

As far as im concerned, both parties are at fault.

I support the ideals of the movement, but not the actions that they are taking. As long as they take actions like these, ones that harm the movement, then illegal or not, wrong or not, I'll support the actions of the police.

 

[HackChu]

As far as im concerned, both parties are at fault.

I support the ideals of the movement, but not the actions that they are taking. As long as they take actions like these, ones that harm the movement, then illegal or not, wrong or not, I'll support the actions of the police.

So that said, you'd support tyranny basically?

Wonder if a guy from a SWAT team showed up at your girlfriends door and just beat her because she was an activist? I don't think you'd support that at all. So there is no difference from what is going on. People have died from police brutality since this movement began. You support the actions of violence against one's own right to protest.

Shame on you.

 

[TRIFORCE89]

People have died from police brutality since this movement began.

Huh? Where did you read that? That's news to me if it's true.

 

[HackChu]

Huh? Where did you read that? That's news to me if it's true.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/12/occupy-wall-street-deaths_n_1089845.html

https://www.whiteoutpress.com/articles/q42011/third-occupy-wall-street-death571/

And even if it wasn't deaths. Beating a fellow human being for protesting is piss poor to say the least. If this forum didn't have a younger audience, I'd say what I feel pressured to say about all this. But for now, I'll leave it at that.

 

[jpp8]

While I feel that the camps may have overstayed their welcome and usefulness somewhat, is direct action, as in doing something besides sitting in tents, really "harmful" to the movement? An open letter from America's port truck drivers on occupy the ports.

intro

We have been elected by committees of our co-workers at the Ports of Los Angeles, Long Beach, Oakland, Seattle, Tacoma, New York and New Jersey to tell our collective story. We have accepted the honor to speak up for our brothers and sisters about our working conditions despite the risk of retaliation we face. One of us is a mother, the rest of us fathers. Between the five of us we have 11children and one more baby on the way. We have a combined 46 years of experience driving cargo from our shores for America's stores.

We are inspired that a non-violent democratic movement that insists on basic economic fairness is capturing the hearts and minds of so many working people. Thank you "99 Percenters" for hearing our call for justice. We are humbled and overwhelmed by recent attention. Normally we are invisible.

Today's demonstrations will impact us. While we cannot officially speak for every worker who shares our occupation, we can use this opportunity to reveal what it's like to walk a day in our shoes for the 110,000 of us in America whose job it is to be a port truck driver. It may be tempting for media to ask questions about whether we support a shutdown, but there are no easy answers. Instead, we ask you, are you willing to listen and learn why a one-word response is impossible?

 

[Mr. X]

So that said, you'd support tyranny basically?

Wonder if a guy from a SWAT team showed up at your girlfriends door and just beat her because she was an activist? I don't think you'd support that at all. So there is no difference from what is going on. People have died from police brutality since this movement began. You support the actions of violence against one's own right to protest.

Shame on you.

You know that saying about assume? Don't assume because you'll make a ASS out of U and ME?

I dislike it when people try to use those close to me and my emotions to force my adherence to a certain point of view. I don't have a girlfriend. That said, emotional manipulation is not a good way to garner support for something. Congrats. While I might have agreed with you in the future, you doing this has just killed any chance of that happening.

I support the ideals. What I don't support is these people interfering with the economy in such a way that could, if continued for a long period of time, lead to loss of jobs. Something that we DON'T need. I don't support them preventing ships from unloading product that is essential to our economy. I don't support them blocking off access to subways, I don't support them manipulating laws to suit their needs.

These actions are not helping. If they want to change the system, then they need to start running for office. At state level first, then on national level. If they have as much support as they say they do, then they should have no issues getting representatives in state governments and in the future, the federal government.

 

[HackChu]

You know that saying about assume? Don't assume because you'll make a ASS out of U and ME?

Don't have a girlfriend so really, I don't care.


I support the ideals. What I don't support is these people interfering with the economy in such a way that could, if continued for a long period of time, lead to loss of jobs. Something that we DON'T need. I don't support them preventing ships from unloading product that is essential to our economy. I don't support them blocking off access to subways, I don't support them manipulating laws to suit their needs.

These actions are not helping. If they want to change the system, then they need to start running for office. At state level first, then on national level. If they have as much support as they say they do, then they should have no issues getting representatives in state governments and in the future, the federal government.

But they aren't manipulating the laws, nor are they blocking subways. Streets, maybe so.

 

[Mr. X]

Yes, they are. Remember the park camps?

And the subway block was a planned event for their November 17th march. While they might not have gone through with it, the fact that they planned to doesn't help them any.