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Johnny said:
Dude, you're putting it all wrong. There was a reason to vote Charlie Brown, did it ever cross your mind that he knew that voting for Alex was a scummy thing to do?
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Sure it wasn't the most towny thing to do, but as you said he was trying to get lynched. The thing is, it wasn't really that overtly scummy for a Day One where people were already slinging random votes everywhere. So I'm afraid this point just isn't good enough.

You said a lot, but barely explained anything so here's how it is:
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I did a pretty good job of explaining why you look scummy but I notice you've chosen to ignore that.

CB voted Alex because he knew that was a scummy thing to do, why else would a Fool do that? and it's common for the mafia to say "I believe that the guy that it's about to get killed, is innocent" they do that a lot because they know they're not mafia. Also, you're blowing things out of proportion, it was Day One and some people obviously agreed with me, it was more than enough to get him killed and the fact that you even dare say otherwise makes me suspicious of you, as if you were just trying to create chaos.
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We all know exactly what he was doing now that we've seen him lynched. You don't need to lecture us lol. I'm not blowing anything out of proportion though, there was some obviously scummy behaviour yesterday - behaviour that you were a part of - and I'm looking into it whilst you try your hardest to downplay it and push us away from it. That's not a good move as an innocent. so you're either scum or just making a pretty bad play.

The fact that you're insinuating that going against you or disagreeing with you in any way suggests I'm scum and "trying to create chaos" is also pretty amusing. So should we all just follow along with you next time you champion a bad bandwagon too? That sounds like a good way for the mafia to win... although at this point it's looking more and more like that's what you want.
 
Johnny said:
We'll have to disagree here. Alex was actively discussing, whilst everyone was "slinging" random votes as you said. Maybe that's not surprising by PC standards, but random voting is exactly what the mafia want because they can just blend in with the rest of the random votes. I saw that and I stepped in. How is that scummy again?
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Mate, there's more than one way to play scum. Not everyone goes the route of laying low. Some people try to be as active as they possibly can, especially those who are typically very active players anyway - like you. You didn't, as you say, step in to try and stop random voting you got involved to cover your ass.



What was the scummy behavior, though? I believe I stopped a bandwagon on Alex. Sure, CB was the fool, but no one else saw that either.
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It's scummy because you were at the same time as you were defending Alex, buddying up with a skilled player, you were also perpetuating another baseless bandwagon that was arguably just as bad if not worse than the one that was half-formed on Alex. It's a typical move, defend the town player to up your town credentials whilst also pushing for another town lynch.



It's not that you disagree with me, haha. It's the fact that you're seeing towny behavior as scum.
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Your right, baseless lynches, loaded accusations and trying to discourage investigation is very town-sided behaviour. My mistake.

If you ask me, I think you are grandstanding right now. Saying things like "you don't need to lecture us". I wasn't suspecting you last day phase because Seth went against you and I was leaning scum on him, but now I'm not so sure.
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I'm hardly grandstanding, I want results and I want better results than we got from the mess that was the last phase. Of course you're leaning scum on me because I'm coming after you. Of course, that would cease to happen if you weren't acting so scummy but that's how it goes.
 
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There was nothing to cover O.o. Had I not stepped in, maybe Alex would've been the lynch target and as we all know now, he was town.I decided to step in because I saw an active user who I got a townread from, being voted for literally all the wrong reasons. Here you're basically seeing it as you want.
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You don't need to have done something wrong to start working on your town persona lol. Nobody ignores their mafia status and only starts working to hide it when they're discovered.



Are you implying that you should never defend people who you think are town? That's exactly what you should NOT do. Mafia can easily lead the lynches this way. Again, seeing it as you want to see it. Maybe it was bad, but you can only know that now, because CB won the game, but the reasoning on Alex's votes were poor and I stepped in, you're just choosing to see it as you want.
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Except I pointed out it was bad yesterday too. It was plainly bad from the very beginning. You went after someone based on no more than what the lynch you had a problem with was using.



1)It was not baseless, re-read D1. 2) I've never tried to discourage investigation, so... wat?
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1. I'm aware of what you're claiming. It was still baseless or at the very least poorly reasoned.
2. What you're doing now by suggesting not looking into your bandwagon is discouraging investigation.



Not to discredit your efforts, but you're just pursuing a gut feeling. My play style hasn't changed a bit, it just so happens that this time I was wrong, but that's to be expected. It hardly ever happens that you lynch mafia on D1.
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Of course it hasn't changed? When did I say it had? My whole point earlier was that you wouldn't lay low as a mafia because you're an active player. So being active now doesn't help your case any.

I'm going to summarize this for those who don't want to read this mess and because we're derailing.

You suspect I'm mafia because you think CB's bandwagon was baseless, but the truth is that HE voted Alex with poor reasoning and I called him out. After that he OMGUS'd me, which is also scummy. I'd say that's a pretty good reason for a lynch on D1. You're just now coming after me because you think I'm an easy target now, because what happened.
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Then immediately after, you voted him with reasoning that was just as bad and proceeded to push his lynch far harder than he ever pushed for Alex's. I'm also not coming after you just now, I was on your ass last phase too. My view hasn't been altered by Charlie's alignment because I was fairly confident of his innocence from the beginning. Debating you with you isn't derailing it's playing the game, stop trying to paint me in a negative light because I'm calling you out, it's not going to work. I will say though, some other input would be nice people.
 
Johnny said:
But you're claiming that I did it to cover my ass, you also claimed that I was buddying Alex. If these last two cases were true, I would've pursued Alex's suspicions and go against Wiicked, lol. It clearly made more sense to go after CB, just because you didn't want to do that, doesn't mean I'm scum. Let me ask you this, if this bandwagon was as bad as you claim, why aren't you going against the people who simply hopped onto the bandwagon? Mafia almost never drops the first accusation, because it's easier to just be the second or third, which is exactly what CB was doing, because he wanted to look scummy
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Again, when I said covering your ass I meant you were making a conscious effort to conceal your alignment, not to hide a mistake or something. You also don't have to do every last little thing someone does to buddy them. Going after wiicked would have looked even scummier than going after CB. Sure, but you've just proven you know this. It's not hard to see an aggressive player like you making that first push gambling that nobody ever considers the first vote might come from the mafia.

As for why you're the only one I'm hunting, I'm not forgetting the others don't you worry. It just so happens that you're doing a great job of incriminating yourself at this moment.


Yeah, but yesterday you voted Nightkr0w instead of me, lol. You're now going against me because now I'm an easier target.
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I'm going against you because NightKrow has claimed poisoned without a counter claim which means she's innocent. You on the other hand are making yourself look progressively scummier.



1. That's your claim, mine is the opposite and going on circles about this isn't helping.
2. I merely shared my suspicions, like you're doing now, never said that you shouldn't be "investigating".
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Not much else to say here, you're right that it'll just become an endless circular argument.



I did not push for his lynch, he tried to discredit what I was saying about him, but obviously failed (on purpose), that's really a different perspective at how you're putting it.
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Yes he wanted to get lynched. The fact you pushed for that lynch is not rendered moot by this. It's irrelevant.

Okay answer me this, how on earth were you so sure about his innocence, considering he wanted to look scummy? Unless you're mafia there's no way that you could've been so sure.
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Well he obviously wasn't maf and quite frankly he didn't do that much to get himself lynched either. He didn't need to because you either fell for the world's weakest bait or saw him as a good target to push a bandwagon on - even though there was practically no evidence against him and definitely no more than he had pushed on Alex. So yes, it was pretty easy to be confident that he wasn't mafia-aligned without being in the mafia.

I'm not painting you in a negative light, lol. You're just making yourself look scummy af right now.
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Well if pointing out you're being scummy/hampering investigations makes me look scummy myself I guess I can live with that. I'm eagerly awaiting hearing some other thoughts on this situation though - so we'll see how scummy I look to the players I'm not targeting.
 
I have written several paragraphs on why everything you've said makes no sense at this point and I honestly have no desire to continue doing so.

1. I didn't vote NK just for her vote but also her general behaviour. I have not gone after the other bandwagoners because your posts keep digging you a bigger hole that doesn't mean I'm ignoring it.
2. My accusations are hardly baseless when almost every post you make right now is more evidence against you. Same as I am suggesting you buddied Alex based on your random defense of him and then subsequent bandwagon that was equally as bad as the one on him.
3. It's irrelevant because his role doesn't matter. You saw an easy BW and pushed for it. That is literally all that is relevant in regards to Josh right now. The bandwagon that you started and your continual suggestion that there was nothing shady about a bandwagon based on basically no evidence. Josh might have been being subtle but that alone was too subtle.
4. Well us talking constantly does prevent us from looking into the other people who jumped on your wagon properly.

I really don't want to continue a circular argument.

[#Lobotomize] Johnny

I'll leave this here but am happy to change on the off chance someone makes themselves look even more scummy.
 
Okay first things first after looking at the roles list there's no need for the Jailer to jail EC because if he is Crane, which we are going to assume he is, maybe Mongo can save him? That way either Mongo or a scum will die.

Okay second, my two scumreads, GP and Johnny, Just debated. If one is town, the other is probably scum and vice versa.

Yes, my activity did drop, because of life, but not only that, but I'm switching playstyles. Nobody seemed to enjoy my agressive investigative posts so I'll let the big boys do their jobs and I'll just state my opinions from now on. Hope this clears your suspicions.

My thoughts on GP are naturally getting better because I think he had very good arguments against Johnny. I would also like to point something out:

Johnny said:
Okay answer me this, how on earth were you so sure about his innocence, considering he wanted to look scummy? Unless you're mafia there's no way that you could've been so sure.

I'm not painting you in a negative light, lol. You're just making yourself look scummy af right now.
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So if ANYONE thought Charlie was innocent, they're automatically suspicious to you? That's not very good logic, mate. In fact this proves GP's point that you're throwing shade at anyone who disagrees with you.

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I fail to see why you're only considering the possibility that I was buddying Alex, while it could also be that he was the only one making sense and not random lynching lol. Explain why going after Wiicked would've been scummier. You're pretty good at throwing accusations without explanations
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Johnny said:
[Lobotomise] Charlie Brown

For bandwagony behavior.

As for "Alex v Wiicked" both of you are wrong, IMO. Maybe Alex's heart is in the right place since he's trying to vote for people based on behavior, rather than random lynching. I agree that RL isn't the way to go, but I don't believe Wicked is scum because of it and everyone else is doing the same, so they should all be scum in Alex's eyes.
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This post by Johnny was on D1 and here is Johnny contradicting himself. Today he said that Alex was the only one making sense but on the bolded part, he says that Alex isn't making any sense because by Alex's logic everyone should be scummy.

Also I'm so interested in why you were leaning scum on me. Can you tell us why? Your reason seems to be different than GP's, which was quite understandable. Was it the "I don't think Charlie is scum" ?

Other than that, I agree with ehhhhh MOST of GP's points. I'm not willing to give him a free pass but he's looking much better than you Johnny.

[#LOBOTOMISE] Johnny
 
I suppose this could be beneficial to the town:/ Could just be two innocents arguing
 
I'm going to refrain from voting for the moment, but I have to say I wasn't a big fan of the CB lynch because it seems like the initial vote was on very thin evidence. Obviously people make mistakes, so it's hard to pin that as simply a scum move, but it is worth noting.
 
I love how Johnny keeps ignoring that Josh had barely done anything at all when he started that wagon on him. He hadn't had time to really sew any seeds to get himself lynched, you did all the work for him. So the fact he wanted to be lynched is meaningless. He had literally not done anything besides make like two posts when the wagon started forming and none of it was that incriminating, that's why some of us were confident he wasn't mafia. We just used our heads. Literally the only reason he was lynched is because you made his job so easy.

As for the others. NightKrow is pretty much clear since it seems she was indeed poisoned. Arsenic I'm chalking up to being new, although we've made the mistake of giving the newbie a free pass before.

Looking back I do think I made one mistake though, I think Alex actually had more valid points against Wiicked than I originally gave him credit for. They weren't particularly strong, but they were not paper thin either. Does this help Johnny in my eyes? Maybe a little but not much at all. Because I also noticed there was no real bandwagon forming against Alex to begin with which kind of counters lots of his reasoning.

I also notice Seth, who likes to point out contradictions, has contradicted myself. He listed me and Johnny as his top scum reads... but towards the previous day's close he was apparently reading me as town. That's interesting.
 
gimmepie said:
I also notice Seth, who likes to point out contradictions, has contradicted myself. He listed me and Johnny as his top scum reads... but towards the previous day's close he was apparently reading me as town. That's interesting.
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What? Maybe I didn't make it clear: I said you and Johnny are the best bets that I've got. I never listed you as a townread. Where was this? If I remember correctly I said that I'll let you go for now. Just like what you did with Johnny D1.

I'll consider Johnny's defense. I don't have much time now but I'll look into it and if there's anything worth replying to ill do it ASAP
 
lol gunner what about you?

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So I'm raven c:

First Vision: Nick Wilde, Pecillia, EC one of them is fishy not good c: EC claimed so he is out of fishy one.....I'm scum leaning toward Rabi( nick) after above post. The reason is

Second Vision: Seth is good I feel safe around hiim c: so acc to me Seth is inno.....Johnny was throwing shade and stuff on Seth and basically I agree with GP, Rabi is Fully with johnny or it looks like

[#LOBOTOMISE]Johnny

Sorry bae :c
If johnny flips inno GP is our next bae simple c:

Double Edit: Night guys c:
 
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That's all Cat dog sent me in pm johnny.

Seth is good and you feel safe around him that's all.
 
lol that's why I wanted to wait to RR, everyone will just say that johnny gave scum vibe or something XD

But you're somewhat town to me Abby c:

Night for real this time c:

Edit: It never said anything about you but it clearly indicates that Seth is town so you were throwing some shade on him and stuff that's the only reason from me and I like gp's posts and he seems more town to me so my vote to you just as that c:
 
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Yeah I know but the chance are 50/50 with Pecillia too. Nick's Post about Seth clearly gives me scum vibe but he also sided with you. Too confirm him as a real wolf you must die. After that if you flip mafia he goes down if you flip inno then it's up to other town peeps 'cause I don't think I will be alive :p
 
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