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Prism League Discussion (Previously "Our own Pokemon X/Y League")

Leaders/E4 using Pokemon whose Megas change to a different type, yes or no?

  • Yes

    Votes: 25 75.8%
  • No

    Votes: 8 24.2%

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Polar Spectrum

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  • I think 3:3 [3 wild cards] monotype would be best. If youre going to have strategy discussion on gym leaders, well they should at least be somewhat challenging. If im the grass gym and i have to pick all 6 grass types then all my opponent has to do is bring talonflame.

    That's a good idea too - Gym Leaders always had their signature pokemon. We could have 3 pokemon on a gym leader's team be constant, and of course yeah - 3 for flex haha. Because being monotype locked is a disadvantage :P Especially with things like Grass and Rock.

    Harley_Wigglytuff.png


    But yeah, I like themed teams, too, not just based on typing :)

    xD Wigglytuff. That picture was perfect. Well played. And ditto what you said; I know for sure at least Blue will be using a theme if he's a leader - all his pokemon are blue hehe. Which shouldn't be too hard since he's gonna shoot for the water gym.


    But hey! I've sent out some PM's, there's some interest, let's hit the metal while it's hot. How does a tournament on Showdown / X/Y sound either this weekend, or this coming week to decide gym leader and E4 spots?

    It is worth noting too - don't feel bad or be upset if you don't do well in the tournament, if you stay active in the league as a regular and / or successful challenger, you can take up a spot as a gym leader or Elite 4 member. The primary requirement is going to be activity and reliability in participating, since a League is nothing without the league members themselves.

    Anyone got suggestions for when this should go down? : p
     

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  • I would like to sign up for this :) i like everything i read so far. Who can i contact to be updated with any information/getting started and whatnot?
     

    BadPokemon

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  • Noooo problem :D We're gonna have everyone covered, with a bi-partisan league that supports X/Y and Showdown. Glad to have ya ~ probably set up a tourney or something to set places here in the next few days to a week.



    I concur on the first one - I think I mentioned that in the semi-op about suggesting rules, glad to hear someone's with me hahah.
    Pokebank too, yes - seconded.
    Smogon bans, I withhold my opinion - I can't really say since I'm not even aware of all their numerous bans on movesets, abilities, items, and pokemon. I will read up on it though-
    Agree that no hacks should be allowed. Why ever would theyyyy-
    And concur on the no 2 same pokedex pokemon. Erm wait - do we wanna enforce that last one for Gym Leaders too? Some gym leaders and Elite 4 members have used 2 of the same pokemon, a lot actually. LANCE. With his 2 illegal Dragonite. lol.



    xD I'm so hoping the actual leaders, whomever gets the roles - actually use teams like this. It'd be so much fun hahaah.

    Also Wigglytuff is a monster, it's not at all about peace. I hear it's committed terrible crimes.

    I meant no bans on movesets- smogon or not. Are the leaders using the in-game gym leaders'a pokemon or their own with their own moveset. Example: in X and Y, the rock type gym had a Tyrantrum, but the gym leader from our community at want to opt for a Rampardos instead. Are the gym types the same as in the game, or not?
     

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  • I meant no bans on movesets- smogon or not. Are the leaders using the in-game gym leaders'a pokemon or their own with their own moveset. Example: in X and Y, the rock type gym had a Tyrantrum, but the gym leader from our community at want to opt for a Rampardos instead. Are the gym types the same as in the game, or not?

    I'm gonna opt for our own builds, if I was forced to use the same pokemon that gym leaders used in the games I'd be sad cause I wasn't able to use my own :/
     

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    I would like to sign up for this :) i like everything i read so far. Who can i contact to be updated with any information/getting started and whatnot?
    We're actually still discussing and setting up everything, but you're welcome to join in the conversation here.

    I meant no bans on movesets- smogon or not. Are the leaders using the in-game gym leaders'a pokemon or their own with their own moveset. Example: in X and Y, the rock type gym had a Tyrantrum, but the gym leader from our community at want to opt for a Rampardos instead. Are the gym types the same as in the game, or not?
    The Showdown half of the league is going to have to abide by Smogon's rules, since Showdown uses Smogon's rules and we can't really change that. The 3DS half doesn't have to follow any specific rules, though we will obviously have to set a few rules ourselves.

    I don't think that we're restricting ourselves to the types and Pokemon used in the actual games.

    And about the little tournament to decide the E4 and Champion slots: I'd rather that it be this weekend.

    Oh, and I call Dragon type. Just saying.
     

    BadPokemon

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  • I'm gonna opt for our own builds, if I was forced to use the same pokemon that gym leaders used in the games I'd be sad cause I wasn't able to use my own :/

    Yea, I agree 100%. I don't want to be limited to the same builds and pokemon, either. We have our own pokemon that we love to use and worked hard to breed and raise.
     

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  • I'd say that a gym leader could use any Pokemon that at least is part of whatever type they are.

    Also I disagree on the 3:3 wild cards, no one wants to be like Flint in DP. One wildcard at most, possibly two. Gyms are meant to be specialized, and having that many wildcards is the antithesis of that.
     

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  • I would like to sign up for this :) i like everything i read so far. Who can i contact to be updated with any information/getting started and whatnot?

    I'll keep you posted mate. :P Subscribe to the thread if you want consistency though. My memory, isss questionable haha. But awesome! Glad to have you on board.

    We should start a sign up sheet for X/Y + Showdown contenders.

    I meant no bans on movesets- smogon or not. Are the leaders using the in-game gym leaders'a pokemon or their own with their own moveset. Example: in X and Y, the rock type gym had a Tyrantrum, but the gym leader from our community at want to opt for a Rampardos instead. Are the gym types the same as in the game, or not?

    Hah, as long as there's no Dark Void - I think I'm good :P

    And I think our own pokemon and teams should be permitted. It'll add a lot of fun for both challengers and leaders to have that added aspect. Besides, finding someone to use only pokemon a bug gym leader has used... xD That poor trainer.
     

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  • I'll keep you posted mate. :P Subscribe to the thread if you want consistency though. My memory, isss questionable haha. But awesome! Glad to have you on board.

    We should start a sign up sheet for X/Y + Showdown contenders.



    Hah, as long as there's no Dark Void - I think I'm good :P

    And I think our own pokemon and teams should be permitted. It'll add a lot of fun for both challengers and leaders to have that added aspect. Besides, finding someone to use only pokemon a bug gym leader has used... xD That poor trainer.
    Don't think it would be THAT BAD because you could use Pokemon the leaders used in aftergame rematches, but still, you shouldn't be limited by that. Hopefully the monotypes encourage some creative strategies.
     

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  • We're actually still discussing and setting up everything, but you're welcome to join in the conversation here.


    The Showdown half of the league is going to have to abide by Smogon's rules, since Showdown uses Smogon's rules and we can't really change that. The 3DS half doesn't have to follow any specific rules, though we will obviously have to set a few rules ourselves.

    I don't think that we're restricting ourselves to the types and Pokemon used in the actual games.

    And about the little tournament to decide the E4 and Champion slots: I'd rather that it be this weekend.

    Oh, and I call Dragon type. Just saying.

    This weekend doesn't work for me. It should be held over a decided date once all the rules and stuff have been layed out. We could do a battle spot battle or vgc on showdown, but neither provide 6 v 6 and singles.

    I call flying type gym. Its my favorite type.
     

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  • This weekend doesn't work for me. It should be held over a decided date once all the rules and stuff have been layed out. We could do a battle spot battle or vgc on showdown, but neither provide 6 v 6 and singles.

    I call flying type gym. Its my favorite type.


    Oh you and I are so going to have to fight for that xD

    But um, I know Wifi battles on X/Y can support 6 v 6 with capped at level 50 pokemon, I'd imagine Showdown has it too since you can customize just about everything there. We don't have to do it this weekend though, but I'm unavailable next weekend since it's my vacation, and I'm going to Baltimore for the whole time. Possibly devoid of Wifi too :P

    I'd just like to hold the battles as soon as possible, while interest is still piqued - to get the maximum turnout and hopefully get the best potential people on board.
     

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  • I'll keep you posted mate. :P Subscribe to the thread if you want consistency though. My memory, isss questionable haha. But awesome! Glad to have you on board.

    We should start a sign up sheet for X/Y + Showdown contenders.



    Hah, as long as there's no Dark Void - I think I'm good :P

    And I think our own pokemon and teams should be permitted. It'll add a lot of fun for both challengers and leaders to have that added aspect. Besides, finding someone to use only pokemon a bug gym leader has used... xD That poor trainer.

    Thank you!! Is it too soon to call dibs on the ghost type gym/elite ^.^ hehehe i would love that!!
     

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    6v6 Singles is the standard battle format on Showdown, so that's not a problem either.

    I can do the tourney on weekdays too, it's just that I'm not available all day then because of work.
     

    Polar Spectrum

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  • I think first we need to decide (by battle) who gets to be leaders, then we can delegate types. Since the people who win, may not be satisfied or have the available pokemon immediately for what types they get stuck with. :P

    So in order for everyone to be able to pick their type most efficiently, we need to pick who's picking hah.
     
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  • I'd say that a gym leader could use any Pokemon that at least is part of whatever type they are.

    Also I disagree on the 3:3 wild cards, no one wants to be like Flint in DP. One wildcard at most, possibly two. Gyms are meant to be specialized, and having that many wildcards is the antithesis of that.

    The purpose of monotype is to make the gyms on here proportionally difficult to how they're supposed to be in the regions. Ash might have trouble against brawly, but anyone playing the games can just wreck him with swellow. Now if brawly has a manectric, that restores the challenge and shakes things up. Basically youre still a specialist but more oc a "competitive specialist" to keep things interesting.

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    Also, to the people who put "Im confused" in the poll, maybe ask your questions in the thread and someone could help answer them.

    Btw can I grab the steel gym?
     

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  • Oh you and I are so going to have to fight for that xD

    But um, I know Wifi battles on X/Y can support 6 v 6 with capped at level 50 pokemon, I'd imagine Showdown has it too since you can customize just about everything there. We don't have to do it this weekend though, but I'm unavailable next weekend since it's my vacation, and I'm going to Baltimore for the whole time. Possibly devoid of Wifi too :P

    I'd just like to hold the battles as soon as possible, while interest is still piqued - to get the maximum turnout and hopefully get the best potential people on board.

    BUT I CALLED IT FIRST!!! Just kidding. I'm sure we can work out some sort of agreement there. Possibly hold the tournament on showdown (I don't have a ready team and I think a lot of others don't, either). As you are the creator and head of this project, I think it should follow your schedule, but still to the convenience of others. Possibly Monday through Wednesday or Wednesday through Friday?
     

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  • Haha I think we should get a list of people participating (who are actually going to be the leaders) and then pick, as opposed to now.

    @Antebellum: Yeah, that shakes it up, but it doesn't really make sense. Can you really imagine Brawly with a Manectric? Also, the hard part about Gym Leaders is that if your one or two Pokemon that match up well against them faint, the rest of the battle may be very difficult. With the type variety that most types have (Steel, Water, for example), it shouldn't be that hard
     

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  • How can we get things started? I would like to help the most i can so we can at least have some work towards this even the slightest :) btw how would i subscribe to the thread? Been looking for a while now, forgot how :/
     

    Polar Spectrum

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  • The purpose of monotype is to make the gyms on here proportionally difficult to how they're supposed to be in the regions. Ash might have trouble against brawly, but anyone playing the games can just wreck him with swellow. Now if brawly has a manectric, that restores the challenge and shakes things up. Basically youre still a specialist but more oc a "competitive specialist" to keep things interesting.

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    Also, to the people who put "Im confused" in the poll, maybe ask your questions in the thread and someone could help answer them.

    Btw can I grab the steel gym?

    Oh hang on, whoa whoa whoa xD When you said 3:3 regular to wild card - I thought you meant 3 pokemon that matched your gyms type that are locked into your gym's roster permanently, and 3 STILL of your gyms type, that you can swap out at any time - I didn't know you meant like, completely out of the gym's element. :x This is something that should get some group input though; because I don't wanna be a dick and mandate the way I think is best.

    I had originally intended, for the challengers being locked into 6 pokemon, for 8 different typed gyms, to balance with the fact that the Leader's teams, would in fact all be monotype. If the leaders all had half their teams as various types, they could effectively (and logically) choose 3 hard counters to things that normally best their standard type. And what's to keep the leader from using or primarily banking on their 3 wild cards if the challengers team is a bit advantageous compared to the Leader's team? Personally, in the interest of sheerly being more possible for challengers, I'd *like* to see the Gyms maintain monotype teams. If that position is outnumbered on that point though, I'll for sure roll with the flex / wild card idea too. But maybe keep it to 1 or 2 instead of half the team at least? :x

    BUT I CALLED IT FIRST!!! Just kidding. I'm sure we can work out some sort of agreement there. Possibly hold the tournament on showdown (I don't have a ready team and I think a lot of others don't, either). As you are the creator and head of this project, I think it should follow your schedule, but still to the convenience of others. Possibly Monday through Wednesday or Wednesday through Friday?

    Forget my schedule, I"m only one guy in this haha. Let's aim for the time the MOST people will be available, potentially over the span of a few days I suppose, so we can get the most matches in for applicants.

    Similar to Zekrom though, I work full time and Monday through Friday, I'm only available from 5pm Central US time until around midnight Central US time on account of work from 7-5 :L But hey, I can try and stretch that a bit. I've also got Wednesday off since I start my vacation Thursday.

    How can we get things started? I would like to help the most i can so we can at least have some work towards this even the slightest :) btw how would i subscribe to the thread? Been looking for a while now, forgot how :/

    Lets start by taking names for who wants in. I'll get into that more below. And as for subscribing - at the top of the thread, on the right side below your controls and such, look for a "Thread Tools" option to click. It should give you a drop-down list, that says "Subscribe to thread" as one option. That'll keep you updated. ^^

    Haha I think we should get a list of people participating (who are actually going to be the leaders) and then pick, as opposed to now.

    @Antebellum: Yeah, that shakes it up, but it doesn't really make sense. Can you really imagine Brawly with a Manectric? Also, the hard part about Gym Leaders is that if your one or two Pokemon that match up well against them faint, the rest of the battle may be very difficult. With the type variety that most types have (Steel, Water, for example), it shouldn't be that hard


    Right. A list is something we need. Goddangit I wish I was first post... I can't edit the poll or the OP. I'll compile a list where I can though, third down's not so bad.
    On the wild card pokemon, I really don't think we need them on account of how many type matchups there are as of sixth gen. We've got a combo of just about every type that resists its common weaknesses. Flying gym for example, we've got Flying Ground, which takes off the rock and electric weaknesses, and Flying Water, which takes off the Ice, and flying electric again to take off electric, flying fighting for rock again... it goes on. I think the dual typings are enough to support a viable monotype gym. Plus again - authenticity :P


    A sidenote though -guys we really need to decide who even places as a leader before we start calling types xD It's a battle tournament not a race haha. Starting a list on the first page now.

    SO PLEASE - if you'd like to participate in the tournaments for placing as a leader, Elite, or Champion of the league - post in the thread saying so, with your PC username, wether you'll be competing on X/Y or on Showdown, and when you are available to do so! Let's make it happen! ^^
     
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