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The Hunger Games [GAME OVER]

GreenFlame said:
And also hurt our chances of winning. How impatient of you! This is why you lost your car to a smoking elf.
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Yes yes, hurt the career's chances of winning. It's unlikely that both of us are reaped. And if I got the antidote and used it on myself and you did somehow come up as a reaped, then that would only get me killed the next day. And it's not like I have a night action to make use of in that time anyways. And if you get the antidote and I am revealed as a reaped then that just makes you suspicious and will get you killed next day phase. It's a much better option to get both of us out of the way and then try to get another person lynched this day phase instead of wasting tomorrow's lynching on whoever doesn't die today.
 
Sonata said:
Yes yes, hurt the career's chances of winning. It's unlikely that both of us are reaped. And if I got the antidote and used it on myself and you did somehow come up as a reaped, then that would only get me killed the next day. And it's not like I have a night action to make use of in that time anyways. And if you get the antidote and I am revealed as a reaped then that just makes you suspicious and will get you killed next day phase. It's a much better option to get both of us out of the way and then try to get another person lynched this day phase instead of wasting tomorrow's lynching on whoever doesn't die today.
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My point is to let us both die - one by poison, and one by execution - instead of both by poison and executing a third person today. Efficiency on Reaped lives, at least, since it's likely we'll end up killing another Reaped - three in one day, not too helpul to us.

Unless someone else has a better suggestion, or info that could help us deicde who to kill, but it seems that never happens.
 
GreenFlame said:
My point is to let us both die - one by poison, and one by execution - instead of both by poison and executing a third person today. Efficiency on Reaped lives, at least, since it's likely we'll end up killing another Reaped - three in one day, not too helpul to us.

Unless someone else has a better suggestion, or info that could help us deicde who to kill, but it seems that never happens.
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You pushing this idea makes me think you're a career. I don't know that the investigator would reveal today. Maybe tomorrow, but not today. And taking out 3 people in one sitting really makes their job easier. If we both die by poison, then that opens up a spot for someone else to die by day lynch which will cause careers to start freaking out because 'hell yeah we can get two reaped in one go'.
 
Sonata said:
You pushing this idea makes me think you're a career. I don't know that the investigator would reveal today. Maybe tomorrow, but not today. And taking out 3 people in one sitting really makes their job easier. If we both die by poison, then that opens up a spot for someone else to die by day lynch which will cause careers to start freaking out because 'hell yeah we can get two reaped in one go'.
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I see your perspective, I didn't think of it that way.

Well we'll smash the antidote, and you all kill someone else as well, but try to actually plan who you kill first. I don't know if I get a vote, but I vote two things:

[BURN] Sonata's car

[KILL] Klippy
(again, I'm sorry if you're innocent, but now the evidence is just too much to ignore...pls don't h8 me)
 
Funny that GreenFlame gets accused of being a Career...then Nagi suggests killing me and there's suddenly "evidence too much to ignore" and GreenFlame votes for me. Career-level fishy behavior. :|
 
you can't tell me you're still not convinced Klippy isn't Career. i could list the mountain of evidence we have against him again here, but i really don't think that's necessary. and even that mountain has again been supplemented by your vehement defense of Juno the previous day, who has indeed turned out to be a Career. i bet you hoped we would lynch Kokoro instead, who was also Career, and then would bask in the glory of you having led us to lynch one of them, wouldn't you.

and Sonata has only outed himself as equally guilty now imo. i already thought your little exchange earlier was fishy, but jumping on Klippy's obvious ploy to get me lynched like he did ComicFanatic is too much for me.

i honestly was more suspicious of GreenFlame than Sonata up until now, but now i'm pretty convinced. GreenFlame, you should try to get the antidote. If you allow Sonata to grab it, no way he's going to then throw it away like you agreed.
 
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Ooh playful banter is incriminating. How fun. I believe the exchange to be sarcastic between us as I have played mind games before. As I said before, I haven't been paying as close attention to this game as before. All I can tell you is that I'm from District 10 and have no role. And your actions thus far have led me to believe you might be a career. Assuming makes an ass out of you and me, but it goes both ways. I am a man of my word, and should I get the antidote I will smash it. I can only hope that GreenFlame will do the same. Beyond that I have no real use as I am destined for death regardless of the outcome.

I have had the creeping feeling that you're not as innocent as you claim to be before this. Your actions and the things you've said up to this point simply haven't sat right with me. If Klippy is a career, then this is the most dysfunctional mafia I've ever seen. But it still doesn't free you from my suspicion.
 
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Klippy said:
Funny that GreenFlame gets accused of being a Career...then Nagi suggests killing me and there's suddenly "evidence too much to ignore" and GreenFlame votes for me. Career-level fishy behavior. :|
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I was already suspicious of you. Now that I'm voting, I just want to try and kill you because of the evidence.

Your behavior is arguably Career-level fishy, and at least I'm going to be dying to prove my innocence.
 
my actions and the things i've said up to this point? do you have anything on me other than my chasing down of Klippy? cause if you do, by all means, say it. i don't mind getting lynched - just remember that when you see the District 7 insignia hanging from my lifeless body, you'll know who to kill next. i've never claimed my innocence before like you insinuated, but i suppose now is as good a time as any.

there's no need to get your panties in a bunch just cause i mentioned your apparently sarcastic exchange. i happened to find it suspicious, but i admit it's very circumstantial and not a great basis for suspicion at all. your defending of Klippy, whom we have a lot of evidence against, is much more questionable after all \(-ㅂ-)/

i wonder why you think this mafia is dysfunctional though. the nature of this game is that the Careers can't target anyone directly, and so they have to rely on the daily Lynch to get rid of anyone specific, which if you ask me, Klippy has been making masterful use of. so how exactly does him being Career make this mafia dysfuntional?
 
The only real reason we have to suspect Klippy as being a career is his vehement defence of Juno earlier on. If that is "evidence too much to ignore" then I'll eat my hat. Back then it was a toss up between Gunner and Juno, and lets be honest, who would you trust more out of the two? We all know Gunner is very good at this game, and could very easily have been playing us for fools. That's the attitude I would have taken too, however this time it was wrong, and Klippy got the stick. Oops. Not everyone makes the right choices, but everything else he's said we haven't been able to prove wrong. Just saying.

This situation with the poison and needing an antidote is strange, and would make zero amounts of sense if no Careers were involved, otherwise it'd just be favouring the Careers outright, which kinda defeats the purpose of the game, right? So if that's the case, then either GreenFlame or Sonata is a Career. But what I don't like is the set up for a lynch on Klippy straight after you and Sonata die, GreenFlame. Sure, he's not suspicion-free, but I hardly thing there is "evidence too much to ignore" when all he's really done that was incriminating was defend Juno. Everything else he's said and done hasn't been a lie, or at least we haven't proven it to be such. Furthermore, Nagi jumped straight onto your words there, which leads me to think this is an organised attack, which only points to you being Careers.

I'm open to hear your responses to this though, so I'm leaving my vote open for now. At this point, you don't want to get hasty in killing people, which you are doing (suspicious).
 
Ninja Aiden said:
The only real reason we have to suspect Klippy as being a career is his vehement defence of Juno earlier on. If that is "evidence too much to ignore" then I'll eat my hat. Back then it was a toss up between Gunner and Juno, and lets be honest, who would you trust more out of the two? We all know Gunner is very good at this game, and could very easily have been playing us for fools. That's the attitude I would have taken too, however this time it was wrong, and Klippy got the stick. Oops. Not everyone makes the right choices, but everything else he's said we haven't been able to prove wrong. Just saying.

This situation with the poison and needing an antidote is strange, and would make zero amounts of sense if no Careers were involved, otherwise it'd just be favouring the Careers outright, which kinda defeats the purpose of the game, right? So if that's the case, then either GreenFlame or Sonata is a Career. But what I don't like is the set up for a lynch on Klippy straight after you and Sonata die, GreenFlame. Sure, he's not suspicion-free, but I hardly thing there is "evidence too much to ignore" when all he's really done that was incriminating was defend Juno. Everything else he's said and done hasn't been a lie, or at least we haven't proven it to be such. Furthermore, Nagi jumped straight onto your words there, which leads me to think this is an organised attack, which only points to you being Careers.

I'm open to hear your responses to this though, so I'm leaving my vote open for now. At this point, you don't want to get hasty in killing people, which you are doing (suspicious).
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Do you remember the PM Klippy "shared"? It's suspicious that:
  • He claims to protect a whole zone - why the heck would the medic have this power? How is it possible for Reaped to lose?
  • He's faked PMs before
  • He is very likely using the "Medic" lie to deter us from killing him

Not only that, but Nagi seems to have a strong conviction to want him dead, and it doesn't seem to be because she's a Career, given Klippy's extremely suspicious "Medic" behaviour.

We have to kill someone today. I've already said that Sonata and I can die, and you'll see our (well, mine at least) innocence. I want us to kill Klippy though, he's the most suspicious person here.
 
GreenFlame said:
Do you remember the PM Klippy "shared"? It's suspicious that:
  • He claims to protect a whole zone - why the heck would the medic have this power? How is it possible for Reaped to lose?
  • He's faked PMs before
  • He is very likely using the "Medic" lie to deter us from killing him

Not only that, but Nagi seems to have a strong conviction to want him dead, and it doesn't seem to be because she's a Career, given Klippy's extremely suspicious "Medic" behaviour.

We have to kill someone today. I've already said that Sonata and I can die, and you'll see our (well, mine at least) innocence. I want us to kill Klippy though, he's the most suspicious person here.
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Every game is different, but as things go, that's not as overpowered as you seem to think. The reaped can lose by simply not going to the same region as Klippy, and his night action can be cancelled by the Career who can negate night actions. He doesn't become invincible using his power to protect a zone, it is simply this game's variant of the Medic. Or so I read it anyway.

You used the argument of previously faking PMs before, and it's a stupid argument, because just because he did it in a previous game doesn't mean in any case that he'd do it again. Just because of what he's done/what role he was before has no impact on what happens within this game. Drop that argument because it has no grounds whatsoever.

As I have already said, Klippy so far hasn't lied about being the Medic. We haven't proven that his ability is fake, and he hasn't given us any reason to believe otherwise, other than your misplaced suspicions. Like seriously, why does him being the medic make you suspicious? Because he helped people who sat in the River survive? Klippy couldn't help that others decided to hide in the Forest instead and ended up dead. If it's because of this that you distrust Klippy as the medic, I have a feeling you're falling into a Career trap, or you ARE the Career. Time will tell I guess.

But I highly disagree that Klippy is the most suspicious here. There is very little solid ground for the arguments against him you are using. He isn't suspicion free, no. but then who is? We have no way to guarantee he's the Medic unless he protects and area and the Careers choose it too.

The thing is, if Klippy says an area to hide in, and the Careers vote another area, then they either don't have their ability to negate Klippy's, or they want us to continue being suspicious against Klippy, which doesn't get us anywhere, and gives the Careers free reign to whittle us down one by one during the night phases. If the Careers vote the same area then they will have the ability to negate Klippy's ability and people will die, incriminating Klippy and killing off a valuable asset to us.

They way this seems to be playing out, remaining suspicious of Klippy only benefits the Careers at this point. And your insistence of killing Klippy only makes me more suspicious of you, and hence those following your arguments, because of how much this will benefit the Careers. I think we need to look elsewhere for clues against people who we can determine are more definitely Careers than Klippy, because as I have said, suspecting Klippy is getting us nowhere. We can come back to him later, when we have more to work on.

Nagi needs to convince me now that she's not a Career working with you, or around you to worsen the situation for us.
 
Ninja Aiden said:
Every game is different, but as things go, that's not as overpowered as you seem to think. The reaped can lose by simply not going to the same region as Klippy, and his night action can be cancelled by the Career who can negate night actions. He doesn't become invincible using his power to protect a zone, it is simply this game's variant of the Medic. Or so I read it anyway.

You used the argument of previously faking PMs before, and it's a stupid argument, because just because he did it in a previous game doesn't mean in any case that he'd do it again. Just because of what he's done/what role he was before has no impact on what happens within this game. Drop that argument because it has no grounds whatsoever.

As I have already said, Klippy so far hasn't lied about being the Medic. We haven't proven that his ability is fake, and he hasn't given us any reason to believe otherwise, other than your misplaced suspicions. Like seriously, why does him being the medic make you suspicious? Because he helped people who sat in the River survive? Klippy couldn't help that others decided to hide in the Forest instead and ended up dead. If it's because of this that you distrust Klippy as the medic, I have a feeling you're falling into a Career trap, or you ARE the Career. Time will tell I guess.

But I highly disagree that Klippy is the most suspicious here. There is very little solid ground for the arguments against him you are using. He isn't suspicion free, no. but then who is? We have no way to guarantee he's the Medic unless he protects and area and the Careers choose it too.
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Exhibit A - Klippy's "PM" does not match role description:
District 9 - [Medic]
You can save anyone from being killed off. As many times as you like. Just make sure you're not protecting a Career, yeah?​
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Exhibit B - Klippy cannot legally share real PMs (and there is no proper reason he should get an exception from eros):
❋ No PM Sharing
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And now I'm suspicious of you for defending him. It doesn't matter for me, since I'm gonna die anyway, and you'll see I'm innocent. The evidence against Klippy looks pretty damning to me - you can't just brush it off.
 
If Klippy hadn't been allowed to share his PM, then even a forged one would have broken the rules, and would get him killed by Eros for doing so. The fact that Klippy is still alive seems to contradict this. But I can understand the confusion, and think that if a player is allowed to share a PM, then this fact should be made public to all players, to prevent conspiracy theories rising (Eros is in fact a Career and this whole game is a lie :O).

Not that it is a counter argument, but the original post describing the Medic's role wasn't really descriptive at all. That gives us no idea how the ability works at all, and the PM would have to have described this, which it did. Klippy's PM may or may not be forged, but the way it's written doesn't seem off to me. It doesn't read like Klippy wrote it, more like Eros did in fact write, reading their styles of posting. That's weak I know, and I'm not using it to specifically counter your argument at this point, just as a point to consider here.

I do also agree that there is no real reason why he would have been allowed to share the PM, but Eros has also said other things that have been without reason that have significantly changed the game. It's not out of the bounds of possibility is what I'm saying here, though I agree suspect.

For clarity, I don't disagree with you saying Klippy is suspicious, what I disagree with is you saying he is the most suspicious person here.

EDIT: Also, I am a tad annoyed that you seem to not want to look at the situation as a whole, and how this affects us as a whole. This whole situation with Klippy is damning to everyone, not just him. I don't see how anyone but the Careers benefit from Klippy being a suspect, and furthermore killed.
 
I'm pretty sure eros would have at least said "You can save one zone from harm each night" in the description. That description only says "You can save anyone from being killed off.". I really, really doubt eros would have been this vague if the role wasn't a normal Medic role.

I believe that I can use the fact that he's faked PMs before, since he is the only one who's done it, and most people found that "Patriotic Blue" PM pretty convincing - look where that went? He used the "bomb" as a a deterrent for killing him there as well.


But can you tell me, if Klippy isn't the most suspicious here, who is?

How can you say killing him will benefit the Careers, if he's already the most suspect? No bandwagon has started for Klippy's death yet, so how can you say the Careers want him dead?

The only other situation I can think of is that Klippy is an ordinary Reaped, using the "Medic" to distract the Roleblocker.


I'm going to be dead after this phase, so I'm trying to put all my thoughts.
 
I know Juno was already killed and was the Career, but I'm not really convinced that makes Gunner innocent. I would say for myself she is still equally as suspect as Klippy. She hasn't said anything in quite a while... In this situation I'm thinking maybe the Careers don't even have to try and convince us to vote someone, or provide a majority vote to push things their way. Perhaps we should be focusing on people who had input earlier, who have given none recently...

Using occurrences from a previous game as proof for something in a current game is bogus. Just because something happened in a previous game has no effect whatsoever on the current game. It is a new event, and should be treated as such, not a continuation of an old event.

I never said that just Klippy's death would benefit the Careers, I said this whole situation. Regardless of whether Klippy is Career or not, this day will end with someone getting lynched, and the outcome of that will result in backlash for the person that was wrong. Since I've no reason to believe otherwise, that means bad times for either me or Nagi, should we lynch Klippy. Now, you're insistent that you're a Reaped, GF, so following that then Nagi would likely also be a Reaped. That means that we will lose at least two reaped today (three if Sonata is also actually Reaped, which would be weird if both of your were but hey) because regardless whether Nagi or I get lynched, we say bye to another Reaped. How's about we change tactics and try and look into someone else altogether, and really throw off the Careers, who could easily manipulate the current situation to their advantage?
 
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