Serious U.K Election Thread ( December 12th election )

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    Okay I am going to try something new here, in trying to make a non debate political election thread.

    For those in the U.K.
    Will you vote in the election?
    For which party?
    For which specific member of parliament?
    What do you predict parliament will look like after the election?
    What is the most important issue of this election?

    For those outside of the U.K.
    What party best represents your beliefs?
    Would party would you vote for if you could?
    What do you predict parliament will look like after this election?

    If some one wants to make a more debate worthy thread please do so, I just wanted a more civil prediction thread in which people can feel free to voice how they feel about the election and how they think it will turn out.


    If you want to post polls or updates please do so!

    Feel free to use this to show how you think parliament will look like after the election!

    https://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/userpoll.html
     
    It's... december 12th...

    Labour supporter here -I'm a card-carrying, fee-paying member of its Spanish sister party-, not particularly hot about Corbyn but, well, anything would be better than Alexander de Pfeffel.

    This said, if I lived there, I'd check a tactical voting site to make sure the constituency where I live is not a Lib Dem - Tory place, because if it were, I'd vote Lib Dem straight away (because 'anything' includes the Lib Dems).

    And I expect a hung parliament, much like in 2017, but hopefully with enough changes so a Tory-DUP coalition no longer adds up and a Labour-led "rainbow coalition" can get in instead.
     
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    Likelihood of hung parliament. Propaganda campaign against Corbyn is ott as it was last time but Boris is making May look like a master tactician publicly and a good bulk of the population know they cant afford to let the Tories stay
     
    I'll be voting Labour...for all the difference it's going to make. My vote is basically going to be ignored. In the 2017 election the Conservatives got 60% of the votes here, and the chances of around 20,000 people changing their minds is pretty slim.

    The best case scenario is a hung parliament, although I have absolutely no idea where we're going to go after that given how stubborn party leaders are being about red lines. I can't see Corbyn backing indyref2 on Sturgeon's timetable for it, which means that he won't be getting SNP support. The Lib Dems aren't going to back some of his policies, so he won't be getting much support from them either. Maybe the best case scenario is that he'll be in much the same position the Conservatives have been with the DUP - propped up and let down where it matters most to him. Honestly I think in the case of a hung parliament we will see Corbyn in office with a lot of caveats, because nobody wants Boris in office. Corbyn isn't the best choice, but he's definitely a better choice.

    Worst case scenario is some kind of nightmarish Johnson-Farage alliance or a Conservative majority. Another decade of Tory austerity and that Brexit deal would fuck this country over...or what was left of it, anyway.

    The most important issue of this election is clearly meant to be Brexit. I mean, that's the whole reason Johnson called it. That's worked out about as well for him as it did for May though, given the storm around the NHS right now.
     
    Just a reminder to everyone to please vote today/tomorrow! Feel free to post who you voted for, were your polling locations busy or empty etc.

    However the most important thing is to vote!
     
    Praying the country sees a smidgen of sense and Labour comes up tops. Really can't take another 10 years of this lmao

    I'd rather see austerity dealt with, NHS pulled out of the rut and climate change addressed above other things (Brexit). I'm trying to remain positive and optimistic, although that didn't particularly make a difference for GE 15 & 17 and the referendum
     
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    The latest polls have narrowed the Conservative majority, but they're still favoured to win with the odds of a hung Parliament in close second...honestly, I feel ill thinking about it. I am going to quietly hope and pray the SNP reclaim the seats they lost in the last election (which I think is fairly possible, given that Ruth Davidson is now gone and Scotland voted to Remain) and that the marginals don't sway the wrong way. It would be fantastic if Boris lost his seat but I won't hold my breath...and even if he did I doubt he would resign, because the man has no shame whatsoever. I think a Labour majority would be too much to hope for at this point.

    But I don't see how people can be so...thoughtless. Voting for the Conservatives is a vote for another decade of austerity, Brexit with no final say, the NHS being sold off to Trump, and a small rich minority profiting at the expense of literally everyone else. I know Corbyn is not a great choice, but surely Corbyn on a leash is better than a wild, rabid Boris doing whatever the fuck he feels like and plunging this country into an even deeper pit? The Conservatives have done nothing but make this country worse and I just...don't understand why people would vote for them. Well, I understand why the older generation and the rich would vote for them. But...ugh.

    Two and a half hours until the exit poll...I am not looking forward to this. I'm not superstitious but I have a feeling that the results being revealed on Friday the 13th will be well-timed...
     
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    Exit polls just dropped Conservatives are expected to win 368 seats vs 191 for Labour. Is this the end for Corbyn if the results hold?

    Results should be out within the next hour.

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2019/12/12/world/europe/uk-elections-brexit.amp.html

    Edit: Sky news now predicts.

    Conservatives: 358-368 seats
    Labour Party: 192-202 seats

    Edit: Sky news now predicts

    Con seats 363-369 (midpoint 366).
    LAB 193-199 (midpoint 196)
    MAJORITY 76-88 (midpoint 82)
     
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    This is waking up to a nightmare. The worst possible outcome. I am both disgusted and disappointed in the people of the United Kingdom for voting for that lying fascist.

    I need to find a way to move to Scotland, because after tonight there is no way indyref2 won't be happening in the near-ish future. You can see the dividing lines pretty clearly on the map.

    I also need to stop following along with politics because this isn't going to do my anxiety levels any favours...
     
    This is waking up to a nightmare. The worst possible outcome. I am both disgusted and disappointed in the people of the United Kingdom for voting for that lying fascist.

    I need to find a way to move to Scotland, because after tonight there is no way indyref2 won't be happening in the near-ish future. You can see the dividing lines pretty clearly on the map.

    I also need to stop following along with politics because this isn't going to do my anxiety levels any favours...

    I'm applying for Canada myself, let the rats wallow on the ship theyve sunk
     
    This is waking up to a nightmare. The worst possible outcome. I am both disgusted and disappointed in the people of the United Kingdom for voting for that lying fascist.
    You and me both. It's thanks to them that the NHS is done - health care's gonna cost thousands from here on out because of everyone who voted Conservative. Just as many people will die because they won't be able to afford hospital bills.
     
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    Sad to hear the the election went the way it did, and I'm not even from the UK.

    A couple of questions though:
    the NHS being sold off to Trump
    I need to find a way to move to Scotland,
    I'm not sure what is meant by "the NHS being sold off to Trump" or how it's possible for him to buy it?

    Isn't Scotland part of the UK, so going to Scotland wouldn't allow you to escape?
     
    I'm not sure what is meant by "the NHS being sold off to Trump" or how it's possible for him to buy it?
    I will probably not do a very good of explaining this, but...there has been a lot of talk around the UK-US trade deal and what that's going to mean for drug prices if access to the NHS is a part of it. The NHS has a monopoly (or close enough) on drug purchasing in the UK, so drug prices here are much cheaper.

    The worst thing is that they've already talked about it. This article explains the leaked US-UK trade deal document better than I could. Both Trump and Boris have denied the NHS would be on the table during negotiations, but it's already been discussed, and Trump has done far too much whining about the prices paid for US drugs, so their denials aren't really all that credible. As is typical of politicians, they've done a complete turnaround - Trump first said that everything would be on the table if there was a US-UK trade deal, and more recently he said he wanted nothing to do with the NHS...to bolster Boris' position, no doubt. Within a few months he's going to be saying the NHS needs to be part of the deal again, and now that Boris has no limits on what he can do, he is probably going to agree under the justification that it's the only way to get a trade deal with the US, or that the benefits gained will make up for that one small concession.

    If the NHS gets privatised, the cost of drugs - and the prices - are going to skyrocket. A lot of people in the US can't afford medical treatment, and a trade deal that included the NHS would likely see the same circumstances in the UK. The NHS is by no means a perfect system, but in this country you're entitled to free healthcare regardless of how much money you have. That seems to offend the Conservative Party, who have consistently strangled the NHS with budget cuts since they came into power. A trade deal with the US that included the NHS would likely be justified as a way to inject more money into the system, but it'd be the taxpayer who footed the bill once the drug prices started rising.

    tl;dr Selling the NHS to Trump is more about allowing US drug firms more access to it and the inevitable rising costs that would ensue.

    ...maybe I'm exaggerating or jumping to conclusions, or have no idea what I'm talking about. But as far as I'm concerned they shouldn't be discussing privatising the national health service at all.

    Isn't Scotland part of the UK, so going to Scotland wouldn't allow you to escape?
    I think it's almost guaranteed at this point that indyref2 - a second Scottish independence referendum - is going to happen, and this time the Scottish people will vote to Leave. Scotland voted primarily to Remain in the 2016 EU referendum, and Nicola Sturgeon has been raving on about how England voting to Leave and Scotland voting to Remain gives them mandate for a second independence referendum.

    The SNP won significantly more seats in this election, and she's already said that she is going to formally request it on that basis, and whilst Boris will refuse, she will probably take it to the courts. Whether or not the UK Supreme Court would find in her favour remains to be seen. But there is a Scottish Parliament election in 2021, and if the SNP win a majority in that, indyref2 will happen if it doesn't before then.

    ...of course, this is assuming that Brexit is an unmitigated disaster and the Scottish people vote for the SNP in the 2021 Scottish Parliament election. But I have absolutely no faith in Boris making anything other than a mess of it.


    I'm not a politics student, there is a lot of misinformation and rhetoric floating around on the internet and circulating in amongst parties - I mean, misinformation is basically the main reason Brexit is a thing in the first place - and I expect there are other people here with a better grasp of the realities of the situation than I have. But at the very least, the existence of a US-UK trade deal document with drug patents and prices being discussed doesn't really bode well, and it's not hard to imagine the SNP duplicating the circumstances the first independence referendum were held under in the near future, and the result going a very different way this time.
     
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    Voted for Labour, Bristol ended up Labour so we did our part, shame the rest of the country didn't,

    I want to leave the EU ASAP as the uncertainty is causing more damage than good and companies are being over cautious especially line of work I'm in and I'm happy with a no deal brexit and the tories are the best option for that at the mo but that's where their usefulness ends, they have messed the country up for the last 9 years and their manifesto pretty much admitted that by undoing some of the damage done to the police force and NHS, shame we are stuck with that stupid universal credit, it has screwed a lot of the north over who had to switch to it, don't think it's down south yet but I feel for the people who will have to switch to it, more and more families will end up at food banks and that is sad to think we need to fix the country first and labour we're the best option for that
     
    I will probably not do a very good of explaining this, but...there has been a lot of talk around the UK-US trade deal and what that's going to mean for drug prices if access to the NHS is a part of it. The NHS has a monopoly (or close enough) on drug purchasing in the UK, so drug prices here are much cheaper.

    The worst thing is that they've already talked about it. This article explains the leaked US-UK trade deal document better than I could. Both Trump and Boris have denied the NHS would be on the table during negotiations, but it's already been discussed, and Trump has done far too much whining about the prices paid for US drugs, so their denials aren't really all that credible. As is typical of politicians, they've done a complete turnaround - Trump first said that everything would be on the table if there was a US-UK trade deal, and more recently he said he wanted nothing to do with the NHS...to bolster Boris' position, no doubt. Within a few months he's going to be saying the NHS needs to be part of the deal again, and now that Boris has no limits on what he can do, he is probably going to agree under the justification that it's the only way to get a trade deal with the US, or that the benefits gained will make up for that one small concession.

    If the NHS gets privatised, the cost of drugs - and the prices - are going to skyrocket. A lot of people in the US can't afford medical treatment, and a trade deal that included the NHS would likely see the same circumstances in the UK. The NHS is by no means a perfect system, but in this country you're entitled to free healthcare regardless of how much money you have. That seems to offend the Conservative Party, who have consistently strangled the NHS with budget cuts since they came into power. A trade deal with the US that included the NHS would likely be justified as a way to inject more money into the system, but it'd be the taxpayer who footed the bill once the drug prices started rising.

    tl;dr Selling the NHS to Trump is more about allowing US drug firms more access to it and the inevitable rising costs that would ensue.

    ...maybe I'm exaggerating or jumping to conclusions, or have no idea what I'm talking about. But as far as I'm concerned they shouldn't be discussing privatising the national health service at all.


    I think it's almost guaranteed at this point that indyref2 - a second Scottish independence referendum - is going to happen, and this time the Scottish people will vote to Leave. Scotland voted primarily to Remain in the 2016 EU referendum, and Nicola Sturgeon has been raving on about how England voting to Leave and Scotland voting to Remain gives them mandate for a second independence referendum.

    The SNP won significantly more seats in this election, and she's already said that she is going to formally request it on that basis, and whilst Boris will refuse, she will probably take it to the courts. Whether or not the UK Supreme Court would find in her favour remains to be seen. But there is a Scottish Parliament election in 2021, and if the SNP win a majority in that, indyref2 will happen if it doesn't before then.

    ...of course, this is assuming that Brexit is an unmitigated disaster and the Scottish people vote for the SNP in the 2021 Scottish Parliament election. But I have absolutely no faith in Boris making anything other than a mess of it.


    I'm not a politics student, there is a lot of misinformation and rhetoric floating around on the internet and circulating in amongst parties - I mean, misinformation is basically the main reason Brexit is a thing in the first place - and I expect there are other people here with a better grasp of the realities of the situation than I have. But at the very least, the existence of a US-UK trade deal document with drug patents and prices being discussed doesn't really bode well, and it's not hard to imagine the SNP duplicating the circumstances the first independence referendum were held under in the near future, and the result going a very different way this time.
    Ah, thanks for explaining.

    And I don't think that you're exaggerating or jumping to conclusions or anything regarding the whole US and NHS thing. The US healthcare system is a nightmare, and allowing our conservative politicians (or most of our politicians really) anywhere near your healthcare system is undoubtedly going to make things worse.
     
    Honestly, it seems more and more that the UK secretly wants to become the US. Even ignoring that Boris looks like a knock-off Trump to begin with, the absolute gutting of the NHS is a very dramatic shift towards US-style healthcare and... t is completely beyond me why anyone would think that is a good idea. US healthcare is quite literally a joke to just about everywhere else in the world.

    Then there's Brexit... what is there that hasn't already been said about that clusterfuck? I really don't see Boris managing to make anything even close to passable out of that situation. Buckle in UK people, it's going to be a bumpy ride.
     
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