WHO MISSES MISTY!? D:

I like Misty, and she was fun while she was around, but I really support changing up the cast every so often. She was a fun and cool character, but I'm happy with all the female changes throughout the years. May was cool since she was different, Dawn was okay since she was new and (in my opinion) had a little more character than May, and I like Iris since she's a Gym Leader in the games, yet not in the animé. Keeping the same characters around (aside from Ash, I guess) isn't appealing to a lot of people, and I guess I'm just one of them.
 
I miss Misty so much. May was an okay lady companion, but i was disappointed when they added Dawn to Sinnoh.
 
Well, we'll need to bring back Misty if we are to save this show, and certainly to give her goal actual closure at the very least, as being cooped up in a gym is not even close to giving her goal any sense of closure.
 
i miss Misty a little bit, but I miss Dawn wayyy more :(

I can certainly tell that by your username @DawnLover.

And I have a feeling that Misty should return for the last saga, becuase that way, people will be hit with somewhat HARD nostalgia. Because, the second human main character should return as a main character (with Ash) so everyone's wishes here could come true.
 
I miss Misty, and Brock. Misty was amazing and was the best female lead, and after her, the female leads got weaker and weaker. May was pretty good, Dawn was okay, and Iris just plain sucks. :( And how could they replace Brock?! He was really cool, and they replaced him with Cilian, I hate him, he's such a know-it-all, it just seems kinda wrong without Brock being there. BTW why is meowth traveling with Ash and co. in the BW anime, that's just wrong!
 
I miss Misty, and Brock. Misty was amazing and was the best female lead, and after her, the female leads got weaker and weaker. May was pretty good, Dawn was okay, and Iris just plain sucks. :( And how could they replace Brock?! He was really cool, and they replaced him with Cilian, I hate him, he's such a know-it-all, it just seems kinda wrong without Brock being there. BTW why is meowth traveling with Ash and co. in the BW anime, that's just wrong!

Cilan's catchphrase is annoying. Nuff said.

Misty is a great original character, and was a good part of the comedic part of the show, and when she left, most of that comedy was sucked down the drain and Team Rocket had that comedy. And it got pretty dull after a while.

Brock was also a good character and treated Ash like his brother, even though he kept on hitting in girls almost every episode. When it first happened, either on Showdown in Pewter City, EP006, and The Water Flowers of Cerulean City, one of those episodes were the first where Brock hit on a girl. Brock was the main character between EP005 to DP191, and that ended off the last bit of nostalgia the show had left. The end.

And you think Ash would still be nostalgic, right? No, he got so reset you could claim that his brain was damaged or that was a fake Ash. All his old self was down the drain.

So to restore it, make the old Ash rise from a corner or bring Misty and Brock back and get rid of Iris and Cilan!

May and Dawn were great characters, and May was better than Dawn, but it looks like Iris and Cilan were remade Brock and Misty, just worst.

Repeat these words: Bring Misty or Brock back. Or make the old Ash rise from a corner and make him awesome again.

EDIT: And TR was not any better. They were serious now, and the comedy became terrible. No comedy and it was all serious. The show has been plummeting since Misty left the cast. And with Brock gone and Ash reset hard, it is as if there was no such thing as the original series!
 
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Cilan's catchphrase is annoying. Nuff said.

Misty is a great original character, and was a good part of the comedic part of the show, and when she left, most of that comedy was sucked down the drain and Team Rocket had that comedy. And it got pretty dull after a while.

Brock was also a good character and treated Ash like his brother, even though he kept on hitting in girls almost every episode. When it first happened, either on Showdown in Pewter City, EP006, and The Water Flowers of Cerulean City, one of those episodes were the first where Brock hit on a girl. Brock was the main character between EP005 to DP191, and that ended off the last bit of nostalgia the show had left. The end.

Yeah, and even before then, Brock's skirt-chasing gag ended up not only getting stale, but also somewhat tasteless and really giving heterosexual males a very bad name. (Honestly, watching some of his antics in the few episodes of DP that I watched, I couldn't tell the difference between him and either Charlie Harper/Charlie Sheen or Glenn Quagmire, it's that bad.). And to help you on what was the first episode, it was The Waterflowers of Cerulean City.

And you think Ash would still be nostalgic, right? No, he got so reset you could claim that his brain was damaged or that was a fake Ash. All his old self was down the drain.

No kidding. Several times, it doesn't even seem as though Ash was even competent in what he's doing. I mean, in Kanto, it was forgivable, because that was his first year on the job. However, he's acting like a total newb in what is, what, his fifth region? Sixth counting the Orange Islands and seventh counting the Battle Frontier? I mean, either the writers actually make Ash seem competent at the thing he's been doing for most of the show's run by now, or they should give him the boot, because this is really unacceptable.

So to restore it, make the old Ash rise from a corner or bring Misty and Brock back and get rid of Iris and Cilan!

May and Dawn were great characters, and May was better than Dawn, but it looks like Iris and Cilan were remade Brock and Misty, just worst.

I'd have to disagree with May and Dawn, though. I personally found them to be more comparable to characters such as the Fiorello Fangirls from the Pokemon episode "Princess vs. Princess", as well as the girls from Love Hina, Battle Vixens, as well as Maron from DBZ. In other words, the Female Anime Stereotype (which are basically bimboes). As for Iris, I can't comment too much on her since I haven't actually seen her at all, what I've read on her, she might at least have a standing chance to not be a Female Anime Stereotype. But then again, she also might be similar to Kaolla Su (who is a Female Anime Stereotype), so until there's definitive, undeniable evidence that she's not (ie, she, like Misty before her in Princess vs. Princess, does not react like the other girls when they squeal about something and act like animals). I do agree that Misty being removed was a very bad idea, though.

Repeat these words: Bring Misty or Brock back. Or make the old Ash rise from a corner and make him awesome again.

Yes, and in the case of Brock, if they should have him flirt with girls, at least have him do it in such a way where he isn't at the same time acting like a womanizer of Charlier Harper/Glenn Quagmire levels.

EDIT: And TR was not any better. They were serious now, and the comedy became terrible. No comedy and it was all serious. The show has been plummeting since Misty left the cast. And with Brock gone and Ash reset hard, it is as if there was no such thing as the original series!

Yeah, and to top it all off, they also beat Pikachu with new pokemon, something that should not be possible. I mean, if they wanted to highlight them as a threat, couldn't they at least beat up some of Ash's actual new pokemon just to demonstrate it?

Misty really needs to return to the show, and I honestly think that we should try to convince the writers to do so. Wishing for it isn't going to make it happen, so we might as well have to take action in some way. I'm doing a boycott, and I also organized all of my friends in doing the same, so we need something similar that would hit them where it hurts, their finances, if we are to get them to bring her back as a main character.
 
Before I write my wall of text, I'll have you guys know I do not hate Misty in any way. She was one of my favorite characters during Kanto and Johto.

A lot of the reasons I'm seeing here for wanting Misty to return are nothing past attachment to the early series/nostalgia. I think you guys are overestimating the quality of writing Pokemon has :P If she was kept around for these last, what, 600+ episodes, what then? Do you assume you'd be as interested in her as you were when you watched Kanto? She'd have gotten an episode dedicated to herself every 20 episodes if she were lucky, usually involving a similar plot that we've already seen. You can only drag on a certain character's plot for so long - Brock is a prime example. By Diamond&Pearl, he was nothing but a background character who was around just to explain typing and other things for younger viewers. He got his own episode maybe every.. 30-50 episodes (may be inaccurate since I was not heavily into D/P)? They were already worn out with thinking of new things for him since most of it was done throughout Kanto, Johto, and perhaps Hoenn. There just wasn't much they could drag on.

The popularity of Pokemon fell towards mid-late Johto which pushed them to switch out the main female as a test and frankly, it was quite successful. The pattern continues and will continue; all that's left is for you guys to accept that. Misty reached her point and will likely not return to the show.


Misty really needs to return to the show, and I honestly think that we should try to convince the writers to do so. Wishing for it isn't going to make it happen, so we might as well have to take action in some way. I'm doing a boycott, and I also organized all of my friends in doing the same, so we need something similar that would hit them where it hurts, their finances, if we are to get them to bring her back as a main character.

I really hope you're not serious. The anime is doing beyond well in Japan (which is where the episodes are scripted, storyboarded, animated, and etc) and there is no reason for them to bring back a character if they notice someone and 15 friends are boycotting. Believe me that this will be a complete waste of time. Even thousands of signatures - which you likely will not get - will not make the staff budge.

The anime is almost always in the top 10 weekly anime rankings chart... surely they're doing something right :P
 
Before I write my wall of text, I'll have you guys know I do not hate Misty in any way. She was one of my favorite characters during Kanto and Johto.

A lot of the reasons I'm seeing here for wanting Misty to return are nothing past attachment to the early series/nostalgia. I think you guys are overestimating the quality of writing Pokemon has :P If she was kept around for these last, what, 600+ episodes, what then? Do you assume you'd be as interested in her as you were when you watched Kanto? She'd have gotten an episode dedicated to herself every 20 episodes if she were lucky, usually involving a similar plot that we've already seen. You can only drag on a certain character's plot for so long - Brock is a prime example. By Diamond&Pearl, he was nothing but a background character who was around just to explain typing and other things for younger viewers. He got his own episode maybe every.. 30-50 episodes (may be inaccurate since I was not heavily into D/P)? They were already worn out with thinking of new things for him since most of it was done throughout Kanto, Johto, and perhaps Hoenn. There just wasn't much they could drag on.

The popularity of Pokemon fell towards mid-late Johto which pushed them to switch out the main female as a test and frankly, it was quite successful. The pattern continues and will continue; all that's left is for you guys to accept that. Misty reached her point and will likely not return to the show.

Actually, my reasons at least were not due to nostalgia. Nostalgia implies that I don't remember it the way I used to, which is false. I rewatched Season 1 and my memories of it were as spot on as when I first watched it. Plus, I didn't mind Johto at all, and I actually sat through that marathon in June 2nd/June 3rd on Cartoon Network. And let me also point out that I barely even watched Johto when it first aired on Kids WB, so most of the episodes I watched there WERE my first time seeing them, so nostalgia was certainly not a factor even there.

Also, for the record, she did a lot of things throughout her career as a main character even in episodes/movies that weren't focused on her. Case in point, the episode where Ash first fought against Blaine, as well as the first movie where she got Ash and co to New Island.

As for your claim about it soaring in popularity in AG, see my responses below. In fact, if AG soared in popularity (ie, ratings), it was when Misty returned.


I really hope you're not serious. The anime is doing beyond well in Japan (which is where the episodes are scripted, storyboarded, animated, and etc) and there is no reason for them to bring back a character if they notice someone and 15 friends are boycotting. Believe me that this will be a complete waste of time. Even thousands of signatures - which you likely will not get - will not make the staff budge.

The anime is almost always in the top 10 weekly anime rankings chart... surely they're doing something right :P

Actually, its doing extremely poorly in ratings according to the ratings published on Pokeani as well as an Anime site. To put it in perspective, on Pokeani, AG did even worse than Johto in terms of ratings, with the lowest rated episode ever at the time being the Pike Queen Lucy episode according to Bulbapedia. I don't know about DP or BW, but given the trends, its likely to have decreased in ratings on par with or even less than AG, as well. Even with the claims of Japan going through a birth decrease, the ratings are still far too low. As for that anime site I mentioned, on the Top 50 animes, Pokemon last I checked was bottom rung, and if it was in the top 10, it was certainly close to the bottom.

And if the Brits ended up being scared enough of us by boycotting their products when America were a colony when they had a lot more important colonies to worry about (such as India), it certainly would have some effect on the writers. After all, businesses need advertizement and money to survive, and if it decreases, they'd panic, and guess what a boycott is, ruining their sales.
 
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Before I write my wall of text, I'll have you guys know I do not hate Misty in any way. She was one of my favorite characters during Kanto and Johto.

A lot of the reasons I'm seeing here for wanting Misty to return are nothing past attachment to the early series/nostalgia. I think you guys are overestimating the quality of writing Pokemon has :P If she was kept around for these last, what, 600+ episodes, what then? Do you assume you'd be as interested in her as you were when you watched Kanto? She'd have gotten an episode dedicated to herself every 20 episodes if she were lucky, usually involving a similar plot that we've already seen. You can only drag on a certain character's plot for so long - Brock is a prime example. By Diamond&Pearl, he was nothing but a background character who was around just to explain typing and other things for younger viewers. He got his own episode maybe every.. 30-50 episodes (may be inaccurate since I was not heavily into D/P)? They were already worn out with thinking of new things for him since most of it was done throughout Kanto, Johto, and perhaps Hoenn. There just wasn't much they could drag on.

The popularity of Pokemon fell towards mid-late Johto which pushed them to switch out the main female as a test and frankly, it was quite successful. The pattern continues and will continue; all that's left is for you guys to accept that. Misty reached her point and will likely not return to the show.




I really hope you're not serious. The anime is doing beyond well in Japan (which is where the episodes are scripted, storyboarded, animated, and etc) and there is no reason for them to bring back a character if they notice someone and 15 friends are boycotting. Believe me that this will be a complete waste of time. Even thousands of signatures - which you likely will not get - will not make the staff budge.

The anime is almost always in the top 10 weekly anime rankings chart... surely they're doing something right :P

I admit, you are right. Brock became a background character and was replaced with Cilan. I admit, maybe that was good. And if Misty were to stay for all those episodes, she would get stale. So actually, replacing her was good. But I feel that Misty has not been shown or mentioned, I think, since that Buizel episode, I believe. Canons and replacing would not hurt, I think. But since Brock became a background character, maybe Cilan could stay and possibly Misty either could replace Iris or just travel with them. Seems simple enough.

No kidding. Several times, it doesn't even seem as though Ash was even competent in what he's doing. I mean, in Kanto, it was forgivable, because that was his first year on the job. However, he's acting like a total newb in what is, what, his fifth region? Sixth counting the Orange Islands and seventh counting the Battle Frontier? I mean, either the writers actually make Ash seem competent at the thing he's been doing for most of the show's run by now, or they should give him the boot, because this is really unacceptable.

I agree. They did a hard reset, the narrator even claimed he was 10! I don't get how he traveled in 5 (or 6 and 7) IN LESS THAN A ****ING YEAR. Also, Ash got Pikachu 10 years, 10 months, and 10 days after his 10th birthday, so he should be 14 or 15 by now. But I don't see the reason why not refrence the OS, AG, or DP, but Ash mentioned Tracey in BW047, which is good.

And Misty is a good character, netherless.

Oh, and thanks weedle_mchairybug for that. The episode where Brock first hit on a girl, I mean.
 
The decrease in rankings from Kanto to Johto was major, though; the writers were thinking long-term and had they not done something with the character setup or similar by the time Hoenn came around, the show may not have had much of an incentive to keep going. Replacing Misty was more or less a test that they weren't sure how to handle yet, so I wouldn't be surprised if Hoenn had lower scores to start. As they got more used to handling a new co-star, the rankings did increase :3 With the addition of Dawn, D/P has done very well rankings-wise and B/W is doing quite good as well. Not as good as Kanto, but it's obvious why - it's very hard to get that "new, unique" feeling back when the show's gone through hundreds of episodes :laugh:

I admit, you are right. Brock became a background character and was replaced with Cilan. I admit, maybe that was good. And if Misty were to stay for all those episodes, she would get stale. So actually, replacing her was good. But I feel that Misty has not been shown or mentioned, I think, since that Buizel episode, I believe. Canons and replacing would not hurt, I think. But since Brock became a background character, maybe Cilan could stay and possibly Misty either could replace Iris or just travel with them. Seems simple enough.

As for replacing Iris with Misty and keeping Cilan or something, I just don't think that'd work. Misty's ties to Kanto make it odd for her to be brought back, especially when the anime's main purpose is to advertise the games. It'd also be hard to explain her return and who she is as many kids (target audience) don't remember her. I'll use Dogasu, the webmaster of Dogasu's Backpack (website with comparisons of the Japanese and English episodes, I do recommend checking it out!), as a little sample for this:

If you haven't read it elsewhere, he asked some of his younger students (he works as a preschool teacher, I believe) general questions about Pokemon. Most of them weren't aware that Brock had parents or what Dawn's mom's name was. Mind you, he questioned them when D/P was still airing (if I recall correctly). If they cannot remember that far back (as they weren't born yet lol), what would be the point? I doubt they'd include a change as major as bringing Misty back when there really is no need to. They do drop hints at us older fans every once in a while (Tracey's name was brought up in one of the B/W episodes) so we are still acknowledged in a way.

Also, the nostalgia comment wasn't directed at anyone in particular. I just don't see anyone (or most people - I might have missed posts) post reasons that aren't claiming Misty was something along the lines of: the only comedy the show had, she was the strongest and then the females got weaker, etc... because none of that shows why Misty herself was so irreplaceable. Anyone can be comedic and anyone can be strong. It all boils down to good writing.

Not sure what you meant by nostalgia implying you don't remember it as you want to, since nostalgia is attributed towards people whose main reason for wanting something is because of its ties to the past and not whether it was actually good or not.

I'm mainly thinking from a business viewpoint in my posts by the way. I understand some of you guys love Misty and want her to return but there just isn't an incentive for that to happen right now. Sorry if I come off as mean; it's not my intention and I do respect everyone's opinions :3
 
The decrease in rankings from Kanto to Johto was major, though; the writers were thinking long-term and had they not done something with the character setup or similar by the time Hoenn came around, the show may not have had much of an incentive to keep going. Replacing Misty was more or less a test that they weren't sure how to handle yet, so I wouldn't be surprised if Hoenn had lower scores to start. As they got more used to handling a new co-star, the rankings did increase :3 With the addition of Dawn, D/P has done very well rankings-wise and B/W is doing quite good as well. Not as good as Kanto, but it's obvious why - it's very hard to get that "new, unique" feeling back when the show's gone through hundreds of episodes :laugh:

Well, either way, it was still not good. And they already had a test of this sort. Need I really remind you of Tracey Sketchitt? He replaced Brock, and look what ended up happening. And for the record, had Misty been replaced simply because of her being incompatable with the group due to being from Kanto so as to advertize the games, they wouldn't have kept Brock or even Ash in the series, pull a Digimon and replace it with an entirely new cast, so it wouldn't have been the reason.

As for replacing Iris with Misty and keeping Cilan or something, I just don't think that'd work. Misty's ties to Kanto make it odd for her to be brought back, especially when the anime's main purpose is to advertise the games. It'd also be hard to explain her return and who she is as many kids (target audience) don't remember her. I'll use Dogasu, the webmaster of Dogasu's Backpack (website with comparisons of the Japanese and English episodes, I do recommend checking it out!), as a little sample for this:

If you haven't read it elsewhere, he asked some of his younger students (he works as a preschool teacher, I believe) general questions about Pokemon. Most of them weren't aware that Brock had parents or what Dawn's mom's name was. Mind you, he questioned them when D/P was still airing (if I recall correctly). If they cannot remember that far back (as they weren't born yet lol), what would be the point? I doubt they'd include a change as major as bringing Misty back when there really is no need to. They do drop hints at us older fans every once in a while (Tracey's name was brought up in one of the B/W episodes) so we are still acknowledged in a way.

Except there ARE really young kids who remember Misty or at least know who she is. I recall when I was getting people to sign petitions that, when asking an elementary school student nearby about getting signatures, he knew who Misty was (This was also between spring semesters of my Junior Year and my Senior Year in the weight room, which was 2008 and 2009, so it's not even that long ago). Not to mention there were people who were as young as Four Years Old who knew who Misty was from Youtube videos going by comments from fellow comrades in the bring misty back group. so Dogasu is flat out wrong in that regard. Besides, there were studies as well as various Anime sources that have Misty in it, not to mention reruns of the original series airing in Japan, so its unlikely she'd be unheard of by kids (Case in point: Anime Classics Zettai!: 100 Must-See Japanese Animation as well as The Japanification of Children's Popular Culture, which were released in 2007 and 2008, respectively, and I'm pretty sure that even seven year olds would have found her in those things.).

Also, the nostalgia comment wasn't directed at anyone in particular. I just don't see anyone (or most people - I might have missed posts) post reasons that aren't claiming Misty was something along the lines of: the only comedy the show had, she was the strongest and then the females got weaker, etc... because none of that shows why Misty herself was so irreplaceable. Anyone can be comedic and anyone can be strong. It all boils down to good writing.

Look, if you ever watched/read or at least heard of Love Hina, Battle Vixens, or heck, saw how those Fiorello Fangirls acted in the episode Princess vs. Princess, or how Maron behaved in Dragon Ball Z, and then looked at May and Dawn and how they behaved in the show and how they were designed as well as how those girls acted and looked in the various sources I listed, I think you'll understand EXACTLY why I felt they were worse than Misty and why I dislike them intensely, if not hate them for being a terrible stereotype on females, as well as why, at least for me, I felt Misty was genuinely unique and needed to be retained for the girls to emulate. Namely, if you saw how Misty acted in comparison to the Fiorello Fangirls in PvP, you'll see what I mean. I mean, if you had kids and you saw a character who essentially stripped in front of company, I don't think you'd want your kids to see it either, maybe even go as far as to channel-lock it if you had to.

Besides, for a more show-beneficial reason, Misty's also gotten the short end of the stick in regards to her goal: I mean, she hasn't succeeded in her goal, and unlike May or Dawn, she hasn't even gotten the consolation prize of continuing with her journey. Instead, she's staying at a gym to inevitably end up like JJM (ie, lose against rookie trainers and/or rookie pokemon easily and pathetically). She has to return so she at least has a chance to continue her journey.

Not sure what you meant by nostalgia implying you don't remember it as you want to, since nostalgia is attributed towards people whose main reason for wanting something is because of its ties to the past and not whether it was actually good or not.

I usually hear "Nostalgia" used in that context, often interlapping with "watching/reading things with rose-colored glasses", which implies that they don't remember all the details and often only remember the good things and none of the bad things. Me? I remember everything, it's very hard for me to forget, good or bad, and my memories are the only things that seem to have any sense of self, so implying something like that makes me feel extremely angry.

I'm mainly thinking from a business viewpoint in my posts by the way. I understand some of you guys love Misty and want her to return but there just isn't an incentive for that to happen right now. Sorry if I come off as mean; it's not my intention and I do respect everyone's opinions :3

As was I. In fact, my boycott proposal (which I actually am committing, BTW), was actually based on the boycotts the colonists enacted against Great Britain.
 
Tracey was brought in not because the show was getting less viewers but because they felt Brock being "darker" was bad for the show since it was going more international. Later they decided they liked Brock and people didn't really care about his skin tone, so they brought him back :P So he wasn't as much of a test as the girls or anything and wasn't brought back because the switch was unsuccessful.

I'm sure there are younger kids who remember her, but is it an overwhelming amount? If there was a much bigger, noticeable cry of wanting Misty back it might have been considered, but even with such a claim, the show gets its good rankings and continues to do well. Keep in mind I am talking about Japanese four-six year olds who usually (italicized to remind people that I'm not generalizing!) do not have the time or interest to sit on video sites and watch videos on Misty. As for reruns, they do so poorly rankings-wise that it's clear most kids don't watch them. I was also told they air at absurd times where most kids are unable to watch them due to school, extracurricular activities, etc. And okay, the person you mentioned knew about her. But that's just knowing, not wanting. A person or two (not literally one or two people but a person or two in comparison to the anime's fanbase) just knowing about her does not say anything about why she should return.

And no, I have never seen any of the anime you listed. I'm totally lost with what you're trying to say though... are you implying May and/or Dawn were stereotypical females? Because I don't recall Misty not being in-touch with her feminine side, either. She liked to show off her bathing suit and loved to be pretty as much as the next two. Even so, Hidaka (writer and storyboarder of the anime) has admitted that they change the females so boys would have more eye candy to look at, so if you do see little things here and there it wouldn't be a surprise. You seem to be basing your debate more on your opinion rather than the the facts, which confuses me.

Well, Misty's goal was very broad. That's mostly because she was around in the very beginning, so it's inevitable that the writers wouldn't have as much competence to handle her as well as some wanted. May and Dawn had decently achievable goals in comparison to Misty and Iris, the current girl traveling with Ash, has a goal to be a dragon Pokemon master, which gives writers the opportunity to make up for their mistakes by working on Iris' similar goal. Misty doesn't have to return to continue her journey, either - they're not obliged to give her goal closure.

Anyways, I'm probably going to slow down posting since I'll be gone mostly all day tomorrow. It's been an interesting debate so far ^^
 
Can I just say that I love the above post?

I really agree with most of the Cirno's points.

I'd like to see Misty back, but not for an entire season. Not unless they were going to have a second newer female in there with her as well. Because I saw Misty for a good number of years, then she left and we saw her again in the episodes that were released as 'Pokemon Chronicles'. It just feels like more or less her story is wrapped up. It might still be technically open, but it's as closed as character stories get with the anime. If they brought her back it would seem random, and she'd need some random reason to travel with Ash again.

She would make for a cool two-parter episode, or some special of sorts, but that's about it in my opinion. I'd rather see May come back, but even then it'd still be weird to have her return as a main character.
 
Tracey was brought in not because the show was getting less viewers but because they felt Brock being "darker" was bad for the show since it was going more international. Later they decided they liked Brock and people didn't really care about his skin tone, so they brought him back :P So he wasn't as much of a test as the girls or anything and wasn't brought back because the switch was unsuccessful.

And that ultimately has to do with ratings, since if they did something people didn't like, the ratings fall. It's simple arithmetic. It's often the reason why shows often end up cancelled when ratings fall.

I'm sure there are younger kids who remember her, but is it an overwhelming amount? If there was a much bigger, noticeable cry of wanting Misty back it might have been considered, but even with such a claim, the show gets its good rankings and continues to do well. Keep in mind I am talking about Japanese four-six year olds who usually (italicized to remind people that I'm not generalizing!) do not have the time or interest to sit on video sites and watch videos on Misty. As for reruns, they do so poorly rankings-wise that it's clear most kids don't watch them. I was also told they air at absurd times where most kids are unable to watch them due to school, extracurricular activities, etc. And okay, the person you mentioned knew about her. But that's just knowing, not wanting. A person or two (not literally one or two people but a person or two in comparison to the anime's fanbase) just knowing about her does not say anything about why she should return.

The mere fact that that kid actually agreed to help with the petition back then indicated that he wanted her back. If he didn't, he would have refused outright. As for the time slots, they could have easily recorded them. That's what I do if I couldn't watch something.

And no, I have never seen any of the anime you listed. I'm totally lost with what you're trying to say though... are you implying May and/or Dawn were stereotypical females? Because I don't recall Misty not being in-touch with her feminine side, either. She liked to show off her bathing suit and loved to be pretty as much as the next two. Even so, Hidaka (writer and storyboarder of the anime) has admitted that they change the females so boys would have more eye candy to look at, so if you do see little things here and there it wouldn't be a surprise. You seem to be basing your debate more on your opinion rather than the the facts, which confuses me.

I made some videos explaining why Misty must return. I suggest you watch them if you want a better idea as to what I'm talking about, particularly the first part.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0OowSxgEcE

It also has a clip from the episode Princess vs. Princess where those girls acted like animals and Misty didn't act anything like them. Also, my mom when we watched the episode indicated that she hated how girls were portrayed in that episode, citing that specific scene as an example. In fact, she's the reason why I hold the same emotions as her. As for how I knew Misty was nothing like them? Simple, when I asked her whether Misty was acting like the thing she hated when showing her the scene where she asks for Ash and Brock's pokemon for that contest, she said she wasn't acting like them, and THEN directed me to the scene she was referring to. This was around the time the episode first aired and was released on home video, BTW. Some pics from Love Hina are on there. I would have had more on there, but the video editing software I had at the time of making the video was not good at multi-blurring, something that was essential.

And no, Misty was actually very different in that regard. Misty spent little time in her bathing suit, and she certainly doesn't try to take off her clothes to put it on in front of company, unlike, say, what May did in Brave the Wave, and she implies that she doesn't like exposing herself and wouldn't normally do so in Beauty and the Beach. And replacing females for eye-candy purposes is a very bad thing. It's no different than pornography, actually, so it's best if they didn't do that for those reasons.

Well, Misty's goal was very broad. That's mostly because she was around in the very beginning, so it's inevitable that the writers wouldn't have as much competence to handle her as well as some wanted. May and Dawn had decently achievable goals in comparison to Misty and Iris, the current girl traveling with Ash, has a goal to be a dragon Pokemon master, which gives writers the opportunity to make up for their mistakes by working on Iris' similar goal. Misty doesn't have to return to continue her journey, either - they're not obliged to give her goal closure.

If that was the case, they would have ditched Ash back at Hoenn as well. My idea is "all or nothing." Had I been running the show, and I were in their position and chose to remove Misty, I'd also remove Brock and even Ash, just for good measure. And anyways, I also was hoping that if she returns and then leaves she doesn't have to go back to the gym, making it close enough to closure to her goal.
 
First off I do miss Misty, but face it she was/is not the driving force of this show. As late Takeshi Shudo explains in his blogs she was most easily disposable when he had to make a choice between her and Team Rocket. I have accepted the fact that she's still the most popular girl in pokemon and moved on.

Even if she wasn't, that still doesn't mean they couldn't remove her. Heck, Ash isn't the driving force of the show. Ever notice how only one game actually had him in it? The GAMES are the driving force of the show now, if they weren't before. Ash isn't in the games, so he's not the driving force.

But the other girls also deserve some love and they brought new exciting things to the show.

Just because characters bring new things into something doesn't mean they are all that good. I mean, look at Scrappy Doo. He brought new things into Scooby Doo, and he was universally hated.

As for you Weedle_mchairybug, how many times would you bring that PvsP episode? May and Dawn didn't act like those girls at all through out their run in the show.

I have witnessed them acting like that. For instance, in Brave the Wave, May pretty much stripped in front of company. Not to mention some other aspects such as designing her with big boobs. Dawn was also similar enough. Besides, PvP wasn't the only example I pointed out, I also cited Love Hina and Sonsaku Hakufu. And believe me, if PvP wasn't similar enough, then these examples certainly were. And May cried when she lost the second Grand Festival. I mean, did ASH cry when he lost the Johto cup? NO.

I've watched 190/192 episodes of AG and 184/192 episodes of DP. Believe me I can tell they are not like that. Misty showed girly things too like...

As I stated before, I DID watch those characters, and know exactly how they behaved. Besides which, I also did outside research on them.


Several years later I created a project on "how girls should act in real life". I showed my classmates and teachers the clips of Misty/Jessie using hammerspace, fanservice moments, Bug hating, Whiny moments etc. I asked them "Do you want all the females of the world behave like this?" They answered "HELL NO!"
And believe me because I've seen it... they were all ready to participate in a global movement to Remove this Female Hammerspace stereotype. They all believed that Misty and Jessie are not good role-models for females in real life.

I gave a similar speech to the students in my American Lit class in my Junior Year as part of a sermon project, and I also showed them the scene in question, and I also showed them the specific scene from PvP. I also showed some images from Love Hina and May in that series. Guess what. They actually PREFERRED Misty over those examples. They unanimously stated they didn't want a character like the girls from Love Hina. And they cheered when I said that we needed to bring Misty back.

This is from Takeshi Shudo blogs on BMGF and SPPF

I'm going to copy-paste what Shudo said about Misty's existence in the anime...

"He also said that out of all characters in the show , Kasumi's existence was the least justified. She was there to draw attention of girls, because anime with boys only would be "tasteless" for them."

Going by some studies and sources, that actually is more correct.

And why she left the show. After the show got longer, there was a decline in ratings so they thought of changing something about the main characters and the villains.

That means the ratings fell in Japan while Misty was on the show (and not after that). And please don't go on a rant saying Mr.Shudo's opinions do not matter and blah.. blah.. FYI The guy was original head writer of pokemon and Brock was named (Takeshi) after him like Ash has been named after Satoshi Tajiri.

If that was the reason, then please explain why PokeAni's ratings for AG had it being even LESS than Johto's or the Original Series?

Because justification of Kasumi's existence was the weakest, she was the most endangered to leave. He says that it wasn't like he wanted to substitute her, but they needed someone with fascinating personality, whose existence was neccessary.


Also he stated that Kasumi didn't have enough charm for a girl (sexist much?).

Didn't have enough?! Several of the sources indicated differently. For example, Pikachu's Global Adventure: Rise and Fall of Pokemon stated that Misty was balanced between butch and dizzily feminine. The same source even stated that she along with Brock were necessary to give Ash some moral support, and that several kids agreed with it.

Don't believe me? Here's the sources:

The book The Japanification of Children's Popular Culture described Misty's portrayal in the anime as a mother figure, calling her a "nurturing component" for the original trio of herself, Ash and Brock.[4] It further described her as an "unusually 'complete' girl of the cartoon world", noting both her feminine sentimentality and her "explosive rage".[5] Anime Classics Zettai!: 100 Must-See Japanese Animation Masterpieces praised the character as being "particularly nuanced" and described her as contributing heavily to the series' appeal.[6] Pikachu's Global Adventure: The Rise and Fall of Pokémon stated that though the anime focused on Ash, Misty was a distinctly significant character especially to young female consumers, neither "butch" nor "dizzily feminine", seemingly "carefully constructed to appeal to preadolescent girls".[7] It added that, unlike other aggressive female characters in the series, Misty did not sacrifice her femininity to succeed, making the character further popular with young American women, a contrast to Japanese children who focused more on the individual Pokémon species to identify with.[8]

In studies on the reactions boys and girls had to the concept of Misty as a heroine in the series, girls accepted it and were eager to associate themselves with the character,[9][10] while boys attempted to belittle her efforts.[9] On the other hand, children of both genders felt the character alongside Brock gave Ash a sense of identity and moral support, which researchers attributed to the concept of group identity.[11] In another study, children were shown to associate the attributes of attractiveness and aggressiveness, while college students described the character as romantic.[12] Pikachu's Global Adventure additionally stated Misty also served as a source of non-threatening sexuality for both older and younger male viewers, though the context of such was presented in a more subtle way for North American localizations of the series.[13] Author Maria S. Barbo called Misty "talented, loyal, adventurous, and caring".[14]

4.^ West, Mark I. (2008). The Japanification of Children's Popular Culture. Rowman & Littlefield. p. 58. ISBN 0810851210.
5.^ West, Mark I. (2008). The Japanification of Children's Popular Culture. Rowman & Littlefield. p. 78. ISBN 0810851210.
6.^ Camp, Brian; Julie Davis (May 2007). Anime Classics Zettai!: 100 Must-See Japanese Animation Masterpieces. Stone Bridge Press. p. 283. ISBN 9781933330228.
7.^ Tobin, Joseph Jay (2004). Pikachu's Global Adventure: The Rise and Fall of Pokémon. Duke University Press. p. 21. ISBN 0-822-33287-6.
8.^ Tobin, Joseph Jay (2004). Pikachu's Global Adventure: The Rise and Fall of Pokémon. Duke University Press. pp. 231–232, 282. ISBN 0-822-33287-6.
9.^ a b Tobin, Joseph Jay (2004). Pikachu's Global Adventure: The Rise and Fall of Pokémon. Duke University Press. p. 176. ISBN 0-822-33287-6.
10.^ Katch, Jane (2004). They Don't Like Me: Lessons on Bullying and Teasing from a Preschool Classroom. Beacon Press. ISBN 0807023213.
11.^ Tobin, Joseph Jay (2004). Pikachu's Global Adventure: The Rise and Fall of Pokémon. Duke University Press. pp. 169–170, 177. ISBN 0-822-33287-6.
12.^ Ogletree, Shirley M.; Cristal N. Martinez, Trent R. Turner and Brad Mason (28 October 2004). "Pokémon: Exploring the Role of Gender". Sex Roles (Springer Netherlands) 50 (11-12 / June, 2004): 851–859. doi:10.1023/B:SERS.0000029102.66384.a2. ISSN (Print) 1573-2762 (Online) 0360-0025 (Print) 1573-2762 (Online).
13.^ Tobin, Joseph Jay (2004). Pikachu's Global Adventure: The Rise and Fall of Pokémon. Duke University Press. pp. 284. ISBN 0-822-33287-6.
14.^ https://books.google.com/books?id=08IRMQAACAAJ

From Wikipedia's article on Misty, and contrary to popular belief, it DOES cite sources.

I've watched your "Bring back Misty" videos on youtube. You reasons are absolutely bizarre. No wonder you got so much mocking and hate in the comments section of those videos. Ever wondered why other "Bring back Misty"(created by someone else not you) video has 70 likes and only 3 dislikes( when compared to your video which has 80 dislikes and 35 likes)? It is so because the reasons explained in that video are legitimate and hold water whereas your reasons are more based on WHAT YOU, YOUR MOM, YOUR FAMILY and YOUR CLASSMATES think. How the hell do you always seem to pass it off as a FACT? Just because you and your relatives think May/Dawn are FASs doesn't mean they are. None of them are FAS and neither is Misty/Iris for that matter.

I got 900 signatures at my school and elsewhere in the community before I even submitted it. That's enough to indicate that it is fact that people did not like how those girls were portrayed. And besides, how is Weatherford any different with Jynx? I gave similar arguements against those characters as Weatherford did with the FAS.
 
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Don't want to be involved in huge debating or something, but i decided to add my 2 cents on this.

A lot of the reasons I'm seeing here for wanting Misty to return are nothing past attachment to the early series/nostalgia.

Depends. Reason why i would like to see Misty back to show is aside from being imo great and interesting character having best chemistry with group making show more interesting when she was around, because i feel she deserves more screentime and opportunity to see some more development on screen.
Because writers never used her as much as they could leaving lot of potential unused and unexplored in her story, which cannot be denied.
And because she never got proper closure with anime not having stable cast, which would gave more identity and continuity to anime.

I think you guys are overestimating the quality of writing Pokemon has :P If she was kept around for these last, what, 600+ episodes, what then? Do you assume you'd be as interested in her as you were when you watched Kanto? She'd have gotten an episode dedicated to herself every 20 episodes if she were lucky, usually involving a similar plot that we've already seen. You can only drag on a certain character's plot for so long - Brock is a prime example. By Diamond&Pearl, he was nothing but a background character who was around just to explain typing and other things for younger viewers. He got his own episode maybe every.. 30-50 episodes (may be inaccurate since I was not heavily into D/P)? They were already worn out with thinking of new things for him since most of it was done throughout Kanto, Johto, and perhaps Hoenn. There just wasn't much they could drag on.
Depends how much potential character has. With Misty it was kinda confirmed by people who work on show how she had that.
She was designed to last for long periods having more stamina than Brock, but lacked well defined story which needed to be expanded on and reworked(something ex head writer was not interested in doing).
Problem with Brock was that his goal of breeder was very passive and you can't do much with something which isnt about battling and entering competitions. Initial issues with breeding aspect is that you cant measure much progress of someone whose carer is about taking care of pokemon and raising them to be in good shape.
They also probably felt how his role of older caretaker and mentor to group being like "older brother"was good enough for Brock character eventually being showed to be mistake making sure to avoid that with Cilan. Judging by Cilan more active involvement kinda proved writers learned on mistakes.

With Misty she always received more than Brock did(even in era where writers were inexperienced the most). With her goal it was showed how it involves battling, training, exploring as well entering tournaments being more active than Brock was warranting more screen time and exposure.
Misty can't be compared with Brock because we all know there is huge difference between their careers and personally. Using Brock as indicator to determine how would other characters be treated is not good way to determine someones position in cast. Otherwise Cilan who is intended to be his replacement wouldn't receive as much focus like its case in BW. Same goes for Iris.

If Misty stayed she would probably be treated same like its case with Iris or Cilan with her goal being better defined, more focus and emphasis being out on development of her pokemon along with possibly receiving some rivals(like current sidekicks did). Since writing improved compared to Johto days, writers realized what they were doing wrong with Misty being required to increase character role to justify further stay if TR was gone instead(according to mr.Shudo blogs) which can be already noticed in writers fixing mistakes after Shudo left increasing her focus in master Quest, and since her goal and story was more active compared to Brock she would more than likely received better treatment in AG compared to Brock.

Likewise we forgot to take in account how if Misty stayed, May would likely not join cast and i highly doubt writers would do same mistake they did in Johto turning it again in filler fest(this was their biggest mistake they did there, instead of focusing more on character stories and their development). Many people say how in that case its possible how Misty would start doing contests.

The popularity of Pokemon fell towards mid-late Johto which pushed them to switch out the main female as a test and frankly, it was quite successful. The pattern continues and will continue; all that's left is for you guys to accept that. Misty reached her point and will likely not return to the show.
Not to mention, according to Takeshi Shudo blogs, reason why Misty got removed was because of weakest role character had in cast, with ex head writer himself admitting how this was his mistake and how he should have don more with Misty by expanding on story. Instead character ended up unexplored in several fields leaving with unfinished story and lot of unused potential.
Sad but true.

After ratings started to drop in Johto they considered to add some change in cast. Decision boiled down to either Misty or Rocket trio(Jessie,James and Meowth). However as mr.Shudo made it clear he favored TR never caring much for Misty in first place, so with no further add it was decided that female part of group gets axe.

While Misty departure caused backlash among fandom with many people complaining about that, writers still took the risk introducing new character in cast(May). At first Misty was probably kept as backup plan in case May fails like Tracey did being considered to be brought back(after all she was kept relevant through hosos and many references in AG), but after May became well received and popular(not sure who is more liked and not interested in finding out), they opted to rather introduce new companions with each new generation to better go in correlation with games and their promotion.

That and as it was already explained in interview with ex pokemon director(Masamitsu Hidaka)on pokeback(back in 2008), how writers rather want to switch up girls to try out new designs and provide new "eye candy"to male audience with each new generation(as sexist as that may sound).

I reckon, only possible way of Misty becoming major character again at this point is if writers decide to reuniting Ash, Misty and Brock when pokemon comes to an end with purpose of things coming to full circle to emphasize better on show going back to its roots if they decide to end it in such way.
Original trio was proven to be successful being extremely popular to this day starting pokemon series becoming iconic and most recognizable group in this show so i wouldn't completely rule out possibility of getting them reunited for last season or something with demand for it being huge among fans.

Especially if another Kanto remakes come out making sense to use Misty and Brock to help promote them having marketing value behind it and justified reason to be used in that case.

As for replacing Iris with Misty and keeping Cilan or something, I just don't think that'd work. Misty's ties to Kanto make it odd for her to be brought back, especially when the anime's main purpose is to advertise the games. It'd also be hard to explain her return and who she is as many kids (target audience) don't remember her. I'll use Dogasu, the webmaster of Dogasu's Backpack (website with comparisons of the Japanese and English episodes, I do recommend checking it out!), as a little sample for this:

If writers decide to bring Misty back though i doubt marketing would represent much of issue though. In order to advertise new games you don't need new characters. Older characters can promote new games through new pokemon just fine as any new character would.
As we get to see with Ash, Brock for all this years, Team Rocket etc older characters can have marketing value too being possible to promote games through them along with new characters being showed through guest appearances like they did with HGSS remakes for example with several game protagonists from main games being ignored.

Nintendo and Game Freak could care less who is going to be in cast as long their main product and source of money(new pokemon)are being properly showcased.

Introducing well liked and popular character back could bear some fruits on table in that sense since writers would add more diversity to main cast by reintroducing to younger generations one type trainer who would stand out from the rest and if there is a wide specter of new water pokemon being introduced along with evos of previous ones(like Corsola, Lapras, Qwillfish etc)water trainer like Misty could be very helpful in their promotion.

Especially if region is filled with water like Orange Islands were. Naturally they could just use new character but no point in introducing someone specializing in one type when they have already someone with who there would be less of trouble to write for since they could just pick up from where they stopped instead of starting from scratch.

That said, i think the most realistic possibility for return is if Game Freak one day touch upon Mistys line from Generation II, where she said that she wanted to travel the world. I could easily see her being a tag partner (like Cheryl and the other characters from DPPt) in some future game.

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Speaking of target audience, true but i don't think small kids not knowing about Misty is representing any problem in case of return. When writers brought back other older characters like Gary, Jessibele, Jasmine or May in DP small kids didn't know about them either but as it can be noticed they didn't had any problems with that.

If they returned it would be enough to explain it in few sentences who she is and why she returned clearing up any possible misunderstanding.
As for those who wants to get more info there are always older series to watch.

Beside thanks to reruns of older seasons on TV stations like Boomerang, pokemon smash or cartoon network, internet, DVds, video games where she is present and older relatives today kids might know already about Misty, May, Brock etc and past sagas.
Otherwise how to explain several Misty fans on forums being only 11 to 14 years old?They obviously didn't watched original series when they were airing first time finding out about her in later sagas.

Granted i know what Dogasu said in his blogs, but im still not sure if one class of kids can be viewed as representative of whole fanbase in Japan reflecting knowledge of others. Another reason why im stating this, is certain contradiction which was provided by Adamant(member in bulbagarden) which stated how ratings of reruns in Japan on TV stations like Pokemon Smash(before it was called Sunday)are notable with most kids knowing about past regions and characters in one or another way.
Not sure what is case with stations in other countries, though.


I'd like to see Misty back, but not for an entire season. Not unless they were going to have a second newer female in there with her as well. Because I saw Misty for a good number of years, then she left and we saw her again in the episodes that were released as 'Pokemon Chronicles'. It just feels like more or less her story is wrapped up. It might still be technically open, but it's as closed as character stories get with the anime. If they brought her back it would seem random, and she'd need some random reason to travel with Ash again.

I agree about idea of having two females in cast at same time. That way we would still get new character while at same time injecting new twist to anime by bringing well liked character like Misty back allowing for some great chemistry and new dynamic. We never had two girls in cast so bringing Misty while at same time adding new girl would give us something never seen before providing intriguing chemistry and interaction.

When you think about it Misty was replaced in such a way that she could return at any point if writers ever decided to do it having already things on which they could just pick upon doing continuation of her story. She definitely has untapped potential to do more, and it would be also interesting to see how she would interact with new characters and work now days as part of group.

Storywise writers could if wanted come up easily with justification to have Misty rejoin cast.
Like traveling with purpose of advancing water master dream by expanding aside from Whirl Cup in creating new water competitions serving as benchmarks through which progress would be measured, giving her rival(like they did with BW sidekicks), developing her pokemon etc.

Or they could have Misty try becoming E4 member tying her quest directly into it(she wanted to become best water trainer and E4 are best one type trainers in world) and introducing tasks or evaluators she would need to pass to determine if said character has potential for such thing giving her some quality development, and with such move writers could make Misty becoming important to Ash story since his goal involves battling E4. Since we could see whole E4 and how they function being better explained influencing Ash journey too.
Potential is definitely there, and Brock easy return after Orange Islands kinda proved how easily ex character can be included again.

Misty story was left unfinished with character never in reality being wrapped up. Her goal of water pokemon master was left unfinished and several things were left unexplored and unanswered about her past, dreams, pokemon and ambitions not being fleshed out enough as character.
We saw her going on journey to become water master at end of Johto being randomly called back to take care of gym out of obligation later on staying out of necessity and because of incompetent sisters(with writers making clear how being gym leader isn't on list of character dreams),with components of her story being left at standstill ending up as plot-holes.

She got some development in hosos like getting over Gyarados fear, earning sisters respect etc.problem is that cameos and chronicles didn't resolved plots of Misty story in any way or provided indication that further progress is being made toward them(like goal of becoming one type master,ambition to learn as much as she can about water types, what motivated her in deciding to become one type trainer etc)never coming to any significant realization how to accomplish her dreams nor getting over flaws which are standing in way of character going forward(something writers did with May or Dawn being given some sense of ending) with things being left at standstill and undefined.

So from story standpoint i say she has reasons for which she could return, providing writers wanted to do so.
 
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