WitchHunt - Endgame

[jdthebud]

[Vote] SirDolan

Apparently, mafia WOULD risk a hammer. Nani proved so not too long ago.

Alright, we've decided it's time to out the court members, since our usage has worn out pretty much. Knowing who the king is essentially adds one more person to the confirmed innos pool, so we've decided it's a good move.

Sparkin' as the King
Ras! as the acolyte
Johnny as the Inquisitor
Alex Kaz as the emissary.

The confirmed innocents right now are
Sparkin'
BidoofFTW
Ras!
jdthebud
(I think a check on jd wasn't necessary but oh well)
Which leaves 8 players. So from each person's perspective, there's 7 potential witches.

At 22 players, there should be 5 witches total, which means 3 are left alive.
Out of 7 possible candidates, 3 are mafia, so the chance of actually lynching one today are pretty good.

Johnny
Nakuzami
HyperMorian
Kiyotaka Ishimaru
gimmepie
Desinishon
SirDolan
Alex Kaz

These are the people left currently. If I had to choose a team of 3 witches, I would go with SirDolan, gimmepie, Desi/Ishi
I'd like everyone to make a witch team list too.

Btw confirming Naku's alignment would be nice, so we can be 100% certain his info is perfectly reliable.

I think Bard was a witch too, but besides SirDolan I don't really have any scumreads right now. :(

I agree that we need to check Naku.

 

[Alex Kaz]

What if you're the witch buddy who came to her aid?
:deepthonk:

 

[Desinishon]

lol no single helpful post :p

Vote SirDolan

you know its kind of bull, Sir Dolan is posting in other games but not defending her in this one where they are getting lynched...I think they are witch and just gave up on game.

Johnny SirDolan gimmepie ( not sure)

 

[Alex Kaz]

I think Bard was a witch too, but besides SirDolan I don't really have any scumreads right now. :(

I agree that we need to check Naku.

Damn I only now realized what you said. Yeah if Bard was witch, that leaves us with 2 more witches instead of 3

 

[Desinishon]

You know this is kind of ridiculous, I was one of the guys that wanted doof to investigate newie who is confirmed scum...if i was mafia why the hell i did that. I know that doesn't make me conform town. I'm helping town with whatever i can.


@Johnny: I dunno where I said you're my town read? Idk if i said that anywhere. Other than agreeing with you on not revealing grave digger thing, I've not said anything about you as my strong town read...

The reason for saying that you're a scum is either it was btw you or Alex, after reading through alex's post deeply i found him town. I wasn't sure about that till Abby thing...I already stated that Ishi is my strong town read. Naku is giving us info about dead peeps so far so there is no reason for me to suspect them. Hyper claimed peeping tom way before and helped with his one time ability on home. Which seems town to me. GP just replaced someone i dunno. I already said I'm not sure about him. Which leaves you....what did you did that make you stand out from rest of the people.....I dunno beside that post, seems to me you are desperate to save your mafia buddy. If Bard indeed was a scum then that leaves 2, you and Dolan.

 

[Alex Kaz]

I don't remember you asking the priest to investigate Nani, but that doesn't clear you as innocent. I could argue you're scum for doing that too, since, if you and Nani were both mafia and you think Nani's going down either way, not only does asking to investigate her buys her one more day to live, it's also a night that the priest is throwing to waste.

Whatever is that logic? Nani going down either way? Nani wasn't even brought on the spotlight before doof outed on day 4. Desi asked the priest to investigate Nani on day 3, at a time when Nani's alignment wasn't even sidekick discussion.
That's very sloppy lol.

 

[Desinishon]

I was asking priest to investigate her 'cause her posts are not making any sense and same day where i ask for investigation, newie including some others got suspicious of me.
https://www.pokecommunity.com/posts/9701907/


Well i also don't like arguing about it. I'm all up for hearing what town has to say.

 

[Alex Kaz]

Bussing a teammate who's not even suspected in a game where alignment doesn't show up on death is beyond stupid.
You're pushing too hard for this with pretty much nothing.

Which, combined with you insisting on killing Abby and wanting to kill Bard over SirDolan makes me reconsider my reads.
I can see a possible SirDolan/Johnny mafia team right now. Assuming that's true there's one more member in your team (because clearly you wouldn't kill Bard, which makes him town).
That would be pretty funny to be honest, it would mean my initial theory of the mafia stacking their court votes on one of their own is correct.

Anyway, I'd like for SirDolan to come here and defend herself; inactivity isn't helping her case.

 

[Alex Kaz]

Not to mention that you've been a confirmed member of the court for how long and have been acting as an intermediary, townread by most of the town and yet the mafia never thought of killing you.

This is exactly why I outed. I'm the emissary, remember. I was immune for 3 days and nights. I WANTED the mafia to target me, that's why I outed as a court member. I was aiming to take fire, but it just didn't happen. And believe me, if I were mafia I would target myself because when someone survives a kill attempt it is announced.

However, it seems they thought I'm the king or something, that's probably why I didn't take fire. The king is immune, after all, until one court member dies. Were they sure all court members were alive? I don't know but you might. Did they want to take the risk? I'd assume not. Hence I'm alive and well and with priority power roles revealed, I don't see myself dying soon either.

All in all, the argument of me potentially being mafia because I am still alive is utter bullshit. They had only one night to kill me, night 4, and why on earth would they waste it on me while there's a priest and a gravedigger roaming out there?

One last thing, after a quick reread I did on certain posts. Purple had a chance to kill Abby, who would be town read by pretty much everyone after leading a lynch on scum, but she didn't take it. Noone ever brought this up until now. She chose randomly instead. Why would that be?
I have a theory for that. Assuming you're scum, you could easily use the court to get rid of Abby, which you did. At the same time, there was no way to prove purp was scum unless the gravedigger outed, so purp not choosing to kill Abby would essentially mean she wasn't guaranteed to be scum unless the gravedigger outed. Which served the mafia a power role on a silver plater, while also taking care of another town with DOB's ability. Quite the play, wouldn't you agree?

 

[Desinishon]

lol.
I really like to hear what are everyone's thought about this...

 

[Alex Kaz]

I'm not questioning your court reveal in an inno!alex situation, lol.

Then what is that supposed to mean?

Not to mention that you've been a confirmed member of the court for how long and have been acting as an intermediary, townread by most of the town and yet the mafia never thought of killing you.

 

[Alex Kaz]

I really don't get your point here. But not gonna lie, that theory about me relying on the court to kill Abby is farfetched af.

I agree, it's kinda farfetched. But I'm lead to make farfetched theories because of how obsessed you seem to be with lynching Desi even when events suggest you shouldn't and how you're defending SirDolan without having any serious reason to do so. If Desi is the alternative you're proposing instead of SirDolan, then I have no reason to remove my vote from her.
Edit : instead, I'd have a reason to switch my vote to you.

 

[Alex Kaz]

Means what you think it means, but the defense you gave only makes sense to you, not to the mafia.

No offense, but I'm not gonna bother replying to generic nonsense.

Like, this only works because you know your role, but if you are town, the mafia wouldn't know your role, and still didn't even try to kill you.

You're wrong. If it only worked because I knew my role, then I would only talk about me being the emissary. Instead, I tried to get into mafia mentality and think of why they didn't attempt to kill me. The result of this was realizing there is a good chance they thought I outed because I am the king, and therefore safe from killing.

 

[Alex Kaz]

Hmm, what? Your defense argument was basically "I'm the emissary so that's why the mafia didn't kill me" lol. How does that make sense?

This is exactly why I outed. I'm the emissary, remember. I was immune for 3 days and nights. I WANTED the mafia to target me, that's why I outed as a court member. I was aiming to take fire, but it just didn't happen.

Hey Mister Judge, may I rest my case?

 

[Kiyotaka Ishimaru]

As of now, my witch team would be Johnny, Gimmepie, and Sir Dolan.

Regarding those who suspect me, well, I've been stating since my reveal as Judge to investigate me, but apparently I'm still uncleared because of not being investigated by our resident priest at all. I have contributed to the discussion by sharing reads and asking questions, if you haven't noticed. So, I can't make a larger post because of internet issues as of the moment, but I'd like to end with my town reads [for the unconfirmed people]: Nakuzami, Alex Kaz, and Desinishon

 

[Alex Kaz]

You wouldn't be really aiming to take fire if you know nobody's targetting you, lol.

>is emissary
>can waste mafia's nightkill

 

[gimmepie]

Okay hold up, why am I being scumread? Mafia literally tried to kill me just a few pages back.

 

[gimmepie]

[Vote] SirDolan

I don't see any huge reason not to do this tbh.

 

[gimmepie]

So why would I want to kill and then defend someone? (SirDolan replaced Sword Master).

It doesn't make much sense to be honest, you've just suggested you agreed with lynching this role when it was one persons but now that it's someone else's you don't. Do explain.

 

[Nakuzami]

Wow shit fell apart while I was out last night

Anyways, I'm all for being checked if you need to verify my information. At this point it's all down to the wire anyways

And I think what Johnny meant in his last post was that he was conditionally scumreading SM if Abby flipped maf? But he didn't, so I guess that's where the switch comes from

It's shitty that SM only posted once and now Dolan isn't very chatty either. It's an extraordinarily bad maf play, in that case, but it's not unlikely

As far as GP being illusion killed, that's impossible, since the illusion kill always shows up as having died, no? What is possible is that the witches have the Pagan and used it to have the demons protect GP and then used their kill on him (since the witches can target themselves) which is essentially a more effective illusion kill. You'd think they'd save that for offing the Priest, but I guess they could have been fishing for a clear at the time since GP's hit was before d00f revealed?

Also he could be a maf survivor and they hit his extra life. Sounds lame, but it's also an effective clear

So, going with that, I'd say my biggest reads would have to be on Dolan, Desi and GP? I initially townread Ishi, but in hindsight I suppose I have to go back and check all of my reasoning to check for an oversight. I'd say Bard could have been a witch (which I can confirm tonight), which apparently isn't possible if Johnny is maf (going by Alex's sharing of court info), but I am keeping an eye on the Alex/Johnny shit bc a) free entertainment and b) I never bought that at least one court member wasn't a witch, and with them both being members and now at each other like this, it's far more viable

Jd was initially my top read until d00f cleared him today, anyhow.

So take my "reads" with a few grains of salt rn until I can go back and verify some old shit when I get on my laptop later, since intitially I'd probably have said Bard/Jd/Dolan