5th Gen Zoroark & Zorua Discussion

[The Red Chain]

Bolded part: That means you can only get it once. >>;;

Riolu/Lucario= Only can be gotten once from Iron Island.
Zorua = Can only be gotten from Celebi Event
Zoroark = Can only be gotten through Dog event

Depending on which event they release in America, you can only get it once. Just like Riolu. Though it only says you can't catch them except by this event, it doesn't say you can't possibly find a high ranking Trainer with it like say an E4 member or Gym Leader.

Underlined part: All its ability allows it to do it take the form of your Second Pokemon in your party. So if say you have Muuna second, then Zoroak will come out as Muuna in battle. Dunno if it'll come out as Muuna and completely confuse the opponent (real life player) Or it it comes out as Zoroark and then transforms which would be extremely retarded if it did.

Zoroark is an event Pokemon, something Lucario is not.
In that sense, Lucario and Zoroark are two very different Pokemon. Similar in evos and looks yes, but not very similar otherwise. XD

Well in the movie Zoroark transforms and we were not able to tell that the mayhem-causing dog trio was actually her. I bet she is just as tricky in-game with her transform as she is in the movie, so I bet you do see her transformed instead of normal when she comes out. I honestly don't remember, so I'll ask :

Does Zoroark retain the dark type even when transformed? O.O
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[Xander Olivieri]

Zoroark is an event Pokemon, something Lucario is not.
In that sense, Lucario and Zoroark are two very different Pokemon. Similar in evos and looks yes, but not very similar otherwise. XD

Well in the movie Zoroark transforms and we were not able to tell that the mayhem-causing dog trio was actually her. I bet she is just as tricky in-game with her transform as she is in the movie, so I bet you do see her transformed instead of normal when she comes out. I honestly don't remember, so I'll ask :

Does Zoroark retain the dark type even when transformed? O.O
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It retains the Dark Typing. As for Zoroark-Lucario relationship its like Emonga being the new Pikachu, or Kibago possibly being the new Dratini, Minezumi being the new Rattata, Koromori being the new Zubat and so on.

If Zorua is classified as a Baby Pokemon, then it could be Riolu's replacement in Black and White. It is like Riolu/Lucario. Lucario in the Anime has nearly legendary powers. Even though Zoroak was taken off of most site's "Legendary Pokemon" list. So its not even considered a Legend to most anymore.

 

[Gardenia101]

It retains the Dark Typing. As for Zoroark-Lucario relationship its like Emonga being the new Pikachu, or Kibago possibly being the new Dratini, Minezumi being the new Rattata, Koromori being the new Zubat and so on.

If Zorua is classified as a Baby Pokemon, then it could be Riolu's replacement in Black and White. It is like Riolu/Lucario. Lucario in the Anime has nearly legendary powers. Even though Zoroak was taken off of most site's "Legendary Pokemon" list. So its not even considered a Legend to most anymore.

Well, I highly doubt that Zorua is a baby Pokemon; it's form just doesn't seem to say "baby". Like Wynaut, Wynaut SCREAMS baby Pokemon, if you know what I mean. But I don't think an "Evil Fox Pokemon" is quite babyish, personally.

 

[Mirby]

Wow, I just read this whole thread. I never do that. Now for my two cents.

Zorua and Zoroark are not legendaries.They have been confirmed to be event-only Pokémon, in that you need to transfer one of the Legendary Beasts from HG/SS to B/W to trigger it. Just because Zoroark has the special Illusion ability doesn't make him legendary either, nor does the fact that him (and Zorua) were the first Gen5 Pokémon to be revealed. Let's look at it this way, shall we?

Gen1:
Articuno - One-shot
Zapdos - One-shot
Moltres - One-shot
Mewtwo - One-shot
Mew - OFFICIAL NINTENDO EVENT ONLY (well, there is that glitch)

Gen2
Entei - Only one, runs around
Raikou - Same
Suicune - Same
Lugia - One-shot
Ho-oh - One-shot
Celebi - OFFICIAL NINTENDO EVENT ONLY

Gen3
Regis - All are One-shot
Groudon - One-shot
Kyogre - One-shot
Rayquaza (my favorite) - One-shot
Deoxys - OFFICIAL NINTENDO EVENT ONLY
Jirachi - OFFICIAL NINTENDO EVENT ONLY
Latias/Latios - OFFICIAL NINTENDO EVENT ONLY

Gen4
Regigigas - Event-only, need to migrate Regis from Gen3
Lake Trio - Only one of each, fly around region
Rotom - One-shot
Dialga - One-shot
Palkia - One-shot
Giratina - One-shot
Arceus - OFFICIAL NINTENDO EVENT ONLY
Darkrai - OFFICIAL NINTENDO EVENT ONLY
Cresselia - OFFICIAL NINTENDO EVENT ONLY
Manaphy/Phione - OFFICIAL NINTENDO EVENT ONLY

I'm sure I forgot a few; that was all from memory. Also, by One-shot, I mean you only have one chance to catch it; if you knock it out or it runs, you're screwed.

In my experience, these are the ones considered Legendary by the community, or at least the ones I've been on. The only ones considered Legendary in Gen5 are Reshiram, Zekrom, and that little V guy whose name escapes me at the moment.

Also, I think what everyone means by them being Gen5's Lucario (or at least what I take it to mean) is the mascot character of the generation. Much like Pikachu has been the mascot for the series, Lucario became one with his movie and his inclusion in Brawl. With that, he quickly became one of the most well-known Gen4 Pokémon. Zorua and Zoroark are following this same trend. Sure, there isn't a Smash game to put them in this time around, but they are easily the most well known Pokémon of Gen5.

Lastly, as has been said many MANY times previously by many people, event=/=legendary. There are way too many event-only Pokémon that are just variations of the norm (the multitude of Pichus and Pikachus, for instance) and not of legendaries for this to be a rule. Plus, with the advent of GTS, it's easier to get these Pokémon than ever. The true legendaries, such as Arceus, will still only be obtainable via real-life events, but the lesser ones will be through GTS or WiFi, I'm sure.

This brings about an interesting point. With the inclusion of all the one-shots in Gen4, we now have 3 classes of legendaries. False legendaries, such as Rotom and Manaphy that are hard to obtain, but aren't the same as the others and thus not really legendary at all; Normal legendaries, such as Dialga and Palkia, who are the cover mascots for that game; and then the true legendaries, such as Arceus, who can only be obtained legitimately via real-life events.

Zorua and Zoroark might qualify as the False Legendaries, but I doubt they even get that distinction.

Wow, that's one hell of a rant I just went on. :P

 

[Amore]

Yeah, Zorua and Zoroark are the Gen V Riolu and Lucario :P

Not legendary, not even pseudo-legendary (well, we don't know their base stats, but I doubt they are), just fairly cool, unique ability (Lucario had unique typing), probably a signature move....but not legendary

 

[Mirby]

I'm just hoping that 1/4 of the new pokemon in this one aren't one-shots like in Gen4. :P

 

[The Red Chain]

False legendaries, such as Rotom and Manaphy that are hard to obtain, but aren't the same as the others and thus not really legendary at all

That's a tough one to call since Manaphy's base stat total is 600 ; sharing this trait with all the small legendaries, other equally powerful legendaries, and the pseudos. It's movepool and ability make it an especially tough opponent and have put it in the Uber category competitive wise. I'd say it's very much legendary myself, but that's just my opinion really.

It's hard for me to imagine Zorua being a baby Pokemon since it seems so much more... what's the right word? Mature.. than the other baby Pokemon. I think that works well. XD I also don't recall any of the baby Pokemon using telepathy either. I know Lucario did, but did Riolu..?

Zorua and Zoroark are following this same trend. Sure, there isn't a Smash game to put them in this time around, but they are easily the most well known Pokémon of Gen5.

Great point you make there about the resemblance.
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[kinu]

even if zoura is a lengendary i think its a manaphy phione relation notice you need a diffrent event for them

 

[Mirby]

Oh, there is a resemblance. I just don't qualify appearance to be a factor in whether or not they're the Lucario of B/W.

 

[Xander Olivieri]

Wow, I just read this whole thread. I never do that. Now for my two cents.

Zorua and Zoroark are not legendaries.They have been confirmed to be event-only Pokémon, in that you need to transfer one of the Legendary Beasts from HG/SS to B/W to trigger it. Just because Zoroark has the special Illusion ability doesn't make him legendary either, nor does the fact that him (and Zorua) were the first Gen5 Pokémon to be revealed. Let's look at it this way, shall we?

Gen1:
Articuno - One-shot
Zapdos - One-shot
Moltres - One-shot
Mewtwo - One-shot
Mew - OFFICIAL NINTENDO EVENT ONLY (well, there is that glitch)

Gen2
Entei - Only one, runs around
Raikou - Same
Suicune - Same
Lugia - One-shot
Ho-oh - One-shot
Celebi - OFFICIAL NINTENDO EVENT ONLY

Gen3
Regis - All are One-shot
Groudon - One-shot
Kyogre - One-shot
Rayquaza (my favorite) - One-shot
Deoxys - OFFICIAL NINTENDO EVENT ONLY
Jirachi - OFFICIAL NINTENDO EVENT ONLY
Latias/Latios - OFFICIAL NINTENDO EVENT ONLY

Gen4
Regigigas - Event-only, need to migrate Regis from Gen3
Lake Trio - Only one of each, fly around region
Rotom - One-shot
Dialga - One-shot
Palkia - One-shot
Giratina - One-shot
Arceus - OFFICIAL NINTENDO EVENT ONLY
Darkrai - OFFICIAL NINTENDO EVENT ONLY
Cresselia - OFFICIAL NINTENDO EVENT ONLY
Manaphy/Phione - OFFICIAL NINTENDO EVENT ONLY

I'm sure I forgot a few; that was all from memory. Also, by One-shot, I mean you only have one chance to catch it; if you knock it out or it runs, you're screwed.

In my experience, these are the ones considered Legendary by the community, or at least the ones I've been on. The only ones considered Legendary in Gen5 are Reshiram, Zekrom, and that little V guy whose name escapes me at the moment.

Also, I think what everyone means by them being Gen5's Lucario (or at least what I take it to mean) is the mascot character of the generation. Much like Pikachu has been the mascot for the series, Lucario became one with his movie and his inclusion in Brawl. With that, he quickly became one of the most well-known Gen4 Pokémon. Zorua and Zoroark are following this same trend. Sure, there isn't a Smash game to put them in this time around, but they are easily the most well known Pokémon of Gen5.

Lastly, as has been said many MANY times previously by many people, event=/=legendary. There are way too many event-only Pokémon that are just variations of the norm (the multitude of Pichus and Pikachus, for instance) and not of legendaries for this to be a rule. Plus, with the advent of GTS, it's easier to get these Pokémon than ever. The true legendaries, such as Arceus, will still only be obtainable via real-life events, but the lesser ones will be through GTS or WiFi, I'm sure.

This brings about an interesting point. With the inclusion of all the one-shots in Gen4, we now have 3 classes of legendaries. False legendaries, such as Rotom and Manaphy that are hard to obtain, but aren't the same as the others and thus not really legendary at all; Normal legendaries, such as Dialga and Palkia, who are the cover mascots for that game; and then the true legendaries, such as Arceus, who can only be obtained legitimately via real-life events.

Zorua and Zoroark might qualify as the False Legendaries, but I doubt they even get that distinction.

Wow, that's one hell of a rant I just went on. :P

Manaphy isn't Nintendo Event only. You can get a Manaphy through the first Pokemon Ranger.

I believe there are other Legends that are transferable through similar means in the later version. Regigigas is debatable. Its not really an event, unless you count the Regigigas giveaway that unlocks the three Regi's in Platinum which makes the Golems Event Pokemon as well. Jiranchi was also given out through Colosseum's bonus disc. "Event" really depends on how you look at it. If by Event you mean something you have to do to unlock them, then all Legends are Event Pokemon.

Also Manaphi is a Mirage Legendary along with Mew, Jiranchi, Celebi, Vicitini, and Shaymin. All of which are tiny ...something I'm just noticing lol.

As for not looking like a baby, What about Riolu? It was heavily debated on whether or not it was a baby simply because it was brought in like Togepi. It was a baby Pokemon introduced at the same time as its Evolution. These small details were what made Togepi and Riolu arguable Baby Pokemon, even though unlike other baby Pokemon, Riolu and Togepi are also the basic forms.

Zorua looks like a baby to me. It has the cute chibi factor and the somewhat innocent air about it.

 

[Mirby]

I was mistaken on a few details, my bad.

Also, I thought Baby Pokémon were the ones that could only be obtained via egg such as Igglybuff and Elekid? Obviously, you don't get Riolu from an egg, so he's not a Baby.

 

[sharceus5147]

o.O"ZOROARK has the same rOle as LUCARIO:it is like the lucariO of Generation V..^^

 

[Honest]

Seriously doubt Zoroark is a legendary. Like mentioned, I look at Zoroark as this generation's Lucario.

 

[Gardenia101]

Manaphy isn't Nintendo Event only. You can get a Manaphy through the first Pokemon Ranger.

I believe there are other Legends that are transferable through similar means in the later version. Regigigas is debatable. Its not really an event, unless you count the Regigigas giveaway that unlocks the three Regi's in Platinum which makes the Golems Event Pokemon as well. Jiranchi was also given out through Colosseum's bonus disc. "Event" really depends on how you look at it. If by Event you mean something you have to do to unlock them, then all Legends are Event Pokemon.

Also Manaphi is a Mirage Legendary along with Mew, Jiranchi, Celebi, Vicitini, and Shaymin. All of which are tiny ...something I'm just noticing lol.

As for not looking like a baby, What about Riolu? It was heavily debated on whether or not it was a baby simply because it was brought in like Togepi. It was a baby Pokemon introduced at the same time as its Evolution. These small details were what made Togepi and Riolu arguable Baby Pokemon, even though unlike other baby Pokemon, Riolu and Togepi are also the basic forms.

Zorua looks like a baby to me. It has the cute chibi factor and the somewhat innocent air about it.

Chibi factor? You have got to be kidding me.

There is no doubting that there is more than one Shaymin. I mean, Ash meets two and also there were three Shaymin on the screen at once in one of the newest Pokemon episodes. Same with Mew. They found a fossil of Mew, which means one died. But there was a live Mew in the movie, too. and you can't say that Victini is a mirage legendary, because we haven't experienced anything with it. There is more than one Regigigas, because the anime sees one at least twice and refers to it as "a" Regigigas. Manaphy and Phione.... we see multiple of those at once in the anime, too. And just because you can get a Manaphy is some spin-off game doesn't make it event only. And if you can get Jirachi through Pokemon Colloseum, that doesn't make it not event only. I mean, we can get Jirachi through action replays and the "Send .PKM files to retail games" program, so does that mean it's not event-only? No. No it doesn't.

 

[Xander Olivieri]

I was mistaken on a few details, my bad.

Also, I thought Baby Pokémon were the ones that could only be obtained via egg such as Igglybuff and Elekid? Obviously, you don't get Riolu from an egg, so he's not a Baby.

You do get Riolu from an Egg. All the Gen 2 Babies are mandatory pre-evolutions meaning you can't get the basic forms in eggs. Gen 3 is when the very first "baby" (by your definition) Pokemon came out and that was Azuril. The only way to get an Azuril is to breed a Marill with Sea/Wave Incense. (can't remember which one). If you breed a Marill without the incense then you get a Marill. Fourth Gen expanded on this so Gen three was the first Generation to produce Baby Pokemon that can only be gotten from an egg and not through normal breeding.

List of Baby Pokemon: https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Baby_Pokemon Both Togepi and Riolu are on the list.

Chibi factor? You have got to be kidding me.

There is no doubting that there is more than one Shaymin. I mean, Ash meets two and also there were three Shaymin on the screen at once in one of the newest Pokemon episodes. Same with Mew. They found a fossil of Mew, which means one died. But there was a live Mew in the movie, too. and you can't say that Victini is a mirage legendary, because we haven't experienced anything with it. There is more than one Regigigas, because the anime sees one at least twice and refers to it as "a" Regigigas. Manaphy and Phione.... we see multiple of those at once in the anime, too. And just because you can get a Manaphy is some spin-off game doesn't make it event only. And if you can get Jirachi through Pokemon Colloseum, that doesn't make it not event only. I mean, we can get Jirachi through action replays and the "Send .PKM files to retail games" program, so does that mean it's not event-only? No. No it doesn't.

For Jiranchi thing, Uhhh...Since the bonus disc was an official release of Jiranchi and was not an event. Therefore Jiranchi is not event only.

As for from the Spin off I said Manaphi wasn't event only. Also once again you bring in the Anime to a Videogame discussion. We've already been over that the Anime does things differently than the games. They are in two different universes and are two completely separate things. If all you can use to defend your point is pull out the Anime when it has nothing to do with the discussion or the details, then please don't even try to defend yourself.

I don't know how they classify Mirage Legendary Pokemon. I know Vicitini was called a Mirage Legendary on Serebii when it was released and they also classify Shaymin, Mew, Jiranchi, Celebi, and Manaphi as Mirage Legendaries. It either has something to do with why they are legendary or what ever reason they have. They get their information from another source, if you don't like the fact that are brought up go find the original source instead of trying to make up your own reasons to justify yourself.

And seriously learn to read I was clarifying the other person's post. Nintendo Event Only means that the Pokemon can only be recieved through an Nintendo hosted event like something from Wifi Central Mystery Gift function. Manaphy and Jiranchi can be gotten outside of Nintendo WFC and away from Nintendo sponsored Mystery Gift giveaways.

As for the Chibi factor, Yes Zorua has Chibi factor. It has a tiny body with a larger head. Something most of the babies have going on. Does it pass to normal Pokemon, I think so, but majority of the Chibi Pokemon are babies. Most look like chibi versions of their Basic forms. Only exceptions to that are some of the Gen 4 baby Pokemon and Tyrogue since it evolves into three Pokemon and Togepi.

Now I saw you mention Action Replay, Well seeing as we are talking about official ways to catch/Own pokemon and you bring in cheating I'm pretty positive you don't know what they hell you are talking about. The Action Replay can get you anything and is a very poor attempt to defend your point.

 

[Rayquazaa]

Zoroark is indeed the 5th gen version of Lucario.

But Lucario would totally own Zoroark sadly.

 

[emanu11]

You can't unless you get a special shiny Suicune/Entei/Raikou in an event

if needing an out of game event helps to qualify it as a legendary then see the attachment i added from serebii stating that it ( zorua) is a pre-evolutionary form for zoroark that is activated by a celebii event from a movie giveaway
but then again nothing i have found says it is a legendary pokemon either

I was mistaken on a few details, my bad.

Also, I thought Baby Pokémon were the ones that could only be obtained via egg such as Igglybuff and Elekid? Obviously, you don't get Riolu from an egg, so he's not a Baby.

in platinum pearl and diamond you do get riolu from an egg at iron island

 

[rocky505]

Wow, I just read this whole thread. I never do that. Now for my two cents.

Zorua and Zoroark are not legendaries.They have been confirmed to be event-only Pokémon, in that you need to transfer one of the Legendary Beasts from HG/SS to B/W to trigger it. Just because Zoroark has the special Illusion ability doesn't make him legendary either, nor does the fact that him (and Zorua) were the first Gen5 Pokémon to be revealed. Let's look at it this way, shall we?

Gen1:
Articuno - One-shot
Zapdos - One-shot
Moltres - One-shot
Mewtwo - One-shot
Mew - OFFICIAL NINTENDO EVENT ONLY (well, there is that glitch)

Gen2
Entei - Only one, runs around
Raikou - Same
Suicune - Same
Lugia - One-shot
Ho-oh - One-shot
Celebi - OFFICIAL NINTENDO EVENT ONLY

Gen3
Regis - All are One-shot
Groudon - One-shot
Kyogre - One-shot
Rayquaza (my favorite) - One-shot
Deoxys - OFFICIAL NINTENDO EVENT ONLY
Jirachi - OFFICIAL NINTENDO EVENT ONLY
Latias/Latios - OFFICIAL NINTENDO EVENT ONLY

Gen4
Regigigas - Event-only, need to migrate Regis from Gen3
Lake Trio - Only one of each, fly around region Only one ran around Sinnoh (Mesprit)
Rotom - One-shot Rotom is not a legendary.
Dialga - One-shot
Palkia - One-shot
Giratina - One-shot
Arceus - OFFICIAL NINTENDO EVENT ONLY
Darkrai - OFFICIAL NINTENDO EVENT ONLY
Cresselia - OFFICIAL NINTENDO EVENT ONLY
Manaphy/Phione - OFFICIAL NINTENDO EVENT ONLY

We have had non legendaries where they are one only.

Gen 1
Aerodactyl
Kabuto
Omanyte
Lapras
Farfetch'd
lickitung
Jynx
Eevee

Gen 2
Tyrogue
Togepi
Sudowoodo
Eevee


Gen 3
Hypno (In FRLG, was not a one off but it was in a event in the game)
Wynaut


Gen 4
Happiny
RIOLU
porygon
Eevee
Togepi (twice and one had an exclusive move)
Rotom


So since Zorua and Zoroark are events and are one off's and they are legendaries then all of these pokemon are legendaries too.

 

[Mew~]

I think they are kinda like Riolu and Lucario... they were both like kinda some of the first pokemon to be revealed for their gen and they both had movies! And who said you couldn't get them in-game like the egg for lucario... their not ledgendery so theres bound to be more then one avilable the event ones will probably have special moves the in-game ones dont! (like the event pikachus with fly, surf etc...) :P

Cresselia - OFFICIAL NINTENDO EVENT ONLY

Cresselia can be caught in game without any event items or anything =P

 

[zapdosa]

Latias/Latios - OFFICIAL NINTENDO EVENT ONLY

Cresselia - OFFICIAL NINTENDO EVENT ONLY

Both wrong. Latios/Latias can be obtained as Roaming Pokemon in Emerald. Cresselia can be obtained after you get the National Dex on D/P/Pt.