6th Gen Primal Reversion Discussion & Speculation Thread

[L0RD G3NGAR]

I think it might've been the ancient People of Hoenn who created them. Just like how they stopped Regigigas and hid it far away they probably made sure should the legends wake up they'll have a way to control them. Of course their plan backfired seeing how they were misused by the likes of Magma and Aqua.

How'd they make the orbs and store power in it tho? Unless they were Wizards OUO

 

[antemortem]

How'd they make the orbs and store power in it tho? Unless they were Wizards OUO

The unanswered question of Pokemon. I'd like to think the orbs were created around the same time Dialga/Palkia/Giratina and their respective items were. You know, and by Arceus in order to allow people to seal away/bring about the true power of what are essentially humanity-destroying monsters. Or have the potential to be, anyway; some of them actually keep balance for the most part.

 

[OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire]

The unanswered question of Pokemon. I'd like to think the orbs were created around the same time Dialga/Palkia/Giratina and their respective items were. You know, and by Arceus in order to allow people to seal away/bring about the true power of what are essentially humanity-destroying monsters. Or have the potential to be, anyway; some of them actually keep balance for the most part.

Come to think about it I don't even think they mentioned how the Creation trio's orbs were made...

As for how humanity could've done it, well magic. There may have been humans with special powers that managed to drain the remaining natural energy from the legends to form the orbs. In the franchise we've seen people with unique powers such as Sabrina, Liza and Tate, N, and to some extent the MC her/himself.

 

[MarinoKadame]

Come to think about it I don't even think they mentioned how the Creation trio's orbs were made...

As for how humanity could've done it, well magic. There may have been humans with special powers that managed to drain the remaining natural energy from the legends to form the orbs. In the franchise we've seen people with unique powers such as Sabrina, Liza and Tate, N, and to some extent the MC her/himself.

Even in the manga some trainer got some abilities like Yellow and Anabel from Battle Frontier.

 

[Leaf Magics]

Well, what created the red and blue orb? And I'm pretty sure that the orb stores there power as there primal form would be there original forms at full power

It hasn't been revealed how the Orbs were created, so we could speculate freely about that.

And I've said it before, but the official site says that Primal Reversion was a transformation that happened in ancient times because of nature's energy; it doesn't seem to be a Pokémon literally reverting to a previous form.

How'd they make the orbs and store power in it tho? Unless they were Wizards OUO

How they would have done it, I don't know, but they could have done it.

Remember that the ancients did things like sealing the Regis and their leader (along with engineering or actually magicking the procedure to release them) and building things like the Ultimate Weapon and the Anistar sundial (which apparently would be impossible to build with current technology), so I think it's perfectly possible that the ancients could have created the Orbs.

 

[L0RD G3NGAR]

It hasn't been revealed how the Orbs were created, so we could speculate freely about that.

And I've said it before, but the official site says that Primal Reversion was a transformation that happened in ancient times because of nature's energy; it doesn't seem to be a Pokémon literally reverting to a previous form.



How they would have done it, I don't know, but they could have done it.

Remember that the ancients did things like sealing the Regis and their leader (along with engineering or actually magicking the procedure to release them) and building things like the Ultimate Weapon and the Anistar sundial (which apparently would be impossible to build with current technology), so I think it's perfectly possible that the ancients could have created the Orbs.

Nature stIill has energy, therefore they should still be primal then. And Maybe the Ancients used Pokemon to build things, but the orbs are something that would need Magic, or something be able to store power as great as thiers. Maybe Arceus created the orbs, but he's omnipotent, so he could just make Kyogre and Groudon not exist anymore so idk

 

[ThePokeRaf]

I reckon this is where the orbs start to come into play. They react to Groudon/Kyogres energy causing to primal evolve.

 

[Leaf Magics]

Nature stIill has energy, therefore they should still be primal then.

Not necessarily. It is implied that natural energy was much stronger back when Groudon and Kyogre went through Primal Reversion for the first time:

It was a primal age, early in the world's history. The natural world was overflowing with energy. That energy granted Groudon and Kyogre an overwhelming power.

And Maybe the Ancients used Pokemon to build things, but the orbs are something that would need Magic, or something be able to store power as great as thiers. Maybe Arceus created the orbs, but he's omnipotent, so he could just make Kyogre and Groudon not exist anymore so idk

I agree that they may have used Pokémon to build things, like the sundial, but what you say could also apply to the Orbs.

I think you forget how the Ultimate Weapon worked: once it was built, it absorbed the life force of many Pokémon, and once charged it was devastating enough to end a war in a single blast. In recent history, it was unearthed by Team Flare and it was shown that it is capable of absorbing all of a legendary Pokémon's power. It is prevented from doing so, but with the little energy it had left, it still destroyed part of the town that had been built around it.

And it was created by a human thousands of years ago. This is why I think it is pretty reasonable (though not the only possible explanation; we can speculate freely on this, as I said) that the two Orbs could have been created by other humans, also thousands of years ago. The Orbs wouldn't even need to absorb all of their energy, only enough to make their battle stop.

 

[OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire]

Not necessarily. It is implied that natural energy was much stronger back when Groudon and Kyogre went through Primal Reversion for the first time:





I agree that they may have used Pokémon to build things, like the sundial, but what you say could also apply to the Orbs.

I think you forget how the Ultimate Weapon worked: once it was built, it absorbed the life force of many Pokémon, and once charged it was devastating enough to end a war in a single blast. In recent history, it was unearthed by Team Flare and it was shown that it is capable of absorbing all of a legendary Pokémon's power. It is prevented from doing so, but with the little energy it had left, it still destroyed part of the town that had been built around it.

And it was created by a human thousands of years ago. This is why I think it is pretty reasonable (though not the only possible explanation; we can speculate freely on this, as I said) that the two Orbs could have been created by other humans, also thousands of years ago. The Orbs wouldn't even need to absorb all of their energy, only enough to make their battle stop.

I agree with this, they didn't need to absorb all of their energy. Also maybe the reason it takes both orbs in the original R/S is because the power of the orbs may have grown weaker over time that both must be used in order to calm them down. Or perhaps the reason Aqua and Magma couldn't control them was due to the nature of the orbs always needing to be together.

 

[L0RD G3NGAR]

Not necessarily. It is implied that natural energy was much stronger back when Groudon and Kyogre went through Primal Reversion for the first time:





I agree that they may have used Pokémon to build things, like the sundial, but what you say could also apply to the Orbs.

I think you forget how the Ultimate Weapon worked: once it was built, it absorbed the life force of many Pokémon, and once charged it was devastating enough to end a war in a single blast. In recent history, it was unearthed by Team Flare and it was shown that it is capable of absorbing all of a legendary Pokémon's power. It is prevented from doing so, but with the little energy it had left, it still destroyed part of the town that had been built around it.

And it was created by a human thousands of years ago. This is why I think it is pretty reasonable (though not the only possible explanation; we can speculate freely on this, as I said) that the two Orbs could have been created by other humans, also thousands of years ago. The Orbs wouldn't even need to absorb all of their energy, only enough to make their battle stop.

I thought the way the ultimate worked by killing Yvetal which would then kill off a life on the Planet....but what you said makes more sense.

 

[Leaf Magics]

I thought the way the ultimate worked by killing Yvetal which would then kill off a life on the Planet....but what you said makes more sense.

I think it would have killed the legendary Pokémon too, one of the Admins in the chamber where it is held says that the weapon will take all of its life force. And that's the important part, that ancient humans were able to build something that could absorb all of a legendary Pokémon's power, so creating the two Orbs, which did something similar, could have been within their reach.

And again, this is just one possibility of how the Orbs may have appeared. Many theories could turn out to be true because we have so little information on this.

 

[OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire]

I think it would have killed the legendary Pokémon too, one of the Admins in the chamber where it is held says that the weapon will take all of its life force. And that's the important part, that ancient humans were able to build something that could absorb all of a legendary Pokémon's power, so creating the two Orbs, which did something similar, could have been within their reach.

And again, this is just one possibility of how the Orbs may have appeared. Many theories could turn out to be true because we have so little information on this.

I wonder how the legendary even survived during the original creation of the weapon (assuming they used the legends in addition to the rest of the Pokemon sacrificed to make it), unless it was due to said sacrifices...

Anyways it is possible for them to create something like the orbs.

The orbs might also have been created similar to Sableye's jewel. Perhaps the energy of the Primals was so strong that they couldn't hold it in, and thus it forms a jewel, but unlike Mega Sableye they have no access to the powers of the orbs.

 

[BeachBoy]

I wonder how the legendary even survived during the original creation of the weapon (assuming they used the legends in addition to the rest of the Pokemon sacrificed to make it), unless it was due to said sacrifices...

Anyways it is possible for them to create something like the orbs.

The orbs might also have been created similar to Sableye's jewel. Perhaps the energy of the Primals was so strong that they couldn't hold it in, and thus it forms a jewel, but unlike Mega Sableye they have no access to the powers of the orbs.

Interesting thought.

And I like the idea that the orbs could become their mega primal stones. Something additional might just make it confusing. x_o

 

[OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire]

Interesting thought.

And I like the idea that the orbs could become their mega primal stones. Something additional might just make it confusing. x_o

It would. I didn't like how the bells added in HgSs seemed to have come out of no where.

 

[Pepperton]

The orbs can easily be integrated into the plot, like Phoebe's grandmother, or Phoebe herself, if she makes an appearance at Mt. Pyre, giving them to you after defeating the evil teams at the haunted mountain. Would make sense for them to be the primal stones.

 

[OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire]

The orbs can easily be integrated into the plot, like Phoebe's grandmother, or Phoebe herself, if she makes an appearance at Mt. Pyre, giving them to you after defeating the evil teams at the haunted mountain. Would make sense for them to be the primal stones.

Or grandfather. Or maybe her parents will appear too. Or maybe Spencer of the BF will give them to us...
Also by Haunted mountain you mean Mt. Pyre right? Well Magma and Aqua will need the orb that matches the legend to summon it so that won't do (irc in Emerald they took both so we got none). Maybe post game they'll give them to us.

 

[Pepperton]

So do you think as more games come out, more legendaries will get Primal Reversions, or will this be a Hoenn only feature? Discuss!

 

[Nah]

It's certainly possible that the Creation Trio could get Primals, considering how old they are as well. Though it is a thing I'd only like a few Pokemon to get.....

 

[OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire]

I think that it'll be more limited than Megas are. Possibly only to the Weather trio. Perhaps the Regi trio and their master. Of course the creation trio, Lake trio, and their master too. With those being all of them I can see.

 

[Pepperton]

Oh I like the idea of the Regi trio getting Primal forms! What do you think they'll look like, and what'll their stats be like?