Regarding abortions...

[BronzeHeart92]

So, here I was thinking: Abortions should in principle be a right available to all who needs it. However, no one's forcing you to do abortions in first place either. Therefore I do find it somewhat questionable that in countries where people have a very dim view on Abortions, it is not available to the small segment of population who sees no problem with it regardless. Any thoughts on the matter?

 

[gimmepie]

I disapprove of the termination of human life outside of extreme circumstances. I think that abortion should be legal in those circumstances but shouldn't be an option to people who simply don't want to deal with the consequences of their own choices.

 

[Hands]

I think its cruel to bring an unwanted child into the world, especially when you know you cannot or will not provide for them. There are enough suffering children as is, no need to add more.

That's the biggest problem with the pro life (should really be called anti-choice in my eyes) crowd's politicians. They're pro birth, they rarely give a toss about the baby after its out.

 

[Nah]

Something to keep in mind is that if abortion is banned/made illegal, it won't stop abortions from happeing. All that will happen is that people will instead go to people who don't know what they're doing and give money to people who shouldn't be getting that money in the first place. I don't think that it would be terribly unlike prohibition in the US back in the day.

I disapprove of the termination of human life outside of extreme circumstances. I think that abortion should be legal in those circumstances but shouldn't be an option to people who simply don't want to deal with the consequences of their own choices.

There are worse things that can happen to a human being in the world than die, and I don't get why you continue to paint people who get abortions or are pro-choice as irresponsible idiots who just "don't want to deal with the consequences".

 

[Yue Han]

I disapprove of the termination of human life outside of extreme circumstances. I think that abortion should be legal in those circumstances but shouldn't be an option to people who simply don't want to deal with the consequences of their own choices.

So it's better for a fetus to come into the world when it's not wanted and could very possibly have a terrible life because it wasn't wanted? (Disclaimer: Of course this doesn't always happen but its a very reasonable point to make)

I do view a developing fetus very differently to that of an actual person. In that stage of its existence, it is, factually, a parasite entirely dependent on its host to sustain its life. Said host has every right to choose what happens with the parasitic contents of her womb and not be judged for it. It is as equally valid for her to view it as an inconvenient little nothing or a baby she wants to bring into the world... or anything in between. I feel this way because its continued existence is entirely dependent on her body.

I definitely take issue with people viewing abortion as a form of birth control and carelessly having sex with the mind frame of "oh well if I get pregnant I can always just abort it anyway" is indeed a very problematic way to think (however I highly doubt this is the norm for the majority of accidental pregnancies). But if we think abortion should be refused because of careless choices then by that logic we should also refuse to give treatment for STD's since people should "deal with the consequences of their own choices" after all!

 

[gimmepie]

Something to keep in mind is that if abortion is banned/made illegal, it won't stop abortions from happeing. All that will happen is that people will instead go to people who don't know what they're doing and give money to people who shouldn't be getting that money in the first place. I don't think that it would be terribly unlike prohibition in the US back in the day.


There are worse things that can happen to a human being in the world than die, and I don't get why you continue to paint people who get abortions or are pro-choice as irresponsible idiots who just "don't want to deal with the consequences".

I thought I've been pretty clear that I don't think that every person seeking an abortion is like that. I know there's circumstances that come into play that justify it and I'm not looking to invalidate that. I just don't want things made easier for the people that are.

 

[Nah]

I thought I've been pretty clear that I don't think that every person seeking an abortion is like that. I know there's circumstances that come into play that justify it and I'm not looking to invalidate that. I just don't want things made easier for the people that are.

What are those circumstances exactly?

 

[gimmepie]

What are those circumstances exactly?

Where the safety of the mother is threatened or quality of life would be severely impaired to the point it would be inhumane to allow the birth.

 

[Kai]

I disapprove of the termination of human life outside of extreme circumstances. I think that abortion should be legal in those circumstances but shouldn't be an option to people who simply don't want to deal with the consequences of their own choices.

This is probably the best option. Additionally, I think that women who want to become mothers should be required to undergo a special examination to ensure their body is ready for the task in order to avoid predictable birth problems.

 

[Miss Wendighost]

I believe that a woman has the right to choose whether to terminate a pregnancy, but there should be a limit when the fetus is able to function outside of the mother's womb. If the woman decides to terminate due to things such as rape or other serious problems such as a rare, life-threating illness, It is nothing to concern myself with, but if the woman decides not to terminate, but gives the kid up for adoption after it is born, the foster parents should have some kind of background check before taking the kid in to be sure that the kid will go into a loving home.

 

[MortalPhoenix]

Honestly, this whole abortion issue could be mostly side-stepped.

First off, better sex education in high school would help to decrease teenage pregnancies. None of this abstinence-only sex-education. Second, making contraptions free would also help decrease pregnancies. Third, more women going to college will decrease pregnancies as they will hold off having a child until they are older, and by getting into college, they will graduate with a job that would help that provide for their child when they want one. Next, women being able to the medical treatment, "tubal ligation" as young as 18 years old without parental approval. Finally, providing maternity leave will ensure women will not have to decide between their career and their child.

Pretty much, if women were allowed to have greater control over their body, the knowledge and means to protect themselves, and the financial means to provide for their baby, then you will see fewer abortions.

 

[gimmepie]

Honestly, this whole abortion issue could be mostly side-stepped.

First off, better sex education in high school would help to decrease teenage pregnancies. None of this abstinence-only sex-education. Second, making contraptions free would also help decrease pregnancies. Third, more women going to college will decrease pregnancies as they will hold off having a child until they are older, and by getting into college, they will graduate with a job that would help that provide for their child when they want one. Next, women being able to the medical treatment, "tubal ligation" as young as 18 years old without parental approval. Finally, providing maternity leave will ensure women will not have to decide between their career and their child.

Pretty much, if women were allowed to have greater control over their body, the knowledge and means to protect themselves, and the financial means to provide for their baby, then you will see fewer abortions.

100% want all of these things. Even not considering the abortion aspect it's a travesty that this isn't just universally a thing.

 

[professor plum]

I think abortion should be available regardless of circumstances. If she's not ready to be a mother, or go through the struggle of being pregnant, then that's that. I mean, one can argue that the baby can be put up for adoption, but for some pregnancy can be extremely strenuous. Why should the woman have to go through that?

I also don't understand the shaming argument associated with "Well, if she didn't want to have a baby, she shouldn't have had sex/used contraceptives/etc.! She's an adult, and she should have to deal with her consequences!!"

• Birth control doesn't always work.
• Some people just aren't fit to be parents/ready to go through pregnancy. Why should they be forced to "deal with consequences"?

People aren't having sex and having abortions just willy nilly.

 

[TailsMK4]

For me, this question is significant, as however people answer this question, there can be reasonable guesses as to how they will respond to other important issues. To answer that question, I have a simple answer that I'm sure many people in the world will not like. The only time imo that an abortion would be ok is if the mother's life is in jeopardy at or around the time of child birth, and I have heard those kinds of scenarios are very rare now. So what about the other cases? Almost all of them could be avoided if you just do not have sex outside of marriage. Birth control won't help you if you run the risk of an accidental creation of a fetus, but you will not have any surprises if you engage in something else fun that isn't having sex.

For me, the subject of abortion is the single most important political topic. If I hear of people that are pro-abortion, there will be many other things that I will disagree with, and they will not get my vote. This is another reason that I view the Republican party as the one I can agree with more. I have no opinion of Roe Vs. Wade, as I simply just disagree with the idea of abortions, but I wouldn't prevent anyone from getting an abortion (though it would be a very awkward subject for me to hear about).

My question for those of us here that are pro-abortion, though...so it wouldn't have mattered to you if your parents decided to abort you instead of letting you be born?

 

[professor plum]

So what about the other cases? Almost all of them could be avoided if you just do not have sex outside of marriage. Birth control won't help you if you run the risk of an accidental creation of a fetus, but you will not have any surprises if you engage in something else fun that isn't having sex.

Oh, come now. Who even cares about having sex out of marriage? It's 2018. There should not be a stigma associated pre-marital sex, virginity, etc.

My question for those of us here that are pro-abortion, though...so it wouldn't have mattered to you if your parents decided to abort you instead of letting you be born?

I don't understand this type of question. If I were aborted, I would never have existed...so it wouldn't really matter.

 

[Kai]

Next, women being able to the medical treatment, "tubal ligation" as young as 18 years old without parental approval.

Tubal ligation is expensive. It would be a challenge for the average 18 year old to pay for the procedure without financial help from their parents/guardians who are probably in charge of the insurance covering them too. The procedure isn't 100% effective at preventing a pregnancy from occurring and it could jeopardize any attempts at having a child after being reversed by making the patient infertile or causing birth related complications. There's also a risk of other problems occurring during or after the surgery which could potentially add another hefty fee.

 

[Palamon]

I honestly think abortion should be allowed and remain legal. If a woman doesn't want to have a baby, or isn't ready to have a mother, she should be allowed to abort the baby. Not everyone who is pregnant is capable of handling the pregnancy.

 

[Yue Han]

Tubal ligation is expensive. It would be a challenge for the average 18 year old to pay for the procedure without financial help from their parents/guardians who are probably in charge of the insurance covering them too. The procedure isn't 100% effective at preventing a pregnancy from occurring and it could jeopardize any attempts at having a child after being reversed by making the patient infertile or causing birth related complications. There's also a risk of other problems occurring during or after the surgery which could potentially add another hefty fee.

Also often the case a lot of women have to jump through many hoops and and deal with doctors that speak down to them like immature little girls that don't know their own minds before, in the end, deciding not to agree to the procedure anyway.

Ultimately I strongly believe a woman should be able to do whatever she wants with her own body, and the contents of it, and not be judged for it.

 

[Nah]

My question for those of us here that are pro-abortion, though...so it wouldn't have mattered to you if your parents decided to abort you instead of letting you be born?

The thought of "what if my parents decided to abort me" does not bother me in the slightest.

And I don't mean this in the way that Ursula or Hands does.

 

[gimmepie]

Can I just say, the constant refrain of "well it's the woman's body" kind of annoys me. It takes two people to create a baby and in the case that the man is still involved with the woman, it's kind of bullshit to say his opinion amounts to jack shit. Obviously the final call has to rest with the woman since she's the one carrying the baby, but can we stop talking about abortion as purely a women's issue? If I help make the baby, I should damn well a least have a say in its future or lack thereof.

Secondly, it's not the woman's body. Or rather, yes it occurs within the body of the woman, but that fetus has its own body. You're not removing an unwanted growth, you are taking the life of a separate living thing thing.