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skyburial

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    Excadrill @ Life Orb
    Ability: Sand Rush
    EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
    Adamant Nature
    - Earthquake
    - Rock Slide
    - Iron Head
    - Rapid Spin

    252 Atk Tyrantrum Head Smash vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Excadrill: 87-103 (24 - 28.5%) -- 97.2% chance to 4HKO

    Even without sand up, Excadrill can take 2 of these and hit back with:

    252+ Atk Life Orb Excadrill Iron Head vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Tyrantrum: 330-393 (107.8 - 128.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO

    or

    252+ Atk Life Orb Excadrill Earthquake vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Tyrantrum: 416-491 (135.9 - 160.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO

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    Master Kavar

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  • Greninja@ expert belt
    Nature : hasty
    Surf
    Power up punch
    Dark pulse
    Ice beam
    Evs speed 252 attack 252 sp attack 6
    Greninja speed will wipe it out with surf or ice beam
     
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    Azumarill @Assault Vest

    Ability: Huge Power
    88 HP / 252 Atk / 164 / Speed
    Adamant nature

    Aqua Jet
    Play Rough
    Waterfall
    Knock Off

    Resists all possible attacks from ninja and all will do 13% or less damage before being hit and taking 96.8 - 114% from Play Rough, should it survive, Aqua jet will KO before it can attack again.
     

    PlatinumDude

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  • Greninja@ expert belt
    Nature : hasty
    Surf
    Power up punch
    Dark pulse
    Ice beam
    Evs speed 252 attack 252 sp attack 6
    Greninja speed will wipe it out with surf or ice beam

    Greninja is an Uber. And if Greninja wasn' t even an Uber in the first place, it's not a counter to Excadrill, as it can't switch into Earthquake. Even then, I hope you realize that Power-Up Punch is a bad option on it, and it gained better coverage options in OR/AS in Gunk Shot and Low Kick; even then, Hydro Pump (or Surf) still is enough to do Excadrill in.

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    Azumarill @Assault Vest

    Ability: Huge Power
    88 HP / 252 Atk / 164 / Speed
    Adamant nature

    Aqua Jet
    Play Rough
    Waterfall
    Knock Off

    Resists all possible attacks from ninja and all will do 13% or less damage before being hit and taking 96.8 - 114% from Play Rough, should it survive, Aqua jet will KO before it can attack again.
    Azumarill runs significantly more HP investment to really make use of Assault Vest: 240 HP/252 Atk/16 SDef.

    Anyway:

    Mega Venusaur:
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    -Giga Drain
    -Sludge Bomb
    -Knock Off
    -Synthesis
    Nature: Bold
    EVs: 248 HP/96 Def/144 SDef/20 Spe
    Item: Venusaurite

    Both of Venusaur's STABs hit Azumarill hard, and as a Mega Pokemon, doesn't care much about Knock Off.
     

    Neo_Angelo

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  • My counter to Mega Venosaur:

    Weezing
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    Item: Black Sludge
    Nature: Calm
    Ability: Levitate
    252 HP - 130 DEF - 126 Spec Def

    Moves: Pain split,Sludge Bomb, Stockpile, Will-O-Wisp


    Mega Venosaur:

    0 SpA Mega Venusaur Giga Drain vs. 252 HP / 126+ SpD Weezing: 50-59 (14.9 - 17.6%) -- possible 9HKO after Black Sludge recovery
    0 SpA Mega Venusaur Sludge Bomb vs. 252 HP / 126+ SpD Weezing: 60-71 (17.9 - 21.2%) -- possible 7HKO after Black Sludge recovery
    0- Atk Mega Venusaur Knock Off (97.5 BP) vs. 252 HP / 130 Def Weezing: 49-58 (14.6 - 17.3%) -- possible 9HKO after Black Sludge recovery

    After Burn:
    0- Atk burned Mega Venusaur Knock Off (97.5 BP) vs. 252 HP / 126 Def Weezing: 24-29 (7.1 - 8.6%) -- possibly the worst move ever

    After +1 stockpile:
    0 SpA Mega Venusaur Sludge Bomb vs. +1 252 HP / 130+ SpD Weezing: 39-47 (11.6 - 14%) -- possibly the worst move ever
    0 SpA Mega Venusaur Giga Drain vs. +1 252 HP / 130+ SpD Weezing: 33-39 (9.8 - 11.6%) -- possibly the worst move ever

    Weezing:

    0 SpA Weezing Venoshock vs. 248 HP / 144 SpD Mega Venusaur: 64-76 (17.6 - 20.9%) -- possible 5HKO
    0 SpA Weezing Sludge Bomb vs. 248 HP / 144 SpD Mega Venusaur: 64-76 (17.6 - 20.9%) -- guaranteed 4HKO after burn damage

    Stockpile would take venosaur even longer to do anything, plus Giga drain would become useless. Will-O-Wisp for stalling
     
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    Heatran @Leftovers
    12 HP/ 252 Sp. Atk / 244 Speed
    Timid nature

    Flash cannon
    Lava plume
    Taunt
    Earth power

    Taunt will lock it into Sludge bomb, taking no damage while it spams Lava plume for some sizable damage and burn chance.

    252 SpA Heatran Lava Plume vs. 252 HP / 126+ SpD Weezing: 136-162 (40.7 - 48.5%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Black Sludge recovery
     
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    Neo_Angelo

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  • Counter for Heatran:

    Poliwrath:
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    Item: Sea Incense
    Nature: Jolly
    Ability: Swift Swim
    252 Speed - 128 HP - 132 Attack

    Waterfall - Earthquake - Brick Break - Rain dance

    Heatran Vs Poliwrath:
    252 SpA Heatran Lava Plume vs. 128 HP / 4 SpD Poliwrath in Rain: 35-42 (9.9 - 11.8%) -- possible 9HKO
    252 SpA Heatran Earth Power vs. 128 HP / 4 SpD Poliwrath: 107-127 (30.3 - 35.9%) -- 44.5% chance to 3HKO
    252 SpA Heatran Flash Cannon vs. 128 HP / 4 SpD Poliwrath: 72-84 (20.3 - 23.7%) -- guaranteed 5HKO

    Poliwrath Vs Heatran (No Rain Dance):
    132 Atk Poliwrath Earthquake vs. 12 HP / 0 Def Heatran: 300-356 (92 - 109.2%) -- 50% chance to OHKO
    132 Atk Sea Incense Poliwrath Waterfall vs. 12 HP / 0 Def Heatran: 218-258 (66.8 - 79.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
    132 Atk Poliwrath Brick Break vs. 12 HP / 0 Def Heatran: 168-200 (51.5 - 61.3%) -- 94.5% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

    (With Rain dance):
    132 Atk Sea Incense Poliwrath Waterfall vs. 12 HP / 0 Def Heatran in Rain: 326-386 (100 - 118.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO
    132 Atk Poliwrath Earthquake vs. 12 HP / 0 Def Heatran: 300-356 (92 - 109.2%) -- 50% chance to OHKO
    132 Atk Poliwrath Brick Break vs. 12 HP / 0 Def Heatran: 168-200 (51.5 - 61.3%) -- 94.5% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

    Even on swap in and rain set up Poli will win as swift swim will make him outspeed heatram meaning he'd lose the possible 3rd hit chance to KO.
     

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    Breloom @ Focus Sash
    Ability: Technician
    EVs: 252 Atk/4 Def/252 Spe
    -Bullet Seed
    -Rock Tomb
    -Mach Punch
    -Spore

    132 Atk Poliwrath Brick Break vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Breloom: 106-126 (40.6 - 48.2%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

    If Bullet Seed strikes 3+ times, Breloom KOs Poliwrath. But if it only fires off 2 rounds, Mach Punch still does enough to finish off Poliwrath first:

    252 Atk Technician Breloom Bullet Seed (3 hits) vs. 128 HP / 0 Def Poliwrath: 384-456 (108.7 - 129.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO

    252 Atk Technician Breloom Bullet Seed (2 hits) vs. 128 HP / 0 Def Poliwrath: 256-304 (72.5 - 86.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
    252 Atk Technician Breloom Mach Punch vs. 128 HP / 0 Def Poliwrath: 103-123 (29.1 - 34.8%)
     

    Master Kavar

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  • Camrupt @ camruptite
    Ability : anger point
    Nature : sassy
    Moves earthquake, lavaplume, curse, yawn
    EVs: sp.attk 252 / sp.def 252 / def 6
     

    PlatinumDude

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  • Camrupt @ camruptite
    Ability : anger point
    Nature : sassy
    Moves earthquake, lavaplume, curse, yawn
    EVs: sp.attk 252 / sp.def 252 / def 6

    Anger Point is useless on Camerupt, regardless of whether it's Mega or not. Its frailty in base form means virtually every critical hit can fell it. Solid Rock is still the preferred ability to take the occasional weak super effective hit. When Camerupt Mega Evolves, it gains Sheer Force, which disables Lava Plume's burn chance. And what's the point of having Sheer Force when your moves don't really do well with it? Earthquake doesn't benefit from it at all, while Lava Plume is mainly used to burn things. Fire Blast is the stronger Fire STAB, while Earth Power is the Ground STAB that just so happens to benefit from Sheer Force.

    Anyway:
    Flygon
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    -Earthquake
    -Outrage
    -U-turn
    -Sleep Talk
    Nature: Adamant
    EVs: 252 Atk/4 Def/252 Spe
    Item: Choice Scarf

    Flygon walls Camerupt completely and won't get burned by Sheer Force Lava Plume.
     

    Master Kavar

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  • Ok I'll try this then
    Lol
    articuno @ choice specs
    Ability : snowcloak
    Nature : mild
    Moves : hail/ ice beam/ protect / hurricane
    EVs : sp.attk 247/speed 252 / attack 11
     

    PlatinumDude

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  • Ok I'll try this then
    Lol
    articuno @ choice specs
    Ability : snowcloak
    Nature : mild
    Moves : hail/ ice beam/ protect / hurricane
    EVs : sp.attk 247/speed 252 / attack 11

    Not a counter, since Articuno can't switch into Outrage. Flygon still outspeeds Articuno and nukes it with Outrage anyway if Articuno switched into the first Outrage. And why are you even using Choice items on stuff that uses support moves? Choice items leave the user stuck on the last move it used until it switches. Manual hail is bad because Snow Warning (which sets hail upon entering battle) outclasses it.

    Metagross:
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    -Meteor Mash
    -Zen Headbutt
    -Ice Punch
    -Hammer Arm
    Nature: Jolly
    EVs: 252 Atk/4 Def/252 Spe
    Item: Metagrossite
    Ability: Clear Body

    I'm sure everyone here knows what Metagross can do to Articuno: resist its STABs and KO back with Meteor Mash.
     
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    Scizor @ Scizorite
    Ability: Light Metal
    EVs: 248 HP / 84 Def / 176 SpD
    Impish Nature
    - Swords Dance
    - Roost
    - Bullet Punch
    - Knock Off

    Meta is nothing but setup bait for it.
     

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    Houndoom-Mega @Houndoomite
    Ability: Solar Power
    EVs: 252 SpA/252 Spe/4 Def
    Timid Nature
    -Fire Blast
    -Dark Pulse
    -Nasty Plot
    -Sludge Bomb

    +2 4 Atk Technician Mega Scizor Bullet Punch vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Mega Houndoom: 100-118 (34.3 - 40.5%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

    And then Fire Blast.
     
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  • Goodra @ Assault Vest
    Ability: Sap Sipper
    EVs: 240 HP / 252 SpA / 16 Spe
    Modest Nature
    - Draco Meteor / Dragon Pulse
    - Fire Blast
    - Sludge Bomb/ Thunderbolt
    - Earthquake/ Muddy Water

    +2 252 SpA Mega Houndoom Dark Pulse vs. 240 HP / 0 SpD Assault Vest Goodra: 130-154 (34.1 - 40.4%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

    Then proceed with Earthquake or Muddy Water 2 Times.
     
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