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Game Over! A New Challenger Approaches [Game Over] Page 3

Started by Nakuzami March 11th, 2019 8:55 PM
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Aldo

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I don't have a killing role, so I don't know why you would think this

As for why THE factional kill failed, look at the role list

Lucas can PK Freeze(roleblock someone)
King DeeDeeDee can Puffed Up Mallet(protect AND roleblock someone)
and Ness can PSI Magnet(Protect someone)
Hmm? Is that so?
I can't help but feel uncertain about that.

##Vote LuluRina

gimmepie

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You're making it painfully obvious that you somehow know something, why are you avoiding telling us how you know? Like, given your certainty I'm fairly sure that you're right but it's a little unnerving.

gimmepie

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##vote LuluRina

Honestly yeah, i'd be weird to false claim so early in the game. I still want a proper response to be sure, but I don't think it is likely he's lying.

Corviknight

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I mean at least Jolt has given us some insight into part of their ability, so thanks for that. Nice to see you back at your usual playstle also.

Bear in mind that as much as we want Aldo to elaborate, now probably isn't the time; if we get too much insight into the role then the naughty factions may decide it's curtains for Aldo. Happy to trust the claim for now and see instead what the rest of you decide to do with the current situation.

##vote LuluRina

5qwerty

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I'm not entirely convinced by Aldo's argument here - definitely not enough to make a vote. I think he's being a bit suspicious, and it's making me slightly uncomfortable. Of course, LuluRina's defense isn't anything special, but what else can you give at this point? Isn't it entirely possible that Aldo is scum (and therefore knows with high probability who isn't scum) and is just randomly pointing fingers? I'm not saying I think LuluRina is for certain innocent or Aldo is for certain scum, but personally I'd definitely want something more substantial than "Hmm? Is that so?"

Maybe I'm inexperienced and these types of situations are common, but something about it just rubs me the wrong way. Aren't there characters that show up the wrong way on reports anyway? the only for certain way he could know is if he were Kirby? Am I understanding these abilities correctly?

I'd also like to hear from any of the people that didn't comment yet: Charlie Brown, Del, Juno, and Doof. Mainly because I want to determine whether they're being inactive or if we're dealing with the Cult person as well.

EDIT: crap got ninja'd again

Filthy Acts at a Reasonable Price

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Actually, I've seen games on here where the Mafia Kill can be roleblocked, if they target the person carring it out. I think it's a dumb mechanic (I agree that it's not a night action), but there you go. Not sure if Naku is one of the GMs who sets it up that way though.
Well, the general rule is that it is not a night action. I feel like Naku is more the type to stick with that.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I do think Naku uses the "mafia hammer vote" mechanic, which means that whoever actually carries out the vote has the kill treated as a night action. Maybe he could elaborate on it.

I'm not going to jump on the Lulu wagon just yet, mainly because I still want to know how Aldo knows about the factional kill and all that. Literally any evidence would persuade me at this point, because Lulu's defense was rather flimsy.

EC

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Right, I've seen all I needed to see here.

##Vote LuluRina

Charlie Brown

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I'm not entirely convinced by Aldo's argument here - definitely not enough to make a vote. I think he's being a bit suspicious, and it's making me slightly uncomfortable. Of course, LuluRina's defense isn't anything special, but what else can you give at this point? Isn't it entirely possible that Aldo is scum (and therefore knows with high probability who isn't scum) and is just randomly pointing fingers? I'm not saying I think LuluRina is for certain innocent or Aldo is for certain scum, but personally I'd definitely want something more substantial than "Hmm? Is that so?"

Maybe I'm inexperienced and these types of situations are common, but something about it just rubs me the wrong way. Aren't there characters that show up the wrong way on reports anyway? the only for certain way he could know is if he were Kirby? Am I understanding these abilities correctly?

I'd also like to hear from any of the people that didn't comment yet: Charlie Brown, Del, Juno, and Doof. Mainly because I want to determine whether they're being inactive or if we're dealing with the Cult person as well.

EDIT: crap got ninja'd again
yeah it is possible aldo is scum but if lulu flips inno then aldo is almost certainly dead tmr. i think it would be too risky for him to softclaim cop with such certainty like this if only to buy one inno death

also should i PEWPEWPEW lulu from memory there’s a maf role that can sabotage guns so i would like to use mine today so it doesn’t potentially turn useless

also
wary of GP AND EC Largely
jumping onto the bandwagon without much comment eps EC- what exactly have u seen that is enough
sorry mobile post and i’m
late for work so not fixing formstting

Juno

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[##vote] Juno for not playing in a game for a long time!
Good to be back, missed u too :fufu:

I, too would like to hear more from Aldo if he's willing to elaborate on what he knows, but for now it's not looking good for Lulu. 5qwerty and CB both have a point - on one hand, there's really no sound defense for Lulu at this point, either they are inno and Aldo is making a wild claim, in which case all they can really do is deny the claim (which they did - or I suppose they can also reveal who they are), but on the other hand, I also doubt Aldo would make a claim like that unless they are fairly certain Lulu will not flip town. So with that said, I'm currently leaning more towards voting Lulu, unless more info comes to light.

##vote LuluRina

Just wondering, but like for Jolt's role then, would that be how the "vote counts twice" mechanic works regardless of alignment? I was under the assumption he would just vote for the same person and that vote would be counted twice, but if he is willing to show who he is this early on, I assume he's inno (or he's actually maf and that's what he wants us to think) and that would also mean Lucas is inno?

5qwerty

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yeah it is possible aldo is scum but if lulu flips inno then aldo is almost certainly dead tmr. i think it would be too risky for him to softclaim cop with such certainty like this if only to buy one inno death

also should i PEWPEWPEW lulu from memory there’s a maf role that can sabotage guns so i would like to use mine today so it doesn’t potentially turn useless

also
wary of GP AND EC Largely
jumping onto the bandwagon without much comment eps EC- what exactly have u seen that is enough
sorry mobile post and i’m
late for work so not fixing formstting
Ok, yeah that's a good point about Lulu flipping inno - I didn't actually consider that. I'm just worried there are some schemes going on with the mafia - like assuming Lulu is innocent then Aldo has some backup of not being killed/lynched (Ike)? Or if they somehow know that Lulu will show up guilty (somehow know is good Snake or are themselves bad Sonic or something). I'm probably considering too much and lynching Lulu is probably the safe bet for now.

Agree with sentiments on GP and EC too. Also Bowser Jr. can mess up your guns so they might be after you

Just wondering, but like for Jolt's role then, would that be how the "vote counts twice" mechanic works regardless of alignment? I was under the assumption he would just vote for the same person and that vote would be counted twice, but if he is willing to show who he is this early on, I assume he's inno (or he's actually maf and that's what he wants us to think) and that would also mean Lucas is inno?
Yeah the way I assumed it would work was that they would vote and then it would be tallied twice. Also according to the night zero post (I discussed this earlier), "Some seemed a bit bewildered, perhaps a bit cold". I don't think I read anything in the first post incorrectly, so I think there are only 2 "freezing" roles in the game, being good Lucas and evil Icies. "Some" implies to me that there is at least one who felt cold...so I'd think there would be at least 1 freezing role? Of course, like GP mentioned it could be too early to say for certain, but I am kind of suspicious.

Or Superjolt could just be trolling.

metroid711

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I honestly don't wanna pick sides just yet until either Lulu says something more to these claims or aldo to say a bit more in response to Lulu. And I dont wanna jump on the Lulu bandwagon until i see at least one of these two things. Cause Lulu could very well be scum here or aldo is trying to get an early innocent out. Either way I'm holding off on a vote for the moment.

LuluRina

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Well theres nothing more that I can say here tbh

I won't reveal my role due to the fact that it could be a mafia role or a innocent role so it wouldn't help much

Plus when mafia doesn't know what role I am, they won't know what they got rid of.'

Farewell!

5qwerty

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What else can I do?
I mean, the situation that you got put into is quite unfortunate. But given that you got put into this situation, you just kind of fell over without much of a fight. Also take note that revealing your role would also be beneficial for the town - it's not just mafia that works better with information - though an experienced player can correct me if this line of logic is considered wrong.

LuluRina

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I mean, the situation that you got put into is quite unfortunate. But given that you got put into this situation, you just kind of fell over without much of a fight. Also take note that revealing your role would also be beneficial for the town - it's not just mafia that works better with information - though an experienced player can correct me if this line of logic is considered wrong.
Let me put this into perspective -
The day will be over in less then a day
Most people have already voted for me
And I have hardly any way to defend myself

Although you make a good point there with the roles(plus the fact that now is the hour where I didn't just wake up and I have shaken off that feeling xD)

I'm Pikachu, and I visited SJ last night and got him as inno

Superjolt

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I mean at least Jolt has given us some insight into part of their ability, so thanks for that. Nice to see you back at your usual playstle also.

Bear in mind that as much as we want Aldo to elaborate, now probably isn't the time; if we get too much insight into the role then the naughty factions may decide it's curtains for Aldo. Happy to trust the claim for now and see instead what the rest of you decide to do with the current situation.

##vote LuluRina
See the thing about Aldo now is that he’s already painted a target on his back if he’s telling the truth, so there’s really no reason for him not to elaborate. Especially when town might not even have any protection roles. I don’t really see Aldo doing this as scum though. (On the other hand, Aldo is being pretty vague and the wording of his post makes it sound like he’s not actually 100% sure... but still yeah I don’t see him doing this as scum).

The reactions so far are interesting, the downside is they’re somewhat muddled because scum!Lulu would be the easiest thing ever to bus in this situation.

I kind of agree about GP and EC? There was someone else whose reaction I didn’t like but I kind of got distracted while typing this post and I can’t remember who

Also as for my voting that was a mid-post vote change lol, not a double vote. Technically I guess there should have been an Unvote in between, so hope that clears that up (also @Juno and 5qwerty!)

@5qwerty - do you have previous mafia experience btw?

Ok I’m tired stopping here actually wait one more thing
Let me put this into perspective -
The day will be over in less then a day
Most people have already voted for me
And I have hardly any way to defend myself

Although you make a good point there with the roles(plus the fact that now is the hour where I didn't just wake up and I have shaken off that feeling xD)

I'm Pikachu, and I visited SJ last night and got him as inno
Well ok, how about this - you didn’t immediately vote Aldo in retaliation, do you think he’s lying scum? What about the people that voted you (or haven’t voted you), which reactions look good and which ones look bad?

I don’t really blame you for the lack of defense since Aldo is being vague af, but also if you’re actually town the best thing you can do is look for scum in the massive mess that has crashed down upon you

(also if Lulu is scum fake claiming, the real Pikachu should not counter claim if there is one!)

LuluRina

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Well ok, how about this - you didn’t immediately vote Aldo in retaliation, do you think he’s lying scum? What about the people that voted you (or haven’t voted you), which reactions look good and which ones look bad?

I don’t really blame you for the lack of defense since Aldo is being vague af, but also if you’re actually town the best thing you can do is look for scum in the massive mess that has crashed down upon you

(also if Lulu is scum fake claiming, the real Pikachu should not counter claim if there is one!)
I actually think he just voted randomly tbh. Theres not enough evidence to really go after him.

As for which reactions look bad... these two stick out to me, but the reason I haven't voted yet is that I don't know which one to vote for

[Vote]LuluRina I trust Aldo.
Why do you trust him?

Right, I've seen all I needed to see here.

##Vote LuluRina
And what have you seen?

gimmepie

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Can someone explain to me what was apparently wrong with my posts? I was weary about Aldo at first, and still find his lack of elaboration suspicious, but there is no reason for a scum player to pull a false claim of this nature so early when it will flat out get them killed the next day.

It's not the best move as a town player either, but I can at least see a town player jumping the gun with the reveal. Seems much more likely.

Nakuzami

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Oh you know what, I honestly thought I'd still implemented 72/36 hour day/night phases since I'd been planning to at one point before posting the game, but ended up going with 48/24 hour ones

Would y'all prefer the longer phases or the current standard ones
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gimmepie

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I'd prefer the standard 48/24 otherwise we'll end up with really long phases of waiting for the change while nothing happens.

jdthebud

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I agree with GP, 24/48 is fine.

But, if we aren't going to lynch Lulu, we need to find someone else to lynch.

However, it strikes me as unlikely that Aldo would just happen to call out the cop...so I'm not sure I believe her claim.

5qwerty

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Yeah, I agree with 48/24.

Also as for my voting that was a mid-post vote change lol, not a double vote. Technically I guess there should have been an Unvote in between, so hope that clears that up (also @Juno and 5qwerty!)
Ok I thought this was the case. Pardon my use of language, I kind of use "trolling" as a term very broadly, but what I meant was that you were doing something akin to what you described. Hopefully no misunderstandings here.

@5qwerty - do you have previous mafia experience btw?
I haven't really played a game of mafia like this before (well I have but I afk'd and got kicked out). I do have minimal experience playing Werewolf with friends but to be fair it was a long time ago. Other than that I do watch some of the mafia games at smash summits but obviously it's very different.

Can someone explain to me what was apparently wrong with my posts? I was weary about Aldo at first, and still find his lack of elaboration suspicious, but there is no reason for a scum player to pull a false claim of this nature so early when it will flat out get them killed the next day.

It's not the best move as a town player either, but I can at least see a town player jumping the gun with the reveal. Seems much more likely.
To me I thought you were kind of jumpy because you changed your opinion within the span of one hour. Had you not posted directly after Aldo's terrible justification it would definitely seem less bandwagon-y. Though maybe that's the right thing to do?

I would also like to mention that there is the possibility that mafia has some kind of cunning plot. What if Lulu flips inno and we're not able to lynch or kill Aldo because they set up their abilities as such?

gimmepie

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I would also like to mention that there is the possibility that mafia has some kind of cunning plot. What if Lulu flips inno and we're not able to lynch or kill Aldo because they set up their abilities as such?
As far as I can see there's not really any way to do that. Plus it'd be a waste to do that here, he'd just be dead wait since we'd all know and just ignore anything he said. He'd be a prime target for night actions too.
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