A Nice Little Note for All of PC to Read... (Long Post)

PPNSteve said:
Why are we even fighting? SOME constructive criticism never hurts but taking things to extremes only gets people mad and causes more trouble then it's worth.

Now lets all take our critiques and use them to better PC. PC is here for you the users, not for us staffers. We want (and encourage) your ideas and suggestions- good or bad.

Mods: take these (and other complaints/comments) as hints, and do an even better job!

I dunno..

(*And when a staffer does something it's for good reason --> other staffers: if you want to chage it, PM the first staff member first.*)
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Of course what you said is the right thing to do. But what would you say if some of the mods refuse to take in those comments...? As mentioned before, it's not like problems regarding SA and Alyssa/whoever never been addressed before. I know that at least I did try to address to them some problems. Perhaps there are others who did too. But oh no half a year and the same thing goes on and on and in same cases even worst... so hence, this.

This thread is not a piece of litmus paper for the flammability test for PC. This thread is for all of us to read, and all of us to try to improve ourselves on. I certainly do admit that I constantly talk in a certain way that excludes other members from participating (such as constant FF chat) in the same chat, and that's what i need to change so that other members (especially new members) can also participate. It's somethign for us to realize, and act upon it. In this very thread, there are still others who read it and says "yeah i agree... (commits some of the stuff listed in my main post earlier)" o.o;

Enough trashtalk that has been going on all these time. Let's get *something* done.
 
latiosspud said:
Frostweaver pointed out btw...all I did was resaid it added what I thought about. I'm not trying to take sides though although frosty does seem to have good points. :P


EDIT: You banned him because he asked you? Common sense please...
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Bleh, poor SA. You know it did make sense, to me anyway. Usually if you insult a mod, you're asking to get banned. The places that I've been to anyway. I'm not denying the fact that most of us PC members want this thread open and not want frostweaver to be banned, however. Even if frostweaver was banned he'd find willing help from his friends like me to post his messages. Also about the nature of this thread, it is certainly different from other threads because it actually has a lot of points to it. Awaking. *I don't wish to further comment on this matter, anyway...

Since I haven't been present (sorry), I don't have much to comment about most of the ideas which frostweaver has been hmmm daring (mind you I can't think of the right word lol) enough to point out but I would like to say something about the Non-Post-Count zone of PC. I agree with frostweaver, all threads of new PC should be consistent with its Post Count system. All posts should count. To not count them is to devalue them. And Putting threads in that Fun time obviously means to wreck them.
 
Frosty, you turd, I was the one who's sopposed to be Cas2 ;)

Yes yes... I mod the art forum in tpm, and someone mentioned a new rule I added to be hypocritical... but I explained it and made a few tweaks. Working with members is nice, and is what modding is all about. Ok, partly about. I have little else to add other than "omigod, I agree!!!". Today, Oni Flygon and Frostweaver are added to my mental cool people list. I think it's rather poor modding when someone closes a thread where a problem erupts... it's better to solve the problem than to ignore it. Though I can understand the turds who spam on purpose...
 
Well, I've noticed all of the problems that frostweaver was talking about...

Too many of the members now are just posting to get their post count higher. Like, if you've noticed, on that 'Do you have a crush on anyone at PC?' thread. I hate to point fingers, but it's true. Half of the posts there are just saying 'Who do you like?', '_____ STILL hasn't said their crush!', 'what? (stupid 25 char rule...)' etc. And the roleplaying. I admit, I used to do a lot of that in that thread too, but now it's just gotten out of hand. And they're taking it to almost every single other thread that they post in. I don't mean to sound rude, but if you want to do all of that silly just-for-fun roleplaying, we have a Role Playing forum just for that. Feel free to make a thread there; just don't turn every other thread into a one for role playing.

And all of the SPAM lately... I've noticed it. So many of the posts aren't quality. It's okay if you don't have perfect grammar skills, but the least you could do is make a point out of your post. Don't just say 'yeah i agree', 'lolololololololol yeah thats funny'. And I've seen several posts like that lately. Plus all of the double posting. People need to READ the rules before they even think about making a post. If they don't, then half the time they end up posting things like I said above. Unless of course they have experience in another forum, and know how to post. But still, our rules are different and need to be read.

Plus, I've also seen many of the Mods act so mean to each other. They can't seem to handle being mature anymore. They've even gone so far as to throw out personal insults to one another, instead of telling them what they're doing wrong. It's so crazy. All of you need to remember that we're not of member status anymore. In fact, if you were a regular member you would probably be banned because you're acting like a flamer. All of the current mods now are wonderful, and certainly deserve their position, but they just need to work on their attitudes. (And I'm not talking to every single mod about the flaming thing.) Let's just stop it. We're not setting a very good example to any of the members by cursing and saying insults to each other. Plus, most of you that have are friends. I've learned from the past. I've been in fights with several of my friends here, and almost lost some great ones. Ask FlamingTorchic and frostweaver. You don't want to risk all of that over just one thing, do you?

And sorry if I've said some things that have already been said by other members. I don't have enough time to read through the whole thread.
 
Har de har. Immature moderators make me chuckle. I don't consider their sort authority at all. Mods who resign for no apparent reason are even worse. If you can't take the heat simply watching over a few hundred posters on a message board, then I'd hate to see you handle similar roles in real life.

On the subject of insulting mods: it should be dealt with in the same way as showing insolence to a regular forum member would be (warning/formal warning - whatever). I don't recall ever being told that I had to show ++respect to every member of the moderating team. If they do/say something stupid then I see no reason why someone shouldn't point it out. Their status doesn't automatically earn them the right to speak down to you.

In that sense, Frostweaver, I applaud thee. :chinese:
 
In the original set of rules, we had an ?especially staff members? tacked on to the end of the respect everyone rule, which probably made it worse (Though I doubt anyone really reads the rules anyways) =\

The role-playing as he said only becomes a problem once someone replies to the action with a usually unrelated action. In the example, the topic should have continued on about age with no direct replies to the aforementioned roleplay, except maybe a ?That?s funny *person name* XD? or something, if they?re posting in the topic anyways. People seem to skim the topic then answer its question (I.E. Hair color?). No real discussion ever goes on anymore, or really anyone sitting down and reading, then interacting with the topic. At least that?s how I feel, probably because I?m often guilty of it. (Not the roleplay, but the skimming thingie)
 
I honestly see nothing wrong with roleplaying. (I'm one of them after all!) As long as it's on-topic, (like Frostweaver and Kairi said) there shouldn't be a problem. It actually brightens up a post in a way! At least you get you use your imagination.
 
Everyone here who is a good member deserves respect, no matter what their status is.

I do kind of skim through the pages sometimes also... I think a lot of people do. o_o; We all need to work on that.

And as long as the people will contribute something to the topic, adding in some extra roleplaying would be fine. Just don't turn a thread about what you eat into a thread about attacking other people virtually. XD
 
Lol, I agree with the no thinking part. Hardly any threads that we have anymore do a lot of thinking, most are just simple little threads, and not much thought goes into the whole thing =/

~DragonTrainer:dragonite
 
Kayleigh said:
Everyone here who is a good member deserves respect, no matter what their status is.

I do kind of skim through the pages sometimes also... I think a lot of people do. o_o; We all need to work on that.

And as long as the people will contribute something to the topic, adding in some extra roleplaying would be fine. Just don't turn a thread about what you eat into a thread about attacking other people virtually. XD
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Hmm, I have to warn PM10000 hehe....
I try to stick to the topic, but one can't help but change the subject sometimes...
*sweatdrops*
We're all human anyway!
 
Yeah. I love little fun simple threads asking you different questions, but it would be nice to have a little bit of discussion in them too, instead of 'I _______' etc. etc. etc. There are some other things to talk and comment about.

And yeah, it's okay Jordan. Probably everyone here has done it. I guess you just have to control yourself sometimes.
 
Don't get me wrong, those thread are cool and everything, just a lot of the time replies are like 8 or so, and in some places *coughMVPcough*, a lot of off-topic discussion goes around . Not really something I want to read -_-. I'm guilty of it, I use to do it a lot.

~DragonTrainer:dragonite
 
Lol... name me 1 thread that's full of discussions, and it isn't even closed yet... the closest one is probably Passion of Christ in the entertainment section.

When PC can start a flame war out of a simple discussion talking about heigh, or out of "what's your favorite type of Pokemon" (both resulted in banning, one resulted in Sean's depromotion, with the other one started the infamous Iveechan returning thread), you know that PC got some serious issues regarding maturity. Because of these just what should have been simple discussions turning into flame wars, mods put a stop to a discussion more and more easily. In these situations, we really lose those good old discussions such as Dakota's monthly "creation vs religion" and alike. It'll be so nice if we get some serious discussions mixed with the more relaxing threads. A balance of both will be nice. However right now it's quite one sided...
 
100marios said:
Hmm, I have to warn PM10000 hehe....
I try to stick to the topic, but one can't help but change the subject sometimes...
*sweatdrops*
We're all human anyway!
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You just had to mention me eh? XD
*shoves Jordan around*
It was all your fault anyways. :P

To stick to the topic, I think what Frosty said about Pokeland partially isn't true.
Although I think I know whats the problem with the One Above.
I think it's the small quantity of members that post there. I thought about it...I mean wouldn't it be boring to describe a person that you already described more than twice? For example:
Person 1: ^is nice (or something like that)
Person 2: ^is a active poster
Person 1: ^Joined in December
Person 2: ^Birthdays in June
......then there'd be another person posting there once in a while.
It'll keep continuing until they repeat the same information again.
Really dull... :sleeping:

The other threads, they're doing fine except that there's a smaller amount of people posting there.
 
Yea, I admit, this place has a problem with maturity. I admit it as well, I am a bit immature at times. I wish we could get those old threads back, they were very good, I learned a lot of things from those threads ^^''. But I guess those threads are out of the question for the moment -_-

~DragonTrainer:dragonite
 
Pokemaster10000 said:
You just had to mention me eh? XD
*shoves Jordan around*
It was all your fault anyways. :P

To stick to the topic, I think what Frosty said about Pokeland partially isn't true.
Although I think I know whats the problem with the One Above.
I think it's the small quantity of members that post there. I thought about it...I mean wouldn't it be boring to describe a person that you already described more than twice? For example:
Person 1: ^is nice (or something like that)
Person 2: ^is a active poster
Person 1: ^Joined in December
Person 2: ^Birthdays in June
......then there'd be another person posting there once in a while.
It'll keep continuing until they repeat the same information again.
Really dull... :sleeping:

The other threads, they're doing fine except that there's a smaller amount of people posting there.
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During the old days there are 20 participants at least in the one above every day and it's quite fresh. Plus creativity is really fun back then =) But then everyone "left" the place after awhile... And it happens to be right when post count is gone from the one above. If only the reference is still here, you can check how often 22sa cries when he lost 1000 post cout becase the one above got deleted.

Plus... you yourself is acting quite hypocritical to what you say. If i remember, what's with the constant use of "E" in the pokemon trivia thread? Back then i tried to say "let's be a bit creative and do some other letters" but oh no you turn it back to "E" everytime because it's "fun." I don't know if this still happens now, but certainly happened before for 1 month at least. This constant repeat of "E" is like how "repetitive" is was in your the One Above example. Obviously... if both are so repetitive, how come one thread lives and the other dies? *hint hint?*
 
frostweaver said:
Plus... you yourself is acting quite hypocritical to what you say. If i remember, what's with the constant use of "E" in the pokemon trivia thread? Back then i tried to say "let's be a bit creative and do some other letters" but oh no you turn it back to "E" everytime because it's "fun." I don't know if this still happens now, but certainly happened before for 1 month at least. This constant repeat of "E" is like how "repetitive" is was in your the One Above example. Obviously... if both are so repetitive, how come one thread lives and the other dies? *hint hint?*
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Oh both are dying alright....
Go look back at that Section and see when was the last time I've ever posted on that Name game and moves game. If I did post on it, it would be something that was atleast 3 lines long.
(hint)I gave up on it a long time ago. :P
And about the e repeating problem I quited on that a long time ago. But some other member (I'm not saying who) started it again.
 
I'm glad I quit posting in that area, long ago too. It's like so pointless, well, at least to me anyways, it's like a repeating cycle with no point -_-. Ah, oh well, I have nothing against it, I don't hate it or anything, I just think it's a tad bland =/

~DragonTrainer:dragonite
 
DragonTrainer said:
I'm glad I quit posting in that area, long ago too. It's like so pointless, well, at least to me anyways, it's like a repeating cycle with no point -_-. Ah, oh well, I have nothing against it, I don't hate it or anything, I just think it's a tad bland =/

~DragonTrainer:dragonite
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Ahem... the game can be very meaningful if we pull up some hardly seen moves in there... I have to wonder how many times role play, icicle spear, snatch or barrage is used there... Using breeding moves are other good ways to make the game way less "boring and pointless."

And seems like the idea of "do not repeat whatever is said above you but instead add something to the conversation" seems to be something very difficult to do in PC... as plenty of people (who says that they agree with this problem existing) are just doing the exact same stuff as before... let's try our best to work on all of this, instead of saying "yeah i agree...".
 
This is a thread that is meant to share our thoughts on what could make PC better, right? Well, I have an idea...

Why don't we try and get members to post more thoughtful posts by going around setting a good example? As you can tell from my recent posts I have been working on it, and I feel that if most people are up to making their posts more thoughtful, then eventually everyone will join in. You know kids, they get interesting in stuff that everyone is doing. =P
 
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