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Part discussion, part resource, part rant. I said i would post this thread so here it is. ;) Note: This isnt just OU pokemon, it can be in any tier.
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TY crystal. ;) <3
Assault Vest
Air Balloon
Choice Items
These items are some of the best items in the game, with the exception of "air balloon" (ill come to this in a minute) and are also some of the most misused, overly spammed and can be downright useless on alot of pokemon yet people still feel the need to use them wrong and on the wrong pokemon which leaves them weak, set up bait, useless, dead weight and nothing more than glorified death fodder and ill explain why.
Air Balloon
When i see this used on the wrong pokemon it makes me cringe and wince. This item should be used on pokemon whose counters are ONLY AND MAINLY ground type foes. This should be obvious but its clearly not if you battle alot. Yet i keep seeing garbage like Air Balloon Heatran whom is not a good user of the item and ill explain why. Ground type pokemon (with the exception of water/ground pokemon, who will use Scald anyway if you have a Balloon) DO NOT COUNTER or CHECK Heatran if they can avoid it. Most people will either be switching in either special walls or water types. This means YOUR BALLOON IS ABSOLUTELY USELESS 99% of the time. Congratulations you've wasted an item slot. Heatrans selling points are that it can hit insanely hard with either Life Orb or Specs or use Leftovers or Scarf to check things thanks to its beautiful numerous resistances. So.....WHY THE HELL ARE YOU USING AN ITEM THAT SERVES NO PURPOSE AND IS LOST AFTER THE SMALLEST OF TAPS? It doesnt even help you beat its ground type revenge killers because Garchomp and Lando arent OHKO'd by anything, neither is Gliscor etc and all 3 can just pop it then waste you. Dragonite doesnt care either or anything with ground type coverage. Do yourself a favor and stop using Air Balloon Heatran. Jolteon and Raikou and other grounded electric types are also bad users of the move because it makes them weak and it still doesnt help you beat most ground types because they can still pop it, again making you waste a slot. Good users are Excadrill and Aegislash (once upon a time it let it spinblock Excadrill too) for example because ground types actually switch into these pokemon and they have the power to be able to afford to use it. Honestly in the context on how useful this item actually is to the ratio of how many pokemon can use it well, this item is in my opinion one of the worse items in the game.
Assault Vest
Oh boy. Im always going on about this one yet people continue to do so. To use this item you must have the following combination of requirements imo 1) Psuedo Healing without the need for non damaging healing moves because of passing up leftovers so as thus being easy to wear down 2)Acceptable/Good bulk 3)A good movepool 4)Not weak to every entry hazard going, mostly Stealth Rocks aka good durability and switching in ability 5)Acceptable power and not be walled by everything. 6) Good typing. So having said this, Goodra, Amoongus, Bisharp, Raikou, Excadrill, Kyurem-B, Emploeon, Azumarril and the like ARE ABSOLUTELY GARBAGE USERS OF THE ITEM. They either have no recovery, weak without item/set up move boosts (also Pursuit bait because of this) which gives up momentum and are essentially set up fodder or just weak to every entry hazard in existence. Good Ass Vest users examples are the following: Slowbro, Tornadus-T (rare exception for a flying type because of regen so hazards dont apply), Slowking, Tangrowth, [all the aforementioned have Regen and all of the above rules that apply to them] Kechleon (Protean STAB Drain Punch), Ludicolo (STAB Giga Drain), Hoopa-U (stupidly good attack and special defense and Drain Punch), Khangaskhan (Drain Punch + Pup), Conkeldurr (STAB Drain Punch) etc. You get the point. Again, STOP USING STUFF LIKE ASSAULT VEST AZUMARRIL/BISHARP/RAIKOU, THEY ARE BAD AND DONT STOP ANYTHING, ARE WEAK AND EASY TO WEAR DOWN AND YOU SHOULD FEEL BAD.
Choice Items.
Similar in that people seem to be clueless about how to use these. To use these items you must have the following requirements imo 1)Power, as to not be literal set up bait 2)Amazing Neutral Coverage (this is better than SE coverage on choice users because then you have to spend less time predicting and more time crushing whatever they send in, also stops being set up bait) OR a scouting move like U-Turn, BP, Volt switch to mitigate this 3) Speed (with Scarf so you can actually revenge kill and check relevant things and with the other choice items if it cannot switch in easily or isnt durable, speed will mitigate this because then you wont need to take hits, having priority also mitigates this) 4)NOT be weak to every single entry hazard and take too much supporting to even be worth it. 5. Durability 6) Ease of switching in. So once again, prime examples of ass choice users are Excadrill (easy to wall STAB combo, EQ is easy to set up on and switch in and Iron Head has alot of resists, Rock Slide is weak etc), Scarf Kyurem-B (easy to wall STAB combo, not particularly fast, weak and honestly kills Kyurem-b's breaking power which is its best selling point, Stealth Rock weak etc), Raikou and Jolteon (weak outside of their STAB moves, Volt Switch doesnt mitigate this because Ground types are switching in on these most of the time so you give up momentum, mediocre coverage etc), Scarf Lati@s (pursuit bait, weak, fairy set up bait), Scarf Magnezone (weak, ground types stop its "momentum" by blocking volt switch, slow), Scarf Salamence/Gyarados (weak, poor coverage, Stealth Rock weak). Scarf Moltres (lol Stealth Rock bait, weak, slow, not worth supporting for the "upsides", bad movepool etc) Good users of choice items are: Scarf/Band Garchomp (STAB combo wrecks everything wanting to switch into it, fast, good typing, good neutral coverage), Scarf/Band Landorus-T (see Garchomp but with U-Turn and Knock Off and Intimidate > STAB combo, speed and neutral coverage), Specs/Scarf Gothitelle (picks what it wants to remove due to Shadow Tag, has Trick and T-Wave so isnt set up fodder, enough power and coverage, however can be Pursuit revenge killed) Specs Keldeo (neutral coverage, power, basically all of the requirements), Specs/Scarf Heatran (see requirements), Specs Magnezone (typing, power, everything - speed), Choice Band Crawdaunt (Power, Priority, Neutral coverage however switching in and durability leave alot to be desired and so does speed) etc. You get the point. There are some exeptions such as CB Talonflame who is horrendously stealth rock weak but its just about worth supporting because of its huge pay offs (STAB powerful priority, good typing, revenge killing ability etc).
/rant.
Discuss? And what abominable use of these items have you seen and what in your opinion are good and bad users of these items and what makes them good and bad users of them? Also what other items on pokemon do you think are trash?
Red text is sponsered by user "Castform" who told me to spam it. :)
TY crystal. ;) <3
Assault Vest
Air Balloon
Choice Items
These items are some of the best items in the game, with the exception of "air balloon" (ill come to this in a minute) and are also some of the most misused, overly spammed and can be downright useless on alot of pokemon yet people still feel the need to use them wrong and on the wrong pokemon which leaves them weak, set up bait, useless, dead weight and nothing more than glorified death fodder and ill explain why.
Air Balloon
When i see this used on the wrong pokemon it makes me cringe and wince. This item should be used on pokemon whose counters are ONLY AND MAINLY ground type foes. This should be obvious but its clearly not if you battle alot. Yet i keep seeing garbage like Air Balloon Heatran whom is not a good user of the item and ill explain why. Ground type pokemon (with the exception of water/ground pokemon, who will use Scald anyway if you have a Balloon) DO NOT COUNTER or CHECK Heatran if they can avoid it. Most people will either be switching in either special walls or water types. This means YOUR BALLOON IS ABSOLUTELY USELESS 99% of the time. Congratulations you've wasted an item slot. Heatrans selling points are that it can hit insanely hard with either Life Orb or Specs or use Leftovers or Scarf to check things thanks to its beautiful numerous resistances. So.....WHY THE HELL ARE YOU USING AN ITEM THAT SERVES NO PURPOSE AND IS LOST AFTER THE SMALLEST OF TAPS? It doesnt even help you beat its ground type revenge killers because Garchomp and Lando arent OHKO'd by anything, neither is Gliscor etc and all 3 can just pop it then waste you. Dragonite doesnt care either or anything with ground type coverage. Do yourself a favor and stop using Air Balloon Heatran. Jolteon and Raikou and other grounded electric types are also bad users of the move because it makes them weak and it still doesnt help you beat most ground types because they can still pop it, again making you waste a slot. Good users are Excadrill and Aegislash (once upon a time it let it spinblock Excadrill too) for example because ground types actually switch into these pokemon and they have the power to be able to afford to use it. Honestly in the context on how useful this item actually is to the ratio of how many pokemon can use it well, this item is in my opinion one of the worse items in the game.
Assault Vest
Oh boy. Im always going on about this one yet people continue to do so. To use this item you must have the following combination of requirements imo 1) Psuedo Healing without the need for non damaging healing moves because of passing up leftovers so as thus being easy to wear down 2)Acceptable/Good bulk 3)A good movepool 4)Not weak to every entry hazard going, mostly Stealth Rocks aka good durability and switching in ability 5)Acceptable power and not be walled by everything. 6) Good typing. So having said this, Goodra, Amoongus, Bisharp, Raikou, Excadrill, Kyurem-B, Emploeon, Azumarril and the like ARE ABSOLUTELY GARBAGE USERS OF THE ITEM. They either have no recovery, weak without item/set up move boosts (also Pursuit bait because of this) which gives up momentum and are essentially set up fodder or just weak to every entry hazard in existence. Good Ass Vest users examples are the following: Slowbro, Tornadus-T (rare exception for a flying type because of regen so hazards dont apply), Slowking, Tangrowth, [all the aforementioned have Regen and all of the above rules that apply to them] Kechleon (Protean STAB Drain Punch), Ludicolo (STAB Giga Drain), Hoopa-U (stupidly good attack and special defense and Drain Punch), Khangaskhan (Drain Punch + Pup), Conkeldurr (STAB Drain Punch) etc. You get the point. Again, STOP USING STUFF LIKE ASSAULT VEST AZUMARRIL/BISHARP/RAIKOU, THEY ARE BAD AND DONT STOP ANYTHING, ARE WEAK AND EASY TO WEAR DOWN AND YOU SHOULD FEEL BAD.
Choice Items.
Similar in that people seem to be clueless about how to use these. To use these items you must have the following requirements imo 1)Power, as to not be literal set up bait 2)Amazing Neutral Coverage (this is better than SE coverage on choice users because then you have to spend less time predicting and more time crushing whatever they send in, also stops being set up bait) OR a scouting move like U-Turn, BP, Volt switch to mitigate this 3) Speed (with Scarf so you can actually revenge kill and check relevant things and with the other choice items if it cannot switch in easily or isnt durable, speed will mitigate this because then you wont need to take hits, having priority also mitigates this) 4)NOT be weak to every single entry hazard and take too much supporting to even be worth it. 5. Durability 6) Ease of switching in. So once again, prime examples of ass choice users are Excadrill (easy to wall STAB combo, EQ is easy to set up on and switch in and Iron Head has alot of resists, Rock Slide is weak etc), Scarf Kyurem-B (easy to wall STAB combo, not particularly fast, weak and honestly kills Kyurem-b's breaking power which is its best selling point, Stealth Rock weak etc), Raikou and Jolteon (weak outside of their STAB moves, Volt Switch doesnt mitigate this because Ground types are switching in on these most of the time so you give up momentum, mediocre coverage etc), Scarf Lati@s (pursuit bait, weak, fairy set up bait), Scarf Magnezone (weak, ground types stop its "momentum" by blocking volt switch, slow), Scarf Salamence/Gyarados (weak, poor coverage, Stealth Rock weak). Scarf Moltres (lol Stealth Rock bait, weak, slow, not worth supporting for the "upsides", bad movepool etc) Good users of choice items are: Scarf/Band Garchomp (STAB combo wrecks everything wanting to switch into it, fast, good typing, good neutral coverage), Scarf/Band Landorus-T (see Garchomp but with U-Turn and Knock Off and Intimidate > STAB combo, speed and neutral coverage), Specs/Scarf Gothitelle (picks what it wants to remove due to Shadow Tag, has Trick and T-Wave so isnt set up fodder, enough power and coverage, however can be Pursuit revenge killed) Specs Keldeo (neutral coverage, power, basically all of the requirements), Specs/Scarf Heatran (see requirements), Specs Magnezone (typing, power, everything - speed), Choice Band Crawdaunt (Power, Priority, Neutral coverage however switching in and durability leave alot to be desired and so does speed) etc. You get the point. There are some exeptions such as CB Talonflame who is horrendously stealth rock weak but its just about worth supporting because of its huge pay offs (STAB powerful priority, good typing, revenge killing ability etc).
/rant.
Discuss? And what abominable use of these items have you seen and what in your opinion are good and bad users of these items and what makes them good and bad users of them? Also what other items on pokemon do you think are trash?
Red text is sponsered by user "Castform" who told me to spam it. :)
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