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Bidoof Island [Game Over, Epilogue Pending]

twiggy is making things difficult.
 
JohnnyMustang said:
Ullion picked an interesting role to claim if he is mafia, because: why would someone counter claim that? Anyway, I do find it rather odd that Gunner revealed so fast, but... What can a mafia possibly win by claiming so fast just to lynch someone? I don't think she would do such a stupid move being mafia. Besides, the mafia roles are pretty shitty to be honest, the best they can do is just lay low. (Watch out for those)

[KILL]Ullion
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We should be careful making assumptions like that really, it'd be obvious if people who are normally very proactive and talkative suddenly started being really quiet. If the mafia are smart they'll probably not be acting any different to how they usually would.
 
screw it, I'm trusting gunner this time.

[Kill] Ullion
 
JohnnyMustang said:
Ullion picked an interesting role to claim if he is mafia, because: why would someone counter claim that? Anyway, I do find it rather odd that Gunner revealed so fast, but... What can a mafia possibly win by claiming so fast just to lynch someone? I don't think she would do such a stupid move being mafia. Besides, the mafia roles are pretty ****ty to be honest, the best they can do is just lay low. (Watch out for those)

[KILL]Ullion
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Picked? Picked?! I did not "pick" a role to claim. I claimed the role I was given because the mafia probably found out my role via the first event, or something. And they wanted the bomb gone, so they decided to take a chance to take me out this day and when I come out inno, then they can try and do something to make Gunner look inno next day. At worst, their attempt will keep gunner alive an extra day longer (since she would die immediately if they tried to night kill me as opposed to having an extra night with her if I get lynched then people suss her on the next day phase).

But if we can smarten up and turn the BW against her before I die, then we can at least get one of them beforehand. :/ Or you know, throw the opportunity away, that's cool too.
 
If we could have some counterclaims, that would be nice. Someone should be able to counter claim. It's in the best interest of everyone, lol.
 
Well, there would be one counterclaim, but I highly suggest you dont do it yet, because you're the real cop, and if you ever find shinies real cop, they are the real deal.
 
Omicron said:
By voting for gunner then for ullion.

Gunner, wtf are you trying to say there.
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Not seeing how Twiggy doing this is "making things difficult"

If anything Omi, you're sus for trying to ask for CCs from other players, and looks more like you're trying to get the other cop to out themselves
 
Superjolt said:
Not seeing how Twiggy doing this is "making things difficult"

If anything Omi, you're sus for trying to ask for CCs from other players, and looks more like you're trying to get the other cop to out themselves
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Voting for Gunner right out of the bat made him look suss, Gunner claimed that Ulli is maf and changed his vote to Ullion. Why would he vote for someone right out of the bat if he wasn't either a) trying to start a bandwagon against an inno or b) knew gunner was mafia? Changing his vote to ullion just made things more complicated and made any reading more complicated. Is he against Gunner or does he support her now? That's how it makes things more difficult.

Also, my CC was more directed towards the DynoBidoof. Unless data was manipulated somehow, either Gunner or Ullion are lying. CC for the DynoBidoof would be a non issue since mafia won't kill them and would help settle things. Also, I wouldn't ask for a cop that isn't aware of what is their sanity to RR. If Gunner is lying, though, and someone else is sure that they are the insane cop, then that would help settle things as well.

Also, Ulli got something with the riddle. I'm not sure if it's information or what, but it could be a vest for all we know, so let's hope he does die with the lynch.
 
Neither of the real cops should out themselves to show gunner is maf. Once I die, it'll be painfully obvious. Omi is right, if I were lying, then the bomb outing themselves would be much better. That won't happen though, because I'm the real DynoDoof. And now I'm being killed off because everyone is willing to believe gunner's quick insane cop claim. :|
 
Sorry Ullion. I'll make Gunner's death extra painful if she's lying.
 
Davepetasprite^2 said:
omi pls. im claiming crazy cop, and that the real cop should not out, just yet.
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If you're the crazy cop, your role PM should appear as if you were the regular cop, per the OP ("the crazy cop will appear to themselves as the regular cop"). This is how insane cops work in most games, where both cops work with each other to determine who is who. So if you're claiming insane cop, you must have found out somehow that you were crazy. Would you like to explain?
 
TheCapsFan said:
If you're the crazy cop, your role PM should appear as if you were the regular cop, per the OP ("the crazy cop will appear to themselves as the regular cop"). This is how insane cops work in most games, where both cops work with each other to determine who is who. So if you're claiming insane cop, you must have found out somehow that you were crazy. Would you like to explain?
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She explained earlier that Lostelle, aka Batdoof, appeared as mafia when investigated and that Ullion appeared as inno when investigated.
 
Omicron said:
Voting for Gunner right out of the bat made him look suss, Gunner claimed that Ulli is maf and changed his vote to Ullion. Why would he vote for someone right out of the bat if he wasn't either a) trying to start a bandwagon against an inno or b) knew gunner was mafia? Changing his vote to ullion just made things more complicated and made any reading more complicated. Is he against Gunner or does he support her now? That's how it makes things more difficult.

Also, my CC was more directed towards the DynoBidoof. Unless data was manipulated somehow, either Gunner or Ullion are lying. CC for the DynoBidoof would be a non issue since mafia won't kill them and would help settle things. Also, I wouldn't ask for a cop that isn't aware of what is their sanity to RR. If Gunner is lying, though, and someone else is sure that they are the insane cop, then that would help settle things as well.

Also, Ulli got something with the riddle. I'm not sure if it's information or what, but it could be a vest for all we know, so let's hope he does die with the lynch.
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Voting "right off the bat" isn't scummy, though. You're assuming he was attempting to get a wagon forming on Gunner, but he even said it was a random vote. If it were a serious vote or if he really wanted a bandwagon to form, then why not push for the wagon or convince people to vote for Gunner? If he were against Gunner, why not keep his vote on her instead of switching to Ullion? (Also, there are other reasons for voting besides trying to start bandwagons or having a cop guilty on someone, y'know?)

Also, let me ask you this - why is Twiggy's random vote suspicious, but Sun's random vote isn't?

Why would you want a CC for the DynoDoof...? If the mafia targets them for a kill, they would take a mafia down with them, but if they're outed, then we lose that chance. Like even Johnny pointed this out I think. Also if Gunner is lying and Ullion flips town, then she would be insta-lynched tomorrow, so why take that risk?
 
Superjolt said:
Voting "right off the bat" isn't scummy, though. You're assuming he was attempting to get a wagon forming on Gunner, but he even said it was a random vote. If it were a serious vote or if he really wanted a bandwagon to form, then why not push for the wagon or convince people to vote for Gunner? If he were against Gunner, why not keep his vote on her instead of switching to Ullion? (Also, there are other reasons for voting besides trying to start bandwagons or having a cop guilty on someone, y'know?)

Also, let me ask you this - why is Twiggy's random vote suspicious, but Sun's random vote isn't?

Why would you want a CC for the DynoDoof...? If the mafia targets them for a kill, they would take a mafia down with them, but if they're outed, then we lose that chance. Like even Johnny pointed this out I think. Also if Gunner is lying and Ullion flips town, then she would be insta-lynched tomorrow, so why take that risk?
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Voting right off the bat with no prior discussion and no information in a phase post to indicate otherwise is scummy in my books. It also was the whole situation, Sun randomly voting for Gunner as well, that made everything look even scummier. There's been a lot of wagons formed on supposed random votes as well.

I never said Sun's random vote wasn't suspicious, lol. Sun hasn't changed his vote, though. Twiggy has, which is what sparked my first comment. I'm still suss of Sun.

Consider the possible outcomes. If Gunner is lying, we lose one inno and kill a mafia the next day. If Gunner is telling the truth we kill one maf and possibly lose Gunner to the mafia. If DynoDoof CCs, we could confirm what Gunner is saying, killing one mafia, while the doctor does not have to worry about protecting them, essentially making their job easier. False CC would also not occur because it essentially gives away another mafia member. And while yes, DynoDoof killing someone if targeted is a possibility, we depend a lot on chance and time. The best for the town is to speed up things. The longer it takes to eliminate the mafia, the more of an advantage they get.
 
Omicron said:
She explained earlier that Lostelle, aka Batdoof, appeared as mafia when investigated and that Ullion appeared as inno when investigated.
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In that case, [VOTE]: Ullion. I wasn't reading you mafia (in fact I was leaning scum on gunner a bit, but he's always leaning scum for me) but I'd be willing to test this out.
 
Omicron said:
Voting right off the bat with no prior discussion and no information in a phase post to indicate otherwise is scummy in my books. It also was the whole situation, Sun randomly voting for Gunner as well, that made everything look even scummier. There's been a lot of wagons formed on supposed random votes as well.

I never said Sun's random vote wasn't suspicious, lol. Sun hasn't changed his vote, though. Twiggy has, which is what sparked my first comment. I'm still suss of Sun.

Consider the possible outcomes. If Gunner is lying, we lose one inno and kill a mafia the next day. If Gunner is telling the truth we kill one maf and possibly lose Gunner to the mafia. If DynoDoof CCs, we could confirm what Gunner is saying, killing one mafia, while the doctor does not have to worry about protecting them, essentially making their job easier. False CC would also not occur because it essentially gives away another mafia member. And while yes, DynoDoof killing someone if targeted is a possibility, we depend a lot on chance and time. The best for the town is to speed up things. The longer it takes to eliminate the mafia, the more of an advantage they get.
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Wouldn't the person keeping their vote on the claimed cop be more suspicious than the one who took their vote off though? This is why I'm confused about why you mentioned Twiggy over Sun (and you haven't said anything about Sun yet previously). I also agree about Sun being sus.

If someone really wants to CC Ullion I won't stop them I guess, but I think having them stay hidden is better, having scum worry about "ohh I hope I don't hit that role..." is probably better imo. Also if they stay hidden, I don't think doc protection is much of an issue because what are the chances of the doc targeting the player with that role?
TheCapsFan said:
In that case, [VOTE]: Ullion. I wasn't reading you mafia (in fact I was leaning scum on gunner a bit, but he's always leaning scum for me) but I'd be willing to test this out.
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Hey CapsFan, does this mean you're town reading Omi? Also can you answer this question from D1 when you get the chance?
Superjolt said:
@CapsFan, are you voting Bard because he was the one who initially proposed the plan?
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On another note, slight FOS on Oddball for choosing not to vote after Gunner claimed EDIT: Nvm, it was actually before Gunner claimed outright (though she had hinted at it a few posts before Oddball posted).
 
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