Colour changes

[Alexander Nicholi]

I want to see what the idea/sentiment is for usergroup colour changes, for both staff and supporters, whichever. Specifically though I want to share and gauge an idea that maybe hasn't been brought up before, that instead of outright changing the usergroup colours that we accentuate the ones we already have, kind of like this:



Founder, Administrator, Super Moderator, Moderator, Platinum, Crystal, Gold, Silver, and also Battle Server Staff




In all honesty I think changes like these would be absolutely lovely, and would give a breath of fresh air to people's postbits without being to liberal about it

 

[Alexander Nicholi]

Is it bad if I said that the proposed Platinum usergroup color literally looks like piss? .__. Not really a fan of it, and I personally don't see what's wrong with what we have now; I'd argue it's even better than the BSS color and that purple is pretty hot.

Eh, it's supposed to be platinum under a light. It really doesn't look that way to me, I'd say Gold would more but w/e

 

[Deleted member 143209]

I honestly think that is changing things for the sake of changing them and would take more effort than it's worth for us to update plugins, templates, usergroup markup, BB codes, and more. Which would be completely needless.

That said, I proposed working on PokéCommunitu branding this Summer. Which would include looking deeper into our flagship colours that we use for our logo, usergroups, official material and releases etc. This means that a minor change now will both be mostly a pointless endeavour as well as being made redundant in a few months. Especially because the change is so minor it would barely be noticed. I know people think colours should be changed willy nilly, but honestly if PokéCommunity wants to expand into more than a forum then we will need to consider our brand, and colours are an important aspect of said branding.

 

[Alexander Nicholi]

I honestly think that is changing things for the sake of changing them and would take more effort than it's worth for us to update plugins, templates, usergroup markup, BB codes, and more. Which would be completely needless.

That said, I proposed working on PokéCommunitu branding this Summer. Which would include looking deeper into our flagship colours that we use for our logo, usergroups, official material and releases etc. This means that a minor change now will both be mostly a pointless endeavour as well as being made redundant in a few months. Especially because the change is so minor it would barely be noticed. I know people think colours should be changed willy nilly, but honestly if PokéCommunity wants to expand into more than a forum then we will need to consider our brand, and colours are an important aspect of said branding.

Yeah but there's that FF9900

Care to expand on that brand subject, then? What does it have to do with usergroup colours?


Also, this just occurred to me about all of the jibber jabber you mentioned updating: Where's your code integration? Surely PC is more modular than that.

 

[Deleted member 143209]

Yeah but there's that FF9900

Yes, that is a colour, nicely spotted.

Also, this just occurred to me about all of the jibber jabber you mentioned updating: Where's your code integration? Surely PC is more modular than that.

I'm not even going to answer this question it's beside the point. If you want to learn more about vBulliten and web development there's plenty of tutorials online.

Care to expand on that brand subject, then? What does it have to do with usergroup colours?

Like I say, most of the branding discussion will be had among staff this Summer when I come back from my leave. The brand colours may very well be reflected by our staff/PC usergroups. So that is something we will be discussing when the time comes.

 

[Alexander Nicholi]

Yes, that is a colour, nicely spotted.

Hm?

I'm not even going to answer this question it's beside the point. If you want to learn more about vBulliten and web development there's plenty of tutorials online.

Something tells me you're really not that interested in discussion.

Like I say, most of the branding discussion will be had among staff this Summer when I come back from my leave. The brand colours may very well be reflected by our staff/PC usergroups. So that is something we will be discussing when the time comes.

I only asked so as to gauge it's relevance in this discussion here.


To be frank as needless as it may seem aesthetics play a huge role in subconscious perception. And honestly some of the colours have long stood to be changed. But that's just me.

 

[curiousnathan]

I don't see the need to change them, personally. I'm quite happy with how things are now; obviously that doesn't mean that everyone is but until they become an integral part of PC's "branding," I think a change would be redundant.

Unless of course mods switch out blue for assistant admin green; ITS BEAUTIFUL OK

 

[Alexander Nicholi]

So far what I've seen @ this discussion is (1) me asking "why not change these colours", (2) getting a response telling me it'd be a chore, and (3) my reply asking about code modularity, surely there'd be a struct or array a thing like that'd be kept in, and no reply to that yet ???

Bar the other replies saying we don't need to - who says we need to? What do we actually need to do here? Also see my 'why not' sequence above. as for it being superfluous, I deny that because it's an aesthetic change. it matters more than your conscience likes to give credit, believe me.

 

[Nihilego]

There's a reason why colour changes keep getting turned down - because they're not worth the hassle. We're fine with what we've got, there is not much advantage to changing them, and as Gavin said there is reason to keep them as they are for now. As usual, it isn't going to happen.

Trust me, btw - we definitely appreciate the importance of aesthetics here. d:

 

[Hikamaru]

I'm with Nathan here. I think the usergroup colors look perfect just the way they are, and while some may not be easily visible on some skins they do at least heavily represent the PokeCommunity brand, as Gavin mentioned.

 

[Alexander Nicholi]

I'm with Nathan here. I think the usergroup colors look perfect just the way they are, and while some may not be easily visible on some skins they do at least heavily represent the PokeCommunity brand, as Gavin mentioned.

If we're perfectly honest admin red hijacks your eye from the rest of the page. As does s-mod, but more annoyingly. And that's strange because we can hardly see two of the supporter ranks.

There's a reason why colour changes keep getting turned down - because they're not worth the hassle. We're fine with what we've got, there is not much advantage to changing them, and as Gavin said there is reason to keep them as they are for now. As usual, it isn't going to happen.

Trust me, btw - we definitely appreciate the importance of aesthetics here. d:

Well... I hope the load of feature requests and to-dos won't suppress matters under the hood for you all. It seems that's the reason for the slop.

I can understand, then. It's too bad.

 

[Her]

The so-called brands are already well-established and have support from the majority of the community. Besides, the level of nitpicking that would happen if the colours got changed is something I think few would care to see, particularly if the majority are against the change in the first place.

 

[El Héroe Oscuro]

First off, I think it should be stated that there's nothing wrong about this suggestion in terms of it, well, being suggested. Seems to me that it would make the usernames pop a little more. That being said, just speaking on a visual standpoint, the problem I have is that all of these colored usernames popping would hide the usernames that are not staff/supporter status; it would create two height levels of usernames. I feel like adding shadows to some but not all ranks would just create a headache (at least it would for me looking at it.)

Also that Platinum tier color combined with the shadow is just absolutely horrible haha. It grosses me out.

 

[Squirrel]

If colour changes were instantly said "yes" to the whole site would be repainted once a week when someone else decides "ohhh I want to be pink now", "ohhh now I feel like red!", "ohhh let's all be italic now *o*". I agree the Platinum/Crystal supporter colours right now aren't very distinct but at least we have a basis for the rank colours right now so there's something to be agreed on haha. Until there's a good reason to change the colours (like when those horrible greens were removed ;p) I'm not sure there's much to gain from the changes when most ranks are already very distinct/noticeable (again, bar Crystal/Plat) right now.

As a side note I really wouldn't want to see the shadows on usernames or really anything to make mod/admin names bigger, I think admins/mods are already very distinguishable from regular members and if anything I'd prefer to see this go in the other direction.

 

[Deleted member 143209]

As a side note I really wouldn't want to see the shadows on usernames or really anything to make mod/admin names bigger, I think admins/mods are already very distinguishable from regular members and if anything I'd prefer to see this go in the other direction.

The only issue with shadows is that they will be very difficult to make look nice across all styles. Dark shadows will look bad on light skins and vice versa:

Spoiler:

We can't really change them per-style either because it brings in the problem of usergroup markup inconsistency. Style formatting is something I'm open to working on though, I'd rather keep colours consistent with how we've had them for a while now. If we change them again I want it to be for a good purpose, such as being consistent with our possible visual brand/logo solidification and improvement.

 

[Nick]

I thought this was a thread about bringing back the AA color, which was flawless.

 

[Squirrel]

I thought this was a thread about bringing back the AA color, which was flawless.

Now that's a change I could get behind. ~.~

 

[Alexander Nicholi]

First off, I think it should be stated that there's nothing wrong about this suggestion in terms of it, well, being suggested. Seems to me that it would make the usernames pop a little more. That being said, just speaking on a visual standpoint, the problem I have is that all of these colored usernames popping would hide the usernames that are not staff/supporter status; it would create two height levels of usernames. I feel like adding shadows to some but not all ranks would just create a headache (at least it would for me looking at it.)

Also that Platinum tier color combined with the shadow is just absolutely horrible haha. It grosses me out.

The only issue with shadows is that they will be very difficult to make look nice across all styles. Dark shadows will look bad on light skins and vice versa:

Spoiler:

We can't really change them per-style either because it brings in the problem of usergroup markup inconsistency. Style formatting is something I'm open to working on though, I'd rather keep colours consistent with how we've had them for a while now. If we change them again I want it to be for a good purpose, such as being consistent with our possible visual brand/logo solidification and improvement.

The only reason I included the shadows was because they were already there.

It's strange I hear criticisms towards that particular suggestion but nothing new is being brought up, nothing else is being suggested - I still believe that something could be done and the only reason I suggested what I did was out of compromise. But damn.

Also big lol @ the changing colours every week argument, reminds me a lot of pets getting married as a reason to ban gay marriage. Isn't that an argumentum absurdum?

I thought this was a thread about bringing back the AA color, which was flawless.

This thread was supposed to be about username colours in general (hence the first sentence in the OP), but it turned into a thread about what's wrong with my suggestion where nothing progressive is happening whatsoever

 

[Omicron]

It's strange I hear criticisms towards that particular suggestion but nothing new is being brought up, nothing else is being suggested - I still believe that something could be done and the only reason I suggested what I did was out of compromise. But damn.

The thing is you are basing your whole arguments under the assumption that the colors need to be changed. They don't. They could, if a majority finds it useful, but there's really no need for it at the moment.

 

[Alexander Nicholi]

The thing is you are basing your whole arguments under the assumption that the colors need to be changed. They don't. They could, if a majority finds it useful, but there's really no need for it at the moment.

This thread isn't supposed to be about me. It's supposed to be about the colours.

Other than me so far there has been unanimous opposition against changing them at all, and I find that far fetched. I can't be the only one. I'd like to hear what others who don't bluntly disagree have to say, so as to brainstorm ideas and come up with more suggestions... without being told to shut up.

By the way, "they don't need to be changed" is well within the definition of an opinion. I have one too.