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Counter that Pokemon! (READ THE FREAKING FIRST POST)

PlatinumDude said:
This is why maxing out HP before a defensive stat is important:
252+ Atk Mold Breaker Mega Gyarados Ice Fang vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Tangrowth: 112-132 (27.7 - 32.6%) -- guaranteed 4HKO

252+ Atk Mold Breaker Mega Gyarados Ice Fang vs. 0 HP / 252+ Def Tangrowth: 112-132 (32.8 - 38.7%) -- 98.8% chance to 3HKO

Bisharp is NOT a counter to Arcanine in any way. It's weak to Close Combat and Flare Blitz, and it won't like switching in to any of those. Here's a definition of a counter:


Intimidate only works if Arcanine itself switches in to battle, unless it's a double-switch.

Creative sets are fine, but only as long as the moves listed are viable enough to deal with opposing threats. Your set isn't that viable because Metal Burst can be predicted and set up on. Knock Off > Night Slash for the item-removing utility.
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Alrighty, first of all, my mistake - I was not taking the part of the OP that says they have to be able to switch in on the previous Pokemon into account. I wrongfully assumed it was a hypothetical 1 on 1 situation where both were thrown out at once, my bad. However, your comparison on the importance of HP vs Def investment sheerly for taking physical hits isn't very convincing since you had one tangtowth with def and hp, while the other only had def. Compare one with HP and Atk taking an ice fang, vs one with Atk and Def if you'd please. (I would do this myself- but I'm at work typing this from a phone lol. So besides a myriad of typoes I'm probably missing, I can't handle a damage calc too well right now.)

That being said, and my mistake being explained, Bisharp is a check to that SPECIFIC arcanine listed above (not a counter, I know); because it cannot setup, and since it has a choice band- if left against that bisharp, being locked into any one of its moves would end in bisharp KO'ing it. But again, I misunderstood the goal and specific rules of this, so once more, sorry man. :p my bad. I think I got it now.


COUNTER- to wash Rotom.

Vileplume
Ability: Effect Spore (doesn't matter here, I know.)
Item: Big Root
Nature:Modest
EV's: 252 Sp Atk, 152 Sp Def, 100 HP
Moves: Giga Drain, Moonlight, sleep powder, sludge bomb

Vileplume can switch in on either of Rotom wash's stabs - regain very fair amounts of HP with giga drain, while dealing substantial damage to Rotom, and it can handle stall tactics with will o wisp and protect with moonlight.
 
Polar Spectrum said:
Alrighty, first of all, my mistake - I was not taking the part of the OP that says they have to be able to switch in on the previous Pokemon into account. I wrongfully assumed it was a hypothetical 1 on 1 situation where both were thrown out at once, my bad. However, your comparison on the importance of HP vs Def investment sheerly for taking physical hits isn't very convincing since you had one tangtowth with def and hp, while the other only had def. Compare one with HP and Atk taking an ice fang, vs one with Atk and Def if you'd please. (I would do this myself- but I'm at work typing this from a phone lol. So besides a myriad of typoes I'm probably missing, I can't handle a damage calc too well right now.)
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The second spread I mentioned is exactly the same as the bolded part of your post (0 HP, 252 Atk, 252 Def). Tangrowth's Attack EVs play no part in how much damage it takes from Ice Fang. If you're interested, here's a calc on Tangrowth without any Defense EVs at all:
252+ Atk Mold Breaker Mega Gyarados Ice Fang vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Tangrowth: 146-174 (36.1 - 43%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

Anyway:

Big Root isn't worth it; Black Sludge provides steady recovery for Poison Pokemon.

Mega Aggron:
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-Stealth Rock
-Heavy Slam
-Ice Punch
-Rock Slide
Nature: Relaxed
EVs: 252 HP/16 Def/240 SDef
Item: Aggronite
Ability: Sturdy

Walls all of Vileplume's offensive moves.
 
Aegislash
ability: stance change
Item: rocky helmet
nature:brave
Evs: 252 attk, 252 def, 4 spdef
moves: Shadow sneak, sacred sword, king shield, swords dance
king shield lowers attk and can easily set up swords dance after to ko especially with rocky
helmet breaking sturdy when hit directly.
 
Lol this guy. Moonlight is fine recovery. The vileplume counters the Rotom wash, doesn't it? :p that's all I'm concerned about. ^^ And while I appreciate the thought behind giving advice on what works best on what sets, I don't even play singles normally. I'm just here to have a bit of fun in the game~ So without further ado;

Countering Aegislash (Ooo...)

Gliscor
Ability: Toxic Heal
Item:Toxic Orb
Nature: Impish
EVs: 252 Atk, 252 Def
Moves:Swords Dance, Earthquake, U turn Substitute

It won't really mind switching into an unboosted Shadow sneak or sacred sword (all the SS attacks) and doesn't fear rocky helmet or kings shield - it can set up a sub or swords dance to outlast and KO aegislash; who lacks recovery.
 
Gardevoir
item: gardevoirite
ability: pixilate
nature: modest
Evs: 252 spattk, 252 speed, 4 spdef
moves: hyper voice, shadow ball, calm mind, psyshock.

can easily ko with hyper voice and passes through substitude so no stalling her nagging.
 
"No stalling her nagging' fukkn lol

Steelix
Ability: Sturdy
Nature: Careful
Item: assault vest
EVs: 252 Atk 152 Sp Def 100 HP
Moves: Iron Tail / Gyro Ball, Stone Edge, Earthquake, Fire Fang

It resists both stabs, won't take much from an unboosted shadow ball, or any of those really with assault vest, and Gardevoir won't survive a heavy slam or iron tail or two flat out.
 
Blastoise
Ability:rain dish/mega launcher
item: Blastoisite
nature: modest
Evs: 252 spattk, 252 def, 4 hp
moves: Water pulse, dragon pulse, dark pulse, aura sphere

Steelix moves aren't enough to damage this tank of destruction as it erodes the fodder with
Its almighty cannons with strength to puncture steel like marshmallow.
 
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DarkIllumination said:
Blastoise
Ability:rain dish/mega launcher
item: Blastoisite
nature: modest
Evs: 252 spattk, 252 def, 4 hp
moves: Water pulse/surf/scald, dragon pulse, dark pulse, aura sphere

Steelix moves aren't enough to damage this tank of destruction as it erodes the fodder with
Its almighty cannons with strength to puncture steel like marshmallow.
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Please don't slash moves in a set. Just pick 4 moves for each set you post.

Anyway:
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-Quagsire w/Leftovers
Nature: Careful
Ability: Water Absorb
EVs: 252 HP, 252 Sp.Defense, 4 Attack
Moves: Earthquake, Scald, Recover, Toxic

Yes, yes, I know people usually run Unaware. It just needs Water Absorb in this case.

All of Mega Blastoise's moves are a 3HKO at best, and Quag can just stall it out with Toxic+Recover.


Also, I've updated the OP with a list of the Pokemon in Ubers, as well as a damage calculator, and one additional rule.
 
Trevenant
Ability: Harvest
Nature: Adamant
Item: Sitrus Berry
EV's: 252 Atk 200 HP 52 Def
Moves: Sunny Day, Horn Leech, Phantom Force, Rock Slide

Trevenant can come in nicely on any attack or a toxic from quagsire, and annihilate with horn leech. Any attempts to stall, which I'm fairly certain quagsire couldn't even attempt anyways, would be met by the ungodly healing of harvesting a sitrus Berry and regaining massive HP from each horn leech. (If it even survived 1)
 
Charizard
ability: solar power/ Drought
Item: Charizardite
nature: mild
Evs: 252 spattk, 252 speed, 4 spdef
moves: flamethrower, solar beam, air slash, dragon pulse

One hit and Trevenant becomes fire wood from flamethrower plus it can't stall anyway and it's to slow to rockslide the charizard Y.
 
DarkIllumination said:
Charizard
ability: solar power/ Drought
Item: Charizardite
nature: mild
Evs: 252 spattk, 252 speed, 4 spdef
moves: flamethrower, solar beam, air slash, dragon pulse

One hit and Trevenant becomes fire wood from flamethrower plus it can't stall anyway and it's to slow to rockslide the charizard Y.
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Unforunately, Mega Zard Y isn't quite a counter to Polar Spectrum's Trevenant because it doesn't want to switch into a Rock Slide:
252 Atk Trevenant Rock Slide vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Mega Charizard Y: 360-424 (120.8 - 142.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Anyway, to counter Mega Zard Y:

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-Heatran w/Leftovers
Nature: Calm
Ability: Flash Fire
EVs: 248 HP, 252 Sp.Defense, 8 Defense
Moves: Lava Plume, Earth Power, Will-o-Wisp, Protect

Since your Mega Zard Y lacks Focus Blast, Heatran takes almost nothing from its attacks, and can KO it with repeated Lava Plumes, since it also lacks Roost.
 
Blaziken
Item:Kings rock
Docile nature
Stats:266 HP,234 ATK,147 DEF,197 Sp. ATK,165 Sp. DEF.
Moves:Blaze kick,Cut,Sky uppercut,Earthquake.
Ability:Flame Body

Btw,this is my actual Blaziken from my Ruby game.
 
I read your rules and remebered that it's switching in.

here:
Gyrados
Item:lumberry
ability: Intimidate
nature: Adamant
Evs: 252 attk, 252 speed, 4 def
moves: waterfall, dragon dance, earthquake, outrage

Gyrados resists lava plume, earth power can't touch it, and the lum berry prevents a burn and earthquake is a one hit ko or two with waterfall.
 
Trevenant @ Sitrus Berry
Trait: Harvest
EVs: 252 HP / 180 Def / 76 Spe
Impish Nature

- Will-o-Wisp
- Horn Leech
- Shadow Claw
- Protect

Waterfall and Earthquake can't 2HKO this thing even at +1, who can in return spam Will-o-Wisp to get rid of its Lum Berry. If Gyarados uses Outrage, the Sitrus Berry can allow it to rejuvenate its health, and then Harvest combined with Protect kicks in allowing it to recover its health multiple times.
 
Dusclops
Ability: pressure
Item: leftovers
nature: Relaxed
Evs:252 hp, 252 def, 4 spdef
moves: will-o-wisp, protect, painsplit, toxic

Dusclops tanks all Rhyperior's moves and can recover with painsplit and leftovers
until toxic or will-o-wisp bring it down.
 
Landorus @ Life Orb
Trait: Sheer Force
EVs: 4 Atk / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Hasty Nature

- Earth Power
- Knock Off
- Psychic
- Hidden Power Ice

Landorus can Knock Off Dusclops's Eviolite and then OHKO physically defensive variants with Earth Power, and it doesn't really mind burn or poison.
 
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-Mega Abomasnow w/Abomasite
Nature: Quiet
Ability: Snow Warning
EVs: 252 HP, 252 Sp.Attack, 4 Attack
Moves: Blizzard, Ice Shard, Giga Drain, Earthquake

Psychic is Lando's best bet, but it only 3HKOs:
252 SpA Life Orb Sheer Force Landorus Psychic vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Mega Abomasnow: 147-173 (38.2 - 45%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

Then it gets destroyed by Hail boosted Blizzard.
 
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Air Balloon Heatran shuts down Mega-Abomasnow with its 4x resistance to Grass and Ice and pseudo-immunity to Ground.

~ Flamethrower
~ Earth Power
~ Taunt
~ Stealth Rock
Item: Air Balloon
Nature: Modest
EVs: 252 SpA, 4 SpD, 252 Spe
 
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