Chit-Chat: Daily Cross Chop

[Alex]

I can't go back to school, it was too much for me to handle. The people there were similarly working against me so I expelled them from my life - unfortunately I'd like to do the same with my mother but can't. What is a youth hostile? How would I approach that? I know where to get a little money if I need it.

Ah, OK, that changes things a little bit. In that case you can definitely apply for minimum wage/manual labour jobs. If you work full time I don't doubt your ability to afford your own basic apartment, or rent a room in an apartment.

Think of youth hostiles as really cheap hotels. I think some might even provide you with a piece of toast or two in the morning. You don't get your own private room though, but you do get your own bed. It varies from hostile to hostile but you sleep amongst strangers (who are usually travelers, and generally are nice) and pay by the night. You'll see a ton of people coming in and out, you might meet somebody one day and never see them again for the rest of your life. You are expected to leave the hostile during the day, I don't think they want you to hang around all day on the computer. You'll have to leave anyway 'cause you'll be living day to day trying to feed yourself.

Youth hostiles are usually only in big cities. If you live in the 'burbs you'll have to hit up the closest metropolis, and stay there.

 

[Oryx]

Hostels aren't really a thing in cities here either though. I just looked up Chicago since I'm here and there are like...2 actual hostels. The rest are just seedy hotels and the average price adds up to my rent for my one-bedroom apartment (if you include my electricity bill it's about 30-50 dollars less than my rent).

Are hostels a thing in Canada too? I know they exist in Europe but thought they just weren't a thing on this side of the ocean.

 

[Alexander Nicholi]

Ah, OK, that changes things a little bit. In that case you can definitely apply for minimum wage/manual labour jobs. If you work full time I don't doubt your ability to afford your own basic apartment, or rent a room in an apartment.

Think of youth hostiles as really cheap hotels. I think some might even provide you with a piece of toast or two in the morning. You don't get your own private room though, but you do get your own bed. It varies from hostile to hostile but you sleep amongst strangers (who are usually travelers, and generally are nice) and pay by the night. You'll see a ton of people coming in and out, you might meet somebody one day and never see them again for the rest of your life. You are expected to leave the hostile during the day, I don't think they want you to hang around all day on the computer. You'll have to leave anyway 'cause you'll be living day to day trying to feed yourself.

Youth hostiles are usually only in big cities. If you live in the 'burbs you'll have to hit up the closest metropolis, and stay there.

Uh, okay... Thank you. I'm going to have to take some time to think about this.

 

[Alex]

Hostels aren't really a thing in cities here either though. I just looked up Chicago since I'm here and there are like...2 actual hostels. The rest are just seedy hotels and the average price adds up to my rent for my one-bedroom apartment (if you include my electricity bill it's about 30-50 dollars less than my rent).

Are hostels a thing in Canada too? I know they exist in Europe but thought they just weren't a thing on this side of the ocean.

They totally exist here. One of my old coworkers at the coffee shop flew over here from Japan in hopes of improving his English, and currently lives out of a hostel while working. Pretty cool that he's willing to do that IMO, 'cause a ton of the money he's making at the shop is going straight to his pocket as opposed to living in a big city like Toronto.

 

[Kura]

I say suck it up with your mother situation and just get through school. Honestly may be blunt, and it may be tough for you to do that, but it'll benefit you in the long run. Focus on schooling and don't waste precious time. Find a part time job and start saving for a dorm for Uni or College. Focus on your grades so scholarships will help you move out. Might take a year or two but if you're dedicated, time will fly by and you'll be in a much better position than if you putsy around in hostels.

And honestly, I don't know how your co-worker did that because Canada has visa and immigration laws that are pretty strict, and might had only a certain time limit to do that work before being obligated to go back to his own country as a "cooling period" for a couple years before being able to do that again. Many countries have laws like that. The UK and the US are some of those places that that is in place for immigrants. It is very difficult to move countries or even just moving out on your own in general so it should never be taken lightly. At a hostel, you get a bed at night and a locker. That's it. You're always sharing with someone else for most cases.

Do your research and find what might be best for you; but I stand by what I first said in this post.

 

[Alexander Nicholi]

I say suck it up with your mother situation and just get through school. Honestly may be blunt, and it may be tough for you to do that, but it'll benefit you in the long run. Focus on schooling and don't waste precious time. Find a part time job and start saving for a dorm for Uni or College. Focus on your grades so scholarships will help you move out. Might take a year or two but if you're dedicated, time will fly by and you'll be in a much better position than if you putsy around in hostels.

I'm going to bide my time with her, and I'm going to have those who care about me help me from slipping back into lying to myself about her. A modest therapy routine quickly killed abuse from my first parent and I'm hoping honesty and assertiveness with a therapist will help me better bide for this year and a half. Thanks Kura :o


You know, I was always curious about immigration laws outside of the United States. A few years ago I really wanted to travel to Singapore because of its beauty as a city, and I just might once I'm stable enough financially. It's a real sight to see, from pictures and such.

 

[Sir Codin]

Do not go to college immediately after finishing high school. I did it and I regret it, because you may think you know what you want to do now, but trust me, you don't.

Get a job for a while, find your calling, make sure that it is ABSOLUTELY your calling, THEN go to college.

Even then, you might still end up changing your major anyway.

 

[Alexander Nicholi]

Do not go to college immediately after finishing high school. I did it and I regret it, because you may think you know what you want to do now, but trust me, you don't.

Get a job for a while, find your calling, make sure that it is ABSOLUTELY your calling, THEN go to college.

Even then, you might still end up changing your major anyway.

What if I know exactly what I want to do, have for years, and know full and well it's both profitable and empassionable? I think even if I end up not liking IT the money's still killer, though computers (software in particular) has been a passion of mine since I can remember. I'm planning on sticking with an Associate's until I have a career going, though. Four-year is a waste in this market to be honest.

The business plans I rolled out the other day wouldn't require any education though, to be perfectly honest. At least not conventional education - I have the applicable knowledge to be an IT pro as my own boss and can more than easily obtain certifications from Microsoft and CompTIA and whatnot. I want a career though, I'm not going to put all of my eggs in one basket. :O

 

[Oryx]

Counterpoint to Carchar: I started college with a goal, graduated with that goal, and the degree was immensely helpful. I had no need to find myself with random low-skill jobs before college.

 

[TRIFORCE89]

Do not go to college immediately after finishing high school. I did it and I regret it, because you may think you know what you want to do now, but trust me, you don't.

Get a job for a while, find your calling, make sure that it is ABSOLUTELY your calling, THEN go to college.

Even then, you might still end up changing your major anyway.

What kind of calling can you find right out of high school without any kind of higher education?

Counterpoint to Carchar: I started college with a goal, graduated with that goal, and the degree was immensely helpful. I had no need to find myself with random low-skill jobs before college.

Yeah, this is what I did. I started working, related to my industry, a couple years into university. I think that helps a lot more in the long run than a low-level job. Those are good for summer cash if you need it

 

[Oryx]

To be fair there are some reasons why jobs with no education would be good. My family friend is a maintenance man. He doesn't make that much money, enough to support his family with 5 kids with a little help, but he's "on call" a lot of the time. He can spend time with his family, and when he's not on call, he can walk away from work without worrying "is that project finished? Do I need to stay late tomorrow to finish something else?"

Plus, not everyone has a passion that translates into a job. Plus, someone has to do those jobs. I wouldn't say they're only good for summer cash or that you should never do them, but that if you want a job that requires college education, not going to college right out of high school just means you're putting your future off and the jobs you will get won't be even related to your field.

 

[TRIFORCE89]

To be fair there are some reasons why jobs with no education would be good. My family friend is a maintenance man. He doesn't make that much money, enough to support his family with 5 kids with a little help, but he's "on call" a lot of the time. He can spend time with his family, and when he's not on call, he can walk away from work without worrying "is that project finished? Do I need to stay late tomorrow to finish something else?"

Plus, not everyone has a passion that translates into a job. Plus, someone has to do those jobs. I wouldn't say they're only good for summer cash or that you should never do them, but that if you want a job that requires college education, not going to college right out of high school just means you're putting your future off and the jobs you will get won't be even related to your field.

Maintenance and skills trades and such, I don't have any issue there. There's still a training or apprenticeship aspect to that though no?

If you can do something like that out of high school, then awesome. That's some constant steady work right there.

With the "summer cash", I mean if you have the opportunity to go to high education, which the poster seemed to indicate was the case, that it would be a disservice to yourself to take on a job at Wal-Mart or McDonald's until you find your way. You're unlikely to find a stable career there.

 

[Alexander Nicholi]

Oryx, usually those going to college are doing so because they want a better job than what manual labour would be. I'd imagine those who aren't college-bound or interested in college or can't pull it off would be the ones working at Wendy's after hours mopping floors, to be frank.


I think the best case scenario as far as IT goes for me is to let the hardware side of things be my career, and leave software to being a true personal passion. Working with motherboards, hard drives, doing easy things people can't do can be where my money comes from (it's where it's at), and I can leave my creative side to programming, as creative careers are a hellish concept. I don't want to try that.

 

[Sir Codin]

Anybody here find Peanuts as unfunny as I do?

 

[Alexander Nicholi]

Anybody here find Peanuts as unfunny as I do?

The only aspect of Peanuts I liked was the piano theme in the animated cartoon. That thing was boss.

Other than that, it's a relic of the past like all newspapers are to me... personally. There's still plenty of people reading the Independent around here and the specialty newspaper the Coffee News, and as a businessman I'd be more than happy to capitalize on that.

 

[moon]

Ideally, I should have chosen a career that didn't require me to work around the clock. A shop job, perhaps. I would then have plenty of time to work on my passion, writing. Or discover new passions, in music or art perhaps. Perhaps even figure out ways to make some extra money from that.

But I wanted to go to college. For the student life. I really wanted it, and now that I am almost done with my uni years, I don't regret it. I've met so many people and learned so much about life. Been sooo drunk.

 

[Shining Raichu]

Ideally, I should have chosen a career that didn't require me to work around the clock. A shop job, perhaps. I would then have plenty of time to work on my passion, writing. Or discover new passions, in music or art perhaps. Perhaps even figure out ways to make some extra money from that.

But I wanted to go to college. For the student life. I really wanted it, and now that I am almost done with my uni years, I don't regret it. I've met so many people and learned so much about life. Been sooo drunk.

Speaking as a person in a shop job, while a standard 38 hour full time week will leave you with... shall we say adequate time to pursue such a passion, it would not leave you with the energy to drive it.

 

[Oryx]

I do think people underestimate how draining a full-time job is. Even though my job is only mentally draining, not physically, even just being "on" for 8 hours a day is exhausting. For the first like month I came home dead to the world every day until I adjusted.

 

[moon]

I do think people underestimate how draining a full-time job is. Even though my job is only mentally draining, not physically, even just being "on" for 8 hours a day is exhausting. For the first like month I came home dead to the world every day until I adjusted.

I totally understand. In the summer I worked 8 hours in another city. When I finally got home in the weekdays, I had time and energy to eat and sleep.

 

[Alexander Nicholi]

I think it's important to either have a job that isn't draining, or that pays enough to justify that exhaustion. I'm the type to be thoroughly content with an exhausting job if the money is justified to me.

You know, like IT. I could be a tech for a health clinic, a public school, whatever as long as it isn't cheap. I could also run a shop and always be on the phone with business, the money in that is killer given my initial overhead. It's nearly pure profit bar my living expenses.

I've also had a standing interest in business - particularly lower/middle management. I can be in charge of a good few people and I don't have to answer to God for anything I can't handle. :)