HG/SS : The competitive discussion.

[Dark Azelf]

As you know HG/SS, is coming out soon. These are straight from the rom.

Originally Posted by Fat Wichu View Post
Level-up move changes:
Lugia
Weather Ball, Dragon Rush

Ho-oh
Weather Ball, Brave Bird

Kyogre
Muddy Water, Aqua Ring

Groudon
Lava Plume, Hammer Arm

Rayquaza
Hyper Voice, Air Slash

Hippopotas
Dig

Hippowdon
Dig

Dialga
Power Gem, Metal Burst

Palkia
Power Gem, Hydro Pump

Giratina
Shadow Sneak, Destiny Bond

Nothing much, other than the 'special' Dragon trio moves, Brave Bird Ho-oh, and a few extra special attacks for Rayquaza.

Originally Posted by Fat Wichu View Post
Egg move additions:
[Bulbasaur]
Power Whip, Sludge

[Squirtle]
Water Spout

[Spearow]
FeatherDance

[Ekans]
Switcheroo

[Sandshrew]
Mud Shot

[Nidoran♀]
Skull Bash, Amnesia, Confusion, Sucker Punch, Head Smash

[Vulpix]
Power Swap

[Oddish]
Teeter Dance

[Paras]
Agility

[Diglett]
Reversal

[Meowth]
Tail Whip

[Psyduck]
Encore

[Mankey]
Encore

[Growlithe]
Morning Sun

[Poliwag]
Encore

[Machop]
Power Trick

[Bellsprout]
Weather Ball

[Tentacool]
Muddy Water

[Geodude]
Curse

[Ponyta]
Morning Sun

[Farfetch'd]
Leaf Blade

[Seel]
Stockpile, Swallow, Spit Up

[Shellder]
Rock Blast

[Gastly]
Disable

[Drowzee]
Guard Swap

[Krabby]
Agility

[Exeggcute]
Power Swap

[Cubone]
Detect

[Lickitung]
Muddy Water

[Rhyhorn]
Skull Bash

[Chansey]
Mud Bomb

[Tangela]
Power Swap

[Horsea]
Razor Wind, Muddy Water

[Goldeen]
Body Slam

[Mr. Mime]
Nasty Plot

[Eevee]
Detect

[Omanyte]
Muddy Water

[Dratini]
ExtremeSpeed

[Cyndaquil]
Extrasensory

[Totodile]
Aqua Jet

[Pichu]
Flail

[Cleffa]
Aromatherapy

[Togepi]
Extrasensory

[Wooper]
Recover

[Murkrow]
Brave Bird

[Misdreavus]
Nasty Plot

[Girafarig]
Razor Wind

[Pineco]
Power Trick

[Dunsparce]
Agility

[Gligar]
Power Trick

[Qwilfish]
Aqua Jet

[Sneasel]
Assist

[Teddiursa]
Belly Drum

[Corsola]
Curse

[Remoraid]
Water Spout

[Delibird]
Fake Out

[Skarmory]
Guard Swap

[Houndour]
Feint

[Phanpy]
Head Smash

[Stantler]
Megahorn

[Smoochum]
Nasty Plot

[Elekid]
Feint

[Magby]
Belly Drum

[Treecko]
Razor Wind

[Torchic]
FeatherDance

[Mudkip]
Yawn, Sludge

[Lotad]
Counter

[Seedot]
Power Swap

[Ralts]
Encore

[Whismur]
Hammer Arm

[Makuhita]
Feint

[Nosepass]
Head Smash

[Skitty]
Mud Bomb

[Sableye]
Feint

[Mawile]
Guard Swap

[Aron]
Head Smash

[Electrike]
Switcheroo

[Plusle]
Discharge

[Minun]
Discharge

[Wailmer]
Aqua Ring

[Numel]
Stockpile, Swallow, Spit Up

[Torkoal]
Skull Bash

[Trapinch]
Mud Shot

[Cacnea]
Nasty Plot

[Swablu]
Power Swap

[Zangoose]
Disable

[Seviper]
Switcheroo

[Barboach]
Dragon Dance

[Corphish]
Dragon Dance

[Lileep]
Curse

[Anorith]
Curse

[Kecleon]
Recover

[Tropius]
Dragon Dance

[Absol]
Megahorn

[Snorunt]
Weather Ball

[Spheal]
Aqua Ring

[Clamperl]
Muddy Water

[Relicanth]
Muddy Water

[Luvdisc]
Aqua Jet

[Turtwig]
Stockpile, Swallow, Spit Up

[Chimchar]
Assist

[Piplup]
FeatherDance

[Shinx]
Night Slash

[Cranidos]
Curse

[Shieldon]
Counter

[Cherubi]
Weather Ball

[Shellos]
Trump Card, Sludge

[Drifloon]
Weather Ball

[Buneary]
Flail

[Glameow]
Flail

[Stunky]
Haze

[Mime Jr.]
Nasty Plot

[Happiny]
Mud Bomb

[Gible]
Mud Shot

[Munchlax]
Counter

[Riolu]
Follow Me

[Hippopotas]
Revenge

[Croagunk]
Counter

[Snover]
Skull Bash

Credit to the guys at smogon for these. ^^

Enjoy. =]

Me is using DD Crawdaunt. ^__~

AND no longer is Quagsire just wet, moist and slippy. He is wet, moist and slippy and gets RECOVER !

Some of them suck, but some are awesome.

Discuss.

EDIT:

Move tutors

Super fang
Rattata, Raticate, Sandshrew, Sandslash, Nidoran♀, Nidorina, Nidoqueen, Nidoran♂, Nidorino, Nidoking, Zubat, Golbat, Mew, Sentret, Furret, Crobat, Snubbull, Granbull, Houndour, Houndoom, Poochyena, Mightyena, Zigzagoon, Linoone, Mawile, Carvanha, Sharpedo, Glalie, Spheal, Sealeo, Walrein, Huntail, Bidoof, Bibarel, Pachirisu, Glameow, Purugly, Croagunk, Toxicroak

Pain Split
Vulpix, Ninetales, Jigglypuff, Wigglytuff, Grimer, Muk, Gastly, Haunter, Gengar, Koffing, Weezing, Tangela, Staryu, Starmie, Porygon, Mew, Igglybuff, Natu, Xatu, Misdreavus, Pineco, Forretress, Dunsparce, Qwilfish, Slugma, Magcargo, Porygon2, Ralts, Kirlia, Gardevoir, Nosepass, Sableye, Mawile, Meditite, Medicham, Gulpin, Swalot, Lunatone, Solrock, Lileep, Cradily, Shuppet, Banette, Duskull, Dusclops, Rampardos, Shellos, Gastrodon, Drifloon, Drifblim, Mismagius, Spiritomb, Tangrowth, Porygon-Z, Gallade, Probopass, Dusknoir, Froslass, Rotom, Giratina

String Shot
Bulbasaur, Ivysaur, Venusaur, Caterpie, Metapod, Butterfree, Weedle, Kakuna, Beedrill, Paras, Parasect, Venonat, Venomoth, Pinsir, Mew, Ledyba, Ledian, Spinarak, Ariados, Yanma, Pineco, Forretress, Shuckle, Remoraid, Octillery, Mantine, Wurmple, Silcoon, Beautifly, Cascoon, Dustox, Surskit, Masquerain, Nincada, Ninjask, Shedinja, Volbeat, Illumise, Lileep, Cradily, Anorith, Armaldo, Kricketot, Kricketune, Burmy, Wormadam, Mothim, Combee, Vespiquen, Shellos, Gastrodon, Yanmega, Wormadam-G, Wormadam-S

Tail Wind
Charizard, Butterfree, Beedrill, Pidgey, Pidgeotto, Pidgeot, Spearow, Fearow, Zubat, Golbat, Venomoth, Scyther, Aerodactyl, Articuno, Zapdos, Moltres, Dragonite, Mew, Hoothoot, Noctowl, Ledyba, Ledian, Crobat, Togetic, Natu, Xatu, Yanma, Murkrow, Gligar, Scizor, Mantine, Skarmory, Suicune, Lugia, Ho-oh, Beautifly, Dustox, Shiftry, Taillow, Swellow, Wingull, Pelipper, Masquerain, Volbeat, Illumise, Vibrava, Flygon, Swablu, Altaria, Castform, Tropius, Salamence, Latias, Latios, Rayquaza, Starly, Staravia, Staraptor, Mothim, Combee, Vespiquen, Drifloon, Drifblim, Honchkrow, Chatot, Finneon, Lumineon, Togekiss, Yanmega, Gliscor, Arceus, Giratina-O, Shaymin-S

Gravity
Clefairy, Clefable, Jigglypuff, Wigglytuff, Abra, Kadabra, Alakazam, Magnemite, Magneton, Exeggcute, Exeggutor, Chansey, Staryu, Starmie, Porygon, Mewtwo, Mew, Cleffa, Igglybuff, Girafarig, Pineco, Forretress, Porygon2, Stantler, Blissey, Nosepass, Sableye, Meditite, Medicham, Lunatone, Solrock, Baltoy, Claydol, Duskull, Dusclops, Chimecho, Metang, Metagross, Regirock, Regice, Registeel, Jirachi, Deoxys, Chingling, Bronzor, Bronzong, Happiny, Magnezone, Porygon-Z, Probopass, Dusknoir, Dialga, Palkia, Regigigas, Giratina, Cresselia, Arceus, Deoxys-A, Deoxys-D, Deoxys-S, Giratina-O

Worry Seed
Bulbasaur, Ivysaur, Venusaur, Oddish, Gloom, Vileplume, Paras, Parasect, Psyduck, Golduck, Bellsprout, Weepinbell, Victreebel, Exeggcute, Exeggutor, Tangela, Mew, Chikorita, Bayleef, Meganium, Bellossom, Hoppip, Skiploom, Jumpluff, Sunkern, Sunflora, Celebi, Treecko, Grovyle, Sceptile, Seedot, Nuzleaf, Shiftry, Shroomish, Breloom, Roselia, Cacnea, Cacturne, Lileep, Cradily, Tropius, Turtwig, Grotle, Torterra, Budew, Roserade, Wormadam, Cherubi, Cherrim, Carnivine, Snover, Abomasnow, Tangrowth, Leafeon, Shaymin, Shaymin-S

Role Play
Clefairy, Clefable, Jigglypuff, Wigglytuff, Abra, Kadabra, Alakazam, Tentacool, Tentacruel, Slowpoke, Slowbro, Magnemite, Magneton, Drowzee, Hypno, Voltorb, Electrode, Staryu, Starmie, Mr. Mime, Jynx, Porygon, Mewtwo, Mew, Chikorita, Bayleef, Meganium, Hoothoot, Noctowl, Cleffa, Igglybuff, Togepi, Togetic, Natu, Xatu, Espeon, Slowking, Misdreavus, Girafarig, Dunsparce, Corsola, Porygon2, Smoochum, Celebi, Ralts, Kirlia, Gardevoir, Nosepass, Sableye, Meditite, Medicham, Spoink, Grumpig, Lunatone, Solrock, Baltoy, Claydol, Milotic, Kecleon, Shuppet, Banette, Chimecho, Absol, Latias, Latios, Jirachi, Deoxys, Bastiodon, Drifloon, Drifblim, Buneary, Lopunny, Mismagius, Chingling, Mime Jr., Magnezone, Togekiss, Porygon-Z, Gallade, Probopass, Uxie, Mesprit, Azelf, Cresselia, Arceus, Deoxys-A, Deoxys-D, Deoxys-S, Giratina-O

Magic Coat
Clefairy, Clefable, Vulpix, Ninetales, Jigglypuff, Wigglytuff, Psyduck, Golduck, Mankey, Primeape, Abra, Kadabra, Alakazam, Machop, Machoke, Machamp, Gengar, Drowzee, Hypno, Hitmonlee, Hitmonchan, Mr. Mime, Jynx, Tauros, Mewtwo, Mew, Cleffa, Igglybuff, Sudowoodo, Aipom, Houndour, Houndoom, Stantler, Tyrogue, Hitmontop, Smoochum, Blaziken, Makuhita, Hariyama, Sableye, Meditite, Medicham, Spoink, Grumpig, Spinda, Cacnea, Cacturne, Kecleon, Shuppet, Banette, Absol, Latias, Deoxys, Chimchar, Monferno, Infernape, Ambipom, Bonsly, Mime Jr., Chatot, Riolu, Lucario, Croagunk, Toxicroak, Snover, Abomasnow, Uxie, Mesprit, Azelf, Deoxys-A, Deoxys-D, Deoxys-S

Heall Bell
Clefairy, Clefable, Jigglypuff, Wigglytuff, Chansey, Jynx, Lapras, Eevee, Vaporeon, Jolteon, Flareon, Mew, Chinchou, Lanturn, Igglybuff, Togepi, Togetic, Mareep, Flaaffy, Ampharos, Espeon, Umbreon, Misdreavus, Snubbull, Granbull, Smoochum, Miltank, Blissey, Celebi, Gardevoir, Skitty, Delcatty, Spoink, Grumpig, Swablu, Altaria, Chimecho, Buneary, Lopunny, Mismagius, Chingling, Happiny, Togekiss, Leafeon, Glaceon, Uxie, Phione, Manaphy

Low kick
Golduck, Mankey, Primeape, Machop, Machoke, Machamp, Drowzee, Hypno, Exeggutor, Cubone, Marowak, Hitmonlee, Hitmonchan, Kangaskhan, Electabuzz, Magmar, Kabutops, Mewtwo, Mew, Typhlosion, Totodile, Croconaw, Feraligatr, Sudowoodo, Aipom, Snubbull, Granbull, Heracross, Sneasel, Ursaring, Tyrogue, Hitmontop, Elekid, Tyranitar, Treecko, Grovyle, Sceptile, Combusken, Blaziken, Mudkip, Marshtomp, Swampert, Nuzleaf, Shiftry, Vigoroth, Slaking, Loudred, Exploud, Makuhita, Hariyama, Sableye, Aggron, Meditite, Medicham, Spinda, Cacnea, Cacturne, Zangoose, Armaldo, Kecleon, Deoxys, Chimchar, Monferno, Infernape, Floatzel, Ambipom, Buneary, Lopunny, Bonsly, Riolu, Lucario, Croagunk, Toxicroak, Weavile, Electivire, Magmortar, Gallade, Deoxys-A, Deoxys-D, Deoxys-S

Sky Attack
Pidgeot, Fearow, Dodrio, Aerodactyl, Articuno, Zapdos, Moltres, Mew, Noctowl, Crobat, Xatu, Delibird, Skarmory, Lugia, Ho-oh, Swellow, Pelipper, Altaria, Staraptor, Honchkrow, Chatot, Togekiss, Gliscor

Block
Venusaur, Geodude, Graveler, Golem, Slowpoke, Slowbro, Muk, Onix, Rhydon, Lapras, Snorlax, Mew, Sudowoodo, Slowking, Forretress, Steelix, Donphan, Miltank, Blissey, Tyranitar, Slaking, Nosepass, Aggron, Swalot, Wailord, Cradily, Armaldo, Snorunt, Glalie, Walrein, Metagross, Regirock, Regice, Registeel, Kyogre, Groudon, Torterra, Bastiodon, Gastrodon, Bronzong, Bonsly, Abomasnow, Lickilicky, Rhyperior, Tangrowth, Mamoswine, Probopass, Froslass, Regigigas

Bug Bite
Caterpie, Metapod, Butterfree, Weedle, Kakuna, Beedrill, Paras, Parasect, Venonat, Venomoth, Scyther, Mew, Ledyba, Ledian, Spinarak, Ariados, Yanma, Pineco, Forretress, Scizor, Shuckle, Heracross, Wurmple, Silcoon, Beautifly, Cascoon, Dustox, Surskit, Masquerain, Nincada, Ninjask, Shedinja, Volbeat, Illumise, Trapinch, Vibrava, Flygon, Kricketot, Kricketune, Burmy, Wormadam, Mothim, Combee, Vespiquen, Skorupi, Drapion, Carnivine, Yanmega, Heatran, Wormadam-G, Wormadam-S

Headbutt
Bulbasaur, Ivysaur, Venusaur, Charmander, Charmeleon, Charizard, Squirtle, Wartortle, Blastoise, Rattata, Raticate, Ekans, Arbok, Pikachu, Raichu, Sandshrew, Sandslash, Nidoran♀, Nidorina, Nidoqueen, Nidoran♂, Nidorino, Nidoking, Clefairy, Clefable, Vulpix, Ninetales, Jigglypuff, Wigglytuff, Meowth, Persian, Psyduck, Golduck, Mankey, Primeape, Growlithe, Arcanine, Poliwag, Poliwhirl, Poliwrath, Abra, Kadabra, Alakazam, Machop, Machoke, Machamp, Geodude, Graveler, Golem, Ponyta, Rapidash, Slowpoke, Slowbro, Farfetch'd, Seel, Dewgong, Gengar, Onix, Drowzee, Hypno, Voltorb, Electrode, Exeggutor, Cubone, Marowak, Hitmonlee, Hitmonchan, Lickitung, Rhyhorn, Rhydon, Chansey, Tangela, Kangaskhan, Horsea, Seadra, Mr. Mime, Scyther, Jynx, Electabuzz, Magmar, Pinsir, Tauros, Gyarados, Lapras, Eevee, Vaporeon, Jolteon, Flareon, Omanyte, Omastar, Kabutops, Aerodactyl, Snorlax, Dratini, Dragonair, Dragonite, Mewtwo, Mew, Chikorita, Bayleef, Meganium, Cyndaquil, Quilava, Typhlosion, Totodile, Croconaw, Feraligatr, Sentret, Furret, Ledyba, Ledian, Pichu, Cleffa, Igglybuff, Togepi, Togetic, Mareep, Flaaffy, Ampharos, Marill, Azumarill, Sudowoodo, Politoed, Hoppip, Skiploom, Jumpluff, Aipom, Yanma, Wooper, Quagsire, Espeon, Umbreon, Slowking, Misdreavus, Girafarig, Pineco, Forretress, Dunsparce, Gligar, Steelix, Snubbull, Granbull, Qwilfish, Scizor, Shuckle, Heracross, Sneasel, Teddiursa, Ursaring, Swinub, Piloswine, Corsola, Delibird, Mantine, Houndour, Houndoom, Kingdra, Phanpy, Donphan, Stantler, Tyrogue, Hitmontop, Elekid, Magby, Miltank, Blissey, Raikou, Entei, Suicune, Larvitar, Pupitar, Tyranitar, Lugia, Treecko, Grovyle, Sceptile, Torchic, Combusken, Blaziken, Mudkip, Marshtomp, Swampert, Poochyena, Mightyena, Zigzagoon, Linoone, Lotad, Lombre, Ludicolo, Seedot, Nuzleaf, Shiftry, Ralts, Kirlia, Gardevoir, Shroomish, Breloom, Slakoth, Vigoroth, Slaking, Whismur, Loudred, Exploud, Makuhita, Hariyama, Azurill, Nosepass, Skitty, Delcatty, Sableye, Mawile, Aron, Lairon, Aggron, Meditite, Medicham, Electrike, Manectric, Plusle, Minun, Gulpin, Swalot, Wailmer, Wailord, Numel, Camerupt, Torkoal, Spoink, Grumpig, Spinda, Trapinch, Vibrava, Flygon, Cacnea, Cacturne, Zangoose, Seviper, Barboach, Whiscash, Baltoy, Claydol, Cradily, Anorith, Armaldo, Kecleon, Shuppet, Banette, Duskull, Dusclops, Tropius, Absol, Snorunt, Glalie, Spheal, Sealeo, Walrein, Relicanth, Bagon, Shelgon, Salamence, Beldum, Metang, Metagross, Regirock, Regice, Registeel, Kyogre, Groudon, Rayquaza, Jirachi, Deoxys, Turtwig, Grotle, Torterra, Chimchar, Monferno, Infernape, Piplup, Prinplup, Empoleon, Bidoof, Bibarel, Shinx, Luxio, Luxray, Cranidos, Rampardos, Shieldon, Bastiodon, Pachirisu, Buizel, Floatzel, Shellos, Gastrodon, Ambipom, Buneary, Lopunny, Mismagius, Glameow, Purugly, Stunky, Skuntank, Bonsly, Mime Jr., Happiny, Gible, Gabite, Garchomp, Munchlax, Riolu, Lucario, Hippopotas, Hippowdon, Skorupi, Drapion, Croagunk, Toxicroak, Mantyke, Snover, Abomasnow, Weavile, Lickilicky, Rhyperior, Tangrowth, Electivire, Magmortar, Togekiss, Yanmega, Leafeon, Glaceon, Gliscor, Mamoswine, Gallade, Probopass, Dusknoir, Froslass, Uxie, Mesprit, Azelf, Dialga, Palkia, Heatran, Regigigas, Giratina, Darkrai, Shaymin, Arceus, Deoxys-A, Deoxys-D, Deoxys-S, Giratina-O, Shaymin-S

 

[Jake♫]

Honestly, most of these aren't really anything special. But there are a few I can point out that might shake things up a little.

Totodile+Aqua Jet: It might give more leverage over to the Swords Dance end of it with priority STAB now, coming off a high attack and a +2 boost. Plus, god knows what would happen with Torrent. Maybe a CB Set similar to Azumarill could become potent. Plus, the only thing that the DD set had was the speed boost, so the priority helps both ends out.

Absol+Mega Horn: God, give something that's already strong enough a little more coverage with a 120 BP move. Sure, low PP and accuracy stagger it, but still, it helps a little xD

Cleffa+Aromatherapy: Superior UU Chansey activate. Honestly, that might just drop the usage of Chansey a crapload lol. I guess the only downside here is that it negates a little usefulness out of TrickOrb sets, but those aren't all that popular anyways.

Dratini+Extremespeed: Hey, Dragonite gets something over Salamence, a little priority abuse here! Maybe this might make the inferior dragon step up a little eh?

Jynx and Misdreavus+Nasty Plot: Hmm, looks sort of like the decision with DD and SD with Feraligatr. I mean, it's either a faster boost or the SpD boost too. Mismagius already has a higher SpD, so I guess Sub+NP sets could work, but Jynx, ehh...either way still helps.

Nidoran F+Head Smash+Sucker Punch: A little leverage for physical Nidoqueen sets. Some nice added coverage is nice, and the priority from Sucker Punch is cool.

I mean honestly, anything that's "major" affects UU more than OU. Still though, this should be interesting.

(PS: I'm too lazy to go in depth xD)

 

[wolf]

ARCANINE RECIEVED MORNING SUN. 8DD Could use that on the bulky set. :D

CB Dragonite might be some use with ExtremeSpeed.

Absol with Megahorn is interesting...

Crawdaunt has DD now. <3

I'm in the mood to use Quagsire now. X3

I'll theorymon later.

Edit: Head Smash + Aggron with Rock Head would be awesome in NU.

 

[Sebastien Loeb]

Extremespeed Dragonite is a good thing, in UU Jynx and Misdreavus Nasty Plotter they can become very strong.

 

[Salvation]

First of all, something actually notable....

Poliwag + Encore = ENCOREWRATH, yes Im actually going to see how this might turn out @_@

Cleffa + Aromatherapy = The Superior Liability Bliss in UU !! ^^

Mudkip + Yawn = We might actually see Swampert do some phazing on stall teams now :x

Cacnea + Nasty Plot = We might see the rise of NP Cacturne...I can see it in OU already Oo

Hippotas + Revenge = Something else besides SuperPower amirite ?

Anyways, I was just scanning through it for anything I thought was significant. Personally, I'm excited for all of the above but Encore Poliwrath...that's gonna be great ^^

 

[BeachBoy]

YAWN SWAMPERT, YES.

All I can say is that I already have a new yawn lead in the Battle Frontier to try out. <3

 

[Dark Azelf]

Dragonite@Choice Band
252 ATT / 252 SPEED / 6 DEF
Adamant Nature
- Outrage
- Aqua Tail / Superpower
- Fire Punch
- Extremespeed

Is cute imo.

It can deal ~ 60% to both Mence and Gyarados with ES and Latias. Does like ~75% to Ape and Starmie. I mean its not the best but its still cool.

Heck, anti lead nite anyone lol?

Switcheroo on Manectric also seems very interesting, especially on the choice sets.


Encore being spammed is great, its one of the best moves in the game imo and helps with stall, especially last poke sweeps.

Crawdaunt@Life Orb
252 ATT / 252 speed / 6 def
Jolly Nature
Trait : Hyper Cutter
- Dragon Dance
- Crabhammer
- Crunch
- Aerial Ace / Rock Slide

I dont think anything resists those whe used together. AA hits toxicroak and poli. Though rock slide is better in ou for mence and dos.

Kingler@Life Orb
252 ATT / 252 SPEED / 6 HP
Adamant Nature
Trait : Hyper Cutter
- Crabhammer
- Return
- SuperPower / X-scissor
- Agility

Mismagius@Life Orb / Leftovers
252 SP.ATT / 252 SPEED/ 6HP
Timid Nature
- Nasty Plot
- Shadow Ball
- Hidden Power Fighting
- Thunderbolt / Substitute

Kechleon@Leftovers
252 HP / 36 ATT / 220 S.DEF
Calm nature
- Recover
- Body Slam
- Stealth Rock / Toxic
- Fire Punch / Toxic

Quagsire@Leftovers
252 HP / 252 DEF / 6 ATT
Impish Nature
Trait : Water Absorb
- Recover
- Encore / Toxic
- Ice Punch / Toxic
- Earthquake

Parasect@Life Orb
252 Att / 252 speed / 6 hp
Jolly Nature
Trait : Dry Skin
- Agility
- Spore / Seed Bomb
- X-Scissor
- Seed Bomb / Brick Break

Venusaur@Life Orb
252 ATT / 252 SPEED / 6 HP
Adamant Nature
- Sleep Powder
- Power Whip
- Swords Dance
- Return / Earthquake

Feraligatr@Life Orb
252 ATT / 252 SPEED / 6 HP
Adamant Nature
- Swords Dance
- Aqua Jet
- Waterfall
- Return

Cacturne@Life Orb / Salac Berry <3333
252 sp.att / 252 speed / 6 def
Modest / Timid Nature
- Nasty Plot
- Energy Ball / Focus Blast
- Dark Pulse
- Focus Blast / Substitute

Jynx@life orb
252 sp.att / 252 speed / 6 def
Timid Nature
- Nasty Plot
- Lovely Kiss
- Ice Beam
- Psychic / Shadow Ball / Focus Blast

Sorry i got bored. XDD


Fun stuff.

 

[Chaostorm]

Wow , Dragonite got something that Salamence dont , ExtremeSpeed

Bulky Arcanine with Morning Sun owns

Feraligatr , known as a UU Gyara , got something that Gyara dont , Aqua Jet with SD succesfully Outclasses Swords Dance Priority Empoleon thanks to the Aligator's nice attack

Honchkrow got Brave Bird ! ScarfKrow will really have a good use with it as Honchkrow has an Emphasized base 100 HP .

Kingler is a true king now ! Agility and sweep with its damn crazy 394 Attack

Rayquaza can flinch with Air Slash , Giratina-O finally got a STAB Priority to hurt Deoxys-A who thinks it will lol at it with Specs Ice Beam , Palkia got Hydro Pump that is so great to put it over surf

I got totally shocked that Lucario got Follow Me , which is totally bad ( you owned me Wolflare lol )

 

[Jimmyray]

Not mentioned above @ Night Slash Shinx, Extrasensory Cyndaquil & Leaf Blade Farfetch'd!
Great additions! Typhlosion now has a new decent move to make use of it's SpAtk, Luxray could be a decent physcial sweeper and Farfetch'ds move is super :)

EDIT: Wait Luxray already has Crunch...

 

[Skip Shot]

Hmm... Rock Polish Aggron+Head Smash+Rock Head is going to hurt a lot in NU, especially with all the bugs and fires there.

Yawn Pert sounds pretty awesome, can't wait to try that.

Anybody else thinking about Belly Drum+Salac Berry Ursaring? Looks good in theory IMO. (maybe a bulky version or a Tox Orb+Quick Feet Option)

Everything else was talked about.

 

[wolf]

I'm actually thinking of using an anti-lead Dugtrio with Reversal. @ Focus Sash, SR / Earthquake / Stone Edge / Reversal. Could use Liechi Berry with Endure / Sub, that way it will pack more of a punch.

 

[Painter]

yea i was thinking about belly drum ursaring and swampert with yawn will be cool too

 

[Salvation]

imo, focus punch > focus blast then sub + NP and Dark Pulse 4 bliss yknow.

And why not encore poliwrath anyone ? I see a potential chance to set up

Poliwrath @ Leftovers
252 HP / 252 Attack / 4 Def
Water Absorb
>Bulk Up
>Brick Break
>Waterfall
>Encore

 

[Syaoran]

I think the best additions currently are definitely Recover Quagsire and Nasty Plot Misdreavus / Jynx / Mr.Mime (for BP chain). Changes are always fun =]

Quagsire might actually be used more and finally become OU. Recover and Water Absorb vs SR (Swampert) is something to consider.

 

[chaos11011]

I see Defencive Empoleons comming around with FeatherDance.DD tropius will be very funny XD.Belly Drum on Magby will be useless though

Quag will be defenatly moved up to OU

 

[No you fail]

Nasty plot mismagius could turn out to be a pain
Also, anyone else think that dd + lo + extremespeed dragonite is going to be hard to deal with?

 

[wolf]

Also, anyone else think that dd + lo + extremespeed dragonite is going to be hard to deal with?

I doubt it, there is a still a bunch of Pokemon that can outrun Dragonite and take an ExtremeSpeed easily (Gengar, Jirachi, etc). But, a lot of the fragile stuff like Starmie, Jolteon, etc will have trouble revenge killing it now. CB will probably pose more of a threat imo, and Salamence would still dominant the DD position.

 

[Malicious Metang]

Can we please stop with these ridiculous assumptions? "Quagsire will be moved up to OU" is a bit much considering it's defensively and offensively outclassed by Swampert stat-wise. While it does have a few key advantages (Recover, Water Absorb, Encore), the lack of Stealth Rock will pretty much make it outclassed in terms of usefulness =/ It'll definately surge in usage for a while, but overall, it can't take neutral hits in OU as well as you people are making it out to be. I'd provide calcs but they'd probably be useless considering most people would just theorymon them to oblivion X_X Dragonite with Extremespeed is also not going to really alter the metagame much. The thing that normally revenge kill are either resistant (Lucario and Scizor) or don't really care all that much about it (Flygon). Could be useful as an Anti-Lead or just a plain CB set, but otherwise, it likely won't be a staple.

Aggron definately stands out for me. Head Smash 2HKOs Slowbro and nearly OHKOs Milotic (I think less defensive versions are straight up OHKOed). Rock Polish and Choice Band will be nice, but the same things that keep it in NU now (typing, low Speed, low Special Defense) will keep it from becoming OU. Poor Aggron, I'll still use you <3

 

[Pokedra]

Quagsire getting Recover is pretty awesome, it could probably go up to UU now <3

Extremespeed is nice on Dragonite but honestly I don't think it's going to get much more usage because of it. An anti-lead could work decently.

NPMismagius is pretty cool, Whiscash gets DD I guess a DDset is viable in NU.

Whiscash @ Leftovers
Nature : Adamant
EV : 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
- Dragon Dance
- Earthquake
- Waterfall
- Stone Edge

Overall there are some nice changes but nothing really significant in my opinion.

 

[Dark Azelf]

Super fang
Rattata, Raticate, Sandshrew, Sandslash, Nidoran♀, Nidorina, Nidoqueen, Nidoran♂, Nidorino, Nidoking, Zubat, Golbat, Mew, Sentret, Furret, Crobat, Snubbull, Granbull, Houndour, Houndoom, Poochyena, Mightyena, Zigzagoon, Linoone, Mawile, Carvanha, Sharpedo, Glalie, Spheal, Sealeo, Walrein, Huntail, Bidoof, Bibarel, Pachirisu, Glameow, Purugly, Croagunk, Toxicroak

Pain Split
Vulpix, Ninetales, Jigglypuff, Wigglytuff, Grimer, Muk, Gastly, Haunter, Gengar, Koffing, Weezing, Tangela, Staryu, Starmie, Porygon, Mew, Igglybuff, Natu, Xatu, Misdreavus, Pineco, Forretress, Dunsparce, Qwilfish, Slugma, Magcargo, Porygon2, Ralts, Kirlia, Gardevoir, Nosepass, Sableye, Mawile, Meditite, Medicham, Gulpin, Swalot, Lunatone, Solrock, Lileep, Cradily, Shuppet, Banette, Duskull, Dusclops, Rampardos, Shellos, Gastrodon, Drifloon, Drifblim, Mismagius, Spiritomb, Tangrowth, Porygon-Z, Gallade, Probopass, Dusknoir, Froslass, Rotom, Giratina

String Shot
Bulbasaur, Ivysaur, Venusaur, Caterpie, Metapod, Butterfree, Weedle, Kakuna, Beedrill, Paras, Parasect, Venonat, Venomoth, Pinsir, Mew, Ledyba, Ledian, Spinarak, Ariados, Yanma, Pineco, Forretress, Shuckle, Remoraid, Octillery, Mantine, Wurmple, Silcoon, Beautifly, Cascoon, Dustox, Surskit, Masquerain, Nincada, Ninjask, Shedinja, Volbeat, Illumise, Lileep, Cradily, Anorith, Armaldo, Kricketot, Kricketune, Burmy, Wormadam, Mothim, Combee, Vespiquen, Shellos, Gastrodon, Yanmega, Wormadam-G, Wormadam-S

Tail Wind
Charizard, Butterfree, Beedrill, Pidgey, Pidgeotto, Pidgeot, Spearow, Fearow, Zubat, Golbat, Venomoth, Scyther, Aerodactyl, Articuno, Zapdos, Moltres, Dragonite, Mew, Hoothoot, Noctowl, Ledyba, Ledian, Crobat, Togetic, Natu, Xatu, Yanma, Murkrow, Gligar, Scizor, Mantine, Skarmory, Suicune, Lugia, Ho-oh, Beautifly, Dustox, Shiftry, Taillow, Swellow, Wingull, Pelipper, Masquerain, Volbeat, Illumise, Vibrava, Flygon, Swablu, Altaria, Castform, Tropius, Salamence, Latias, Latios, Rayquaza, Starly, Staravia, Staraptor, Mothim, Combee, Vespiquen, Drifloon, Drifblim, Honchkrow, Chatot, Finneon, Lumineon, Togekiss, Yanmega, Gliscor, Arceus, Giratina-O, Shaymin-S

Gravity
Clefairy, Clefable, Jigglypuff, Wigglytuff, Abra, Kadabra, Alakazam, Magnemite, Magneton, Exeggcute, Exeggutor, Chansey, Staryu, Starmie, Porygon, Mewtwo, Mew, Cleffa, Igglybuff, Girafarig, Pineco, Forretress, Porygon2, Stantler, Blissey, Nosepass, Sableye, Meditite, Medicham, Lunatone, Solrock, Baltoy, Claydol, Duskull, Dusclops, Chimecho, Metang, Metagross, Regirock, Regice, Registeel, Jirachi, Deoxys, Chingling, Bronzor, Bronzong, Happiny, Magnezone, Porygon-Z, Probopass, Dusknoir, Dialga, Palkia, Regigigas, Giratina, Cresselia, Arceus, Deoxys-A, Deoxys-D, Deoxys-S, Giratina-O

Worry Seed
Bulbasaur, Ivysaur, Venusaur, Oddish, Gloom, Vileplume, Paras, Parasect, Psyduck, Golduck, Bellsprout, Weepinbell, Victreebel, Exeggcute, Exeggutor, Tangela, Mew, Chikorita, Bayleef, Meganium, Bellossom, Hoppip, Skiploom, Jumpluff, Sunkern, Sunflora, Celebi, Treecko, Grovyle, Sceptile, Seedot, Nuzleaf, Shiftry, Shroomish, Breloom, Roselia, Cacnea, Cacturne, Lileep, Cradily, Tropius, Turtwig, Grotle, Torterra, Budew, Roserade, Wormadam, Cherubi, Cherrim, Carnivine, Snover, Abomasnow, Tangrowth, Leafeon, Shaymin, Shaymin-S

Role Play
Clefairy, Clefable, Jigglypuff, Wigglytuff, Abra, Kadabra, Alakazam, Tentacool, Tentacruel, Slowpoke, Slowbro, Magnemite, Magneton, Drowzee, Hypno, Voltorb, Electrode, Staryu, Starmie, Mr. Mime, Jynx, Porygon, Mewtwo, Mew, Chikorita, Bayleef, Meganium, Hoothoot, Noctowl, Cleffa, Igglybuff, Togepi, Togetic, Natu, Xatu, Espeon, Slowking, Misdreavus, Girafarig, Dunsparce, Corsola, Porygon2, Smoochum, Celebi, Ralts, Kirlia, Gardevoir, Nosepass, Sableye, Meditite, Medicham, Spoink, Grumpig, Lunatone, Solrock, Baltoy, Claydol, Milotic, Kecleon, Shuppet, Banette, Chimecho, Absol, Latias, Latios, Jirachi, Deoxys, Bastiodon, Drifloon, Drifblim, Buneary, Lopunny, Mismagius, Chingling, Mime Jr., Magnezone, Togekiss, Porygon-Z, Gallade, Probopass, Uxie, Mesprit, Azelf, Cresselia, Arceus, Deoxys-A, Deoxys-D, Deoxys-S, Giratina-O

Magic Coat
Clefairy, Clefable, Vulpix, Ninetales, Jigglypuff, Wigglytuff, Psyduck, Golduck, Mankey, Primeape, Abra, Kadabra, Alakazam, Machop, Machoke, Machamp, Gengar, Drowzee, Hypno, Hitmonlee, Hitmonchan, Mr. Mime, Jynx, Tauros, Mewtwo, Mew, Cleffa, Igglybuff, Sudowoodo, Aipom, Houndour, Houndoom, Stantler, Tyrogue, Hitmontop, Smoochum, Blaziken, Makuhita, Hariyama, Sableye, Meditite, Medicham, Spoink, Grumpig, Spinda, Cacnea, Cacturne, Kecleon, Shuppet, Banette, Absol, Latias, Deoxys, Chimchar, Monferno, Infernape, Ambipom, Bonsly, Mime Jr., Chatot, Riolu, Lucario, Croagunk, Toxicroak, Snover, Abomasnow, Uxie, Mesprit, Azelf, Deoxys-A, Deoxys-D, Deoxys-S

Heall Bell
Clefairy, Clefable, Jigglypuff, Wigglytuff, Chansey, Jynx, Lapras, Eevee, Vaporeon, Jolteon, Flareon, Mew, Chinchou, Lanturn, Igglybuff, Togepi, Togetic, Mareep, Flaaffy, Ampharos, Espeon, Umbreon, Misdreavus, Snubbull, Granbull, Smoochum, Miltank, Blissey, Celebi, Gardevoir, Skitty, Delcatty, Spoink, Grumpig, Swablu, Altaria, Chimecho, Buneary, Lopunny, Mismagius, Chingling, Happiny, Togekiss, Leafeon, Glaceon, Uxie, Phione, Manaphy

Low kick
Golduck, Mankey, Primeape, Machop, Machoke, Machamp, Drowzee, Hypno, Exeggutor, Cubone, Marowak, Hitmonlee, Hitmonchan, Kangaskhan, Electabuzz, Magmar, Kabutops, Mewtwo, Mew, Typhlosion, Totodile, Croconaw, Feraligatr, Sudowoodo, Aipom, Snubbull, Granbull, Heracross, Sneasel, Ursaring, Tyrogue, Hitmontop, Elekid, Tyranitar, Treecko, Grovyle, Sceptile, Combusken, Blaziken, Mudkip, Marshtomp, Swampert, Nuzleaf, Shiftry, Vigoroth, Slaking, Loudred, Exploud, Makuhita, Hariyama, Sableye, Aggron, Meditite, Medicham, Spinda, Cacnea, Cacturne, Zangoose, Armaldo, Kecleon, Deoxys, Chimchar, Monferno, Infernape, Floatzel, Ambipom, Buneary, Lopunny, Bonsly, Riolu, Lucario, Croagunk, Toxicroak, Weavile, Electivire, Magmortar, Gallade, Deoxys-A, Deoxys-D, Deoxys-S

Sky Attack
Pidgeot, Fearow, Dodrio, Aerodactyl, Articuno, Zapdos, Moltres, Mew, Noctowl, Crobat, Xatu, Delibird, Skarmory, Lugia, Ho-oh, Swellow, Pelipper, Altaria, Staraptor, Honchkrow, Chatot, Togekiss, Gliscor

Block
Venusaur, Geodude, Graveler, Golem, Slowpoke, Slowbro, Muk, Onix, Rhydon, Lapras, Snorlax, Mew, Sudowoodo, Slowking, Forretress, Steelix, Donphan, Miltank, Blissey, Tyranitar, Slaking, Nosepass, Aggron, Swalot, Wailord, Cradily, Armaldo, Snorunt, Glalie, Walrein, Metagross, Regirock, Regice, Registeel, Kyogre, Groudon, Torterra, Bastiodon, Gastrodon, Bronzong, Bonsly, Abomasnow, Lickilicky, Rhyperior, Tangrowth, Mamoswine, Probopass, Froslass, Regigigas

Bug Bite
Caterpie, Metapod, Butterfree, Weedle, Kakuna, Beedrill, Paras, Parasect, Venonat, Venomoth, Scyther, Mew, Ledyba, Ledian, Spinarak, Ariados, Yanma, Pineco, Forretress, Scizor, Shuckle, Heracross, Wurmple, Silcoon, Beautifly, Cascoon, Dustox, Surskit, Masquerain, Nincada, Ninjask, Shedinja, Volbeat, Illumise, Trapinch, Vibrava, Flygon, Kricketot, Kricketune, Burmy, Wormadam, Mothim, Combee, Vespiquen, Skorupi, Drapion, Carnivine, Yanmega, Heatran, Wormadam-G, Wormadam-S

Headbutt
Bulbasaur, Ivysaur, Venusaur, Charmander, Charmeleon, Charizard, Squirtle, Wartortle, Blastoise, Rattata, Raticate, Ekans, Arbok, Pikachu, Raichu, Sandshrew, Sandslash, Nidoran♀, Nidorina, Nidoqueen, Nidoran♂, Nidorino, Nidoking, Clefairy, Clefable, Vulpix, Ninetales, Jigglypuff, Wigglytuff, Meowth, Persian, Psyduck, Golduck, Mankey, Primeape, Growlithe, Arcanine, Poliwag, Poliwhirl, Poliwrath, Abra, Kadabra, Alakazam, Machop, Machoke, Machamp, Geodude, Graveler, Golem, Ponyta, Rapidash, Slowpoke, Slowbro, Farfetch'd, Seel, Dewgong, Gengar, Onix, Drowzee, Hypno, Voltorb, Electrode, Exeggutor, Cubone, Marowak, Hitmonlee, Hitmonchan, Lickitung, Rhyhorn, Rhydon, Chansey, Tangela, Kangaskhan, Horsea, Seadra, Mr. Mime, Scyther, Jynx, Electabuzz, Magmar, Pinsir, Tauros, Gyarados, Lapras, Eevee, Vaporeon, Jolteon, Flareon, Omanyte, Omastar, Kabutops, Aerodactyl, Snorlax, Dratini, Dragonair, Dragonite, Mewtwo, Mew, Chikorita, Bayleef, Meganium, Cyndaquil, Quilava, Typhlosion, Totodile, Croconaw, Feraligatr, Sentret, Furret, Ledyba, Ledian, Pichu, Cleffa, Igglybuff, Togepi, Togetic, Mareep, Flaaffy, Ampharos, Marill, Azumarill, Sudowoodo, Politoed, Hoppip, Skiploom, Jumpluff, Aipom, Yanma, Wooper, Quagsire, Espeon, Umbreon, Slowking, Misdreavus, Girafarig, Pineco, Forretress, Dunsparce, Gligar, Steelix, Snubbull, Granbull, Qwilfish, Scizor, Shuckle, Heracross, Sneasel, Teddiursa, Ursaring, Swinub, Piloswine, Corsola, Delibird, Mantine, Houndour, Houndoom, Kingdra, Phanpy, Donphan, Stantler, Tyrogue, Hitmontop, Elekid, Magby, Miltank, Blissey, Raikou, Entei, Suicune, Larvitar, Pupitar, Tyranitar, Lugia, Treecko, Grovyle, Sceptile, Torchic, Combusken, Blaziken, Mudkip, Marshtomp, Swampert, Poochyena, Mightyena, Zigzagoon, Linoone, Lotad, Lombre, Ludicolo, Seedot, Nuzleaf, Shiftry, Ralts, Kirlia, Gardevoir, Shroomish, Breloom, Slakoth, Vigoroth, Slaking, Whismur, Loudred, Exploud, Makuhita, Hariyama, Azurill, Nosepass, Skitty, Delcatty, Sableye, Mawile, Aron, Lairon, Aggron, Meditite, Medicham, Electrike, Manectric, Plusle, Minun, Gulpin, Swalot, Wailmer, Wailord, Numel, Camerupt, Torkoal, Spoink, Grumpig, Spinda, Trapinch, Vibrava, Flygon, Cacnea, Cacturne, Zangoose, Seviper, Barboach, Whiscash, Baltoy, Claydol, Cradily, Anorith, Armaldo, Kecleon, Shuppet, Banette, Duskull, Dusclops, Tropius, Absol, Snorunt, Glalie, Spheal, Sealeo, Walrein, Relicanth, Bagon, Shelgon, Salamence, Beldum, Metang, Metagross, Regirock, Regice, Registeel, Kyogre, Groudon, Rayquaza, Jirachi, Deoxys, Turtwig, Grotle, Torterra, Chimchar, Monferno, Infernape, Piplup, Prinplup, Empoleon, Bidoof, Bibarel, Shinx, Luxio, Luxray, Cranidos, Rampardos, Shieldon, Bastiodon, Pachirisu, Buizel, Floatzel, Shellos, Gastrodon, Ambipom, Buneary, Lopunny, Mismagius, Glameow, Purugly, Stunky, Skuntank, Bonsly, Mime Jr., Happiny, Gible, Gabite, Garchomp, Munchlax, Riolu, Lucario, Hippopotas, Hippowdon, Skorupi, Drapion, Croagunk, Toxicroak, Mantyke, Snover, Abomasnow, Weavile, Lickilicky, Rhyperior, Tangrowth, Electivire, Magmortar, Togekiss, Yanmega, Leafeon, Glaceon, Gliscor, Mamoswine, Gallade, Probopass, Dusknoir, Froslass, Uxie, Mesprit, Azelf, Dialga, Palkia, Heatran, Regigigas, Giratina, Darkrai, Shaymin, Arceus, Deoxys-A, Deoxys-D, Deoxys-S, Giratina-O, Shaymin-S

Move tutors guys, super fang dear god lol Luckily only a few useful pokes get it. Taunt + Super Fang Crobat anyone ?


Pain Split forry and Rotom, jeez. Some walls just got "ok" healing moves.

And FINALLY clerics might be useful with more viable users.

edit : Just for the lols, Pain Split Gengar beats Blissey prolly rofl! Actually that could work, Taunt/Pain Spilt/S-Ball/Focus Blast. Kinda like a mini stall breaker idk.