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LGBT (Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Transexual) anyone?

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I find it hard to believe a lot of people who are under 15 who say they're gay or bisexual. I'm not saying it's impossible to know then, but with all the attention-grabbers these days, it's just so hard to tell. I was preeeetty sure I was bi as early as 14 and could pick out "signs" of being attracted to the same sex going back as early as 8, but I was hesitant to admit it or anything because I both didn't want to be seen as doing it for the attention and, to be honest, the fact that so many people could so easily go "oh, yeah, I'm totally bi/gay because I liked someone of the same sex" made me wonder if I wasn't just subconsciously trying to be different for the sake of it. :/ And for that same reason, I just take it with a grain of salt when a lot of people (especially online, where gender and sex is so easy to blur) tell me their sexual orientation.

One thing that has always bugged me about PC is that, once PC's "culture" allowed for GBLT tolerance (this place was not always as gay-friendly as it is now :P), eeeeveryone came out and flaunted it when, to be quite honest, I really don't give a damn what someone's orientation is. Really, unless it's relevant to the topic at hand, I don't want to know. If the fact that you're gay is literally the only thing you can tell people when you meet them, that's just a little bit sad. I guess it's not just a PC thing but PC's really the place I notice it the most of everywhere I go, be it online or offline. :| I'm not saying pride is a bad thing, it's just... when your defining trait is the fact that you're gay as opposed to, say, funny, charming, smart, quirky, etc. then that's just weird imo. But maybe it's just me. u_u I'm always hesitant to mention this because I don't want to be jumped at with "WELL IT'S MY RIGHT TO SHOW MY PRIDE" because I know it is, but it's still annoying when it's done... obnoxiously? Ugh, I dunno, I can't think of the right way to word it. Hopefully this is coming across okay but it probably isn't, lmao. :(

Also I don't believe it's a choice to be gay/straight/bi. I'm not sure why anyone would choose to be attracted to the same sex and as far as I know the only people who say it is a choice are... straight. Like honestly, I can't even imagine myself sitting here going, "HMMM I think from now on I'm going to find both men AND women highly attractive." Is that how it's supposed to go? Because that seems pretty ridiculous to me. Or is it a subconscious choice? If that's the case, does it even count as a choice? I'm on the fence about nature vs nurture though! I don't know if someone is born gay (ie, it's in the DNA) or if their upbringing and the way they were raised has more to do with it. 'Cause really it could be either one for me, lmao. :( I'm just pretty damn sure I never consciously sat there and decided to be attracted to the same sex.
 
Yeah, I don't think I'd want to flaunt it sort of thing, kind of like in the real life scenario if someone said, "Oh are you bringing your girlfriend?", I may respond like "Oh, actually my boyfriend."... Basically if they only bring it up.

I don't find the appeal to go to gay pride parades either. I think it is a bit of a stereotype.

As for those who believe it is a choice (like you mentioned, most of them being straight), is probably because they "feel" that they made a choice of choosing women, perhaps. Ignoring the fact that they are being naive, and for them it was actually natural to just be attracted to women.

As for the nature and nurture debate, I think it works for both gay and straight people (as people seem to not include straight people). That is to say, what if a straight person was born into a society where there was none of the opposite gender?

Basically, there has to be something for the person to be attracted to. But that doesn't mean that as a result of having something to attract to, that they choose it.

I don't think I ever had a choice, I just embedded myself into self-denial.

I wish I could explain this better :3 sorry.
 
Nice. Cute spanish boys (my first boyfriend was spanish. We were 8 at the time, I mean, but still. (: )

And @ Lightning, there's just one point I feel the need to say something to, even though it has no impact whatsoever on the original basis of the post. I know that people don't sit there and decided to be gay/bi/lesbian or whatever, but sometimes, there comes a point when you just know, you know? (I feel like the turtle from Finding Nemo) For some people is comes earlier than others, so it's ok for people at fourteen to realise their true self, and sometimes it won't make itself known until you're in your forties etc.

Unless there are just some fourteen year old girls sat here, thinking "Oh, everyone in the LGBT thread are talking about coolness things! I might join them... oh, but I'm not gay. Oh well! No one will know the truth, this is tha interwebz LOL ROFL."

In which case, a) Thank you for calling me cool, and b) Get away, demon to grammar! Away with your bastardisation of the english language!

Man, I really am just holding a conversation with myself here.
 
Virtual Chatot said:
Kura said:
Originally Posted by Kura
I'm thinking of starting a straight club or something because there's a gblt one and I think it's wrong to leave people out.
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What the bloody hell would you even talk about? "OMFG I LIKE BEWBES NOM NOM ROFL!1"
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Entrancer said:
After five pages, this thread lost all innocence and became the place where we talk about hot guys.

And Irish Boys <3
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Feign said:
Lol... yeah, pretty much XD

Oh well...
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Now who was the one mocking who? You'd do the same exact damn thing.
:/ How freaking disrespectful. Whatever. At least I'm not the hypocrite.

:/ And I think this goes out to everyone who feels like the idea of a "Straight Club" is stupid, and still decides to continue on with that random nonsense that in NO way helps other people's romantic or sexual situations.
I'm all for a gay club, but I find the idea of mocking a straight club silly if all anyone's going to do is talk about "Hot guys."
 
Kura said:
Now who was the one mocking who? You'd do the same exact damn thing.
:/ How freaking disrespectful. Whatever. At least I'm not the hypocrite.

:/ And I think this goes out to everyone who feels like the idea of a "Straight Club" is stupid, and still decides to continue on with that random nonsense that in NO way helps other people's romantic or sexual situations.
I'm all for a gay club, but I find the idea of mocking a straight club silly if all anyone's going to do is talk about "Hot guys."
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We could talk about hot girls in straight club! Hooray! Emma Watson FTW!

Seriously though do we really need clubs that are just labels?

Though I'm thinking of starting a "Vertically-Challenged Society". No one steal this idea!
 
Kura said:
Now who was the one mocking who? You'd do the same exact damn thing.
:/ How freaking disrespectful. Whatever. At least I'm not the hypocrite.

:/ And I think this goes out to everyone who feels like the idea of a "Straight Club" is stupid, and still decides to continue on with that random nonsense that in NO way helps other people's romantic or sexual situations.
I'm all for a gay club, but I find the idea of mocking a straight club silly if all anyone's going to do is talk about "Hot guys."
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I'm actually going to have to agree here. If you are going to talk about fairness and equality, then mocking a Straight Club is just damn hypocricy, and I HATE hypocricy. At the present time there is no reason not to have a Straight Club, except maybe, once again, that accursed Political Correctness. God forbid someone doesn't like our beliefs. It's not like we have freedom of speech, or anything.
All I'm saying is, Kura, if you feel so strongly about it, don't post here saying how there should be a Straight Club, go and make one. As with anything, the only surefire way for change to occur is through action.
 
The idea of an LGBT club is to talk about things that LGBT people have to deal with exclusively, like coming out of the closet.

The things that a Straight Club would talk about are just... general things like relationships, things that don't really need their own exclusive place, as they always come up in regular conversation anyway.

Who's stopping you? Nobody. But I think the idea of such a club is just a bit silly, and it doesn't help that really its only purpose would be to get back at the LGBT club which is just immature.

If people really want the labels to die than they should stop treating LGBT people like they are something unnatural. You see, if coming out wasn't such a stress, than really it would become less significant and nobody would really need to talk about all of the rejections and such.

The purpose of an LGBT club is just to comfort those of us that deal with issues like that. Some of us don't have much if any support in real life. I'm sorry but I just can't see such a purpose in a straight club. As I said it would only be there out of immaturity.
 
Holy sexy red-heads this thread exploded over night 0.0

I think every gay/lesbian/bi/transgender person has a right to make themselves known and be accepted for who they are. Now, that some choose to flaunt it, I frown on you. I'm 15, gay, and I don't flaunt. I'm in the effin bible belt of Florida ;_; which sucks ass cuz there are little to no gay guys here. I mean there are some but they fall into the sterotypical 'girly gay guy' and I dont find that attractive. I'm attracted to the guys who don't talk like girls or act like them.

I've actually fallen extremely hard for one of my best friends who I'm certain is either bisexual, or gay himself and hasn't come to terms with it yet. There are a lot of guys at my school who are country-boy hot and it's torture that I can't have them! Particularly this one redhead =3 and the guy who plays bari-sax in our school band (he's a football player too and he's ripped XD)
 
Envy II said:
The idea of an LGBT club is to talk about things that LGBT people have to deal with exclusively, like coming out of the closet.

The things that a Straight Club would talk about are just... general things like relationships, things that don't really need their own exclusive place, as they always come up in regular conversation anyway.

Who's stopping you? Nobody. But I think the idea of such a club is just a bit silly, and it doesn't help that really its only purpose would be to get back at the LGBT club which is just immature.

If people really want the labels to die than they should stop treating LGBT people like they are something unnatural. You see, if coming out wasn't such a stress, than really it would become less significant and nobody would really need to talk about all of the rejections and such.

The purpose of an LGBT club is just to comfort those of us that deal with issues like that. Some of us don't have much if any support in real life. I'm sorry but I just can't see such a purpose in a straight club. As I said it would only be there out of immaturity.
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Exactly, because you don't have to make a straight club, because you can pretty much assume that most people are straight. This is the LGBT thread because straight people are the stereotypically (Dare I say it) normal ones, where there isn't discrimination, and there never have been hardships. Oh and for the ones who said that people were killed for being straight, BS! They were shot or whatever because they were discriminating, not just because they're straight. They are the ones who made fun of people, and THAT'S the reason why a gay guy would come to school with a gun shooting people, because they were judging, not because they were straight. So shallow in my opinion......
(Just to clarify I do not support walking into school and shooting people to death, not good.... )
 
TheUltimateSacrifice said:
I disagree with what "LGBT" people do; but I will defend to the death their right to do it.
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wha...?
who...?

Are you Voltaire?

pokemonleaguechamp said:
I'm actually going to have to agree here. If you are going to talk about fairness and equality, then mocking a Straight Club is just damn hypocricy, and I HATE hypocricy. At the present time there is no reason not to have a Straight Club, except maybe, once again, that accursed Political Correctness. God forbid someone doesn't like our beliefs. It's not like we have freedom of speech, or anything.
All I'm saying is, Kura, if you feel so strongly about it, don't post here saying how there should be a Straight Club, go and make one. As with anything, the only surefire way for change to occur is through action.
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I don't find the purpose of a straight club pointless, if you really fell like you want one, why don't you start up one? it's pretty much gonna have the same purpose of LGBT bars, only with guys liking girls and girlds liking guys.

However, like said above a few posts, if it's for the only reason is to get back at Gay/Lesbian bars, then no.
That would be hypicritical of you, then.
Wouldn't you agree?

But I'm sure that's not the point you were making, anyway. So no worries. :3

Notch-Eared Pichu said:
Holy sexy red-heads this thread exploded over night 0.0

I think every gay/lesbian/bi/transgender person has a right to make themselves known and be accepted for who they are. Now, that some choose to flaunt it, I frown on you. I'm 15, gay, and I don't flaunt. I'm in the effin bible belt of Florida ;_; which sucks ass cuz there are little to no gay guys here. I mean there are some but they fall into the sterotypical 'girly gay guy' and I dont find that attractive. I'm attracted to the guys who don't talk like girls or act like them.

I've actually fallen extremely hard for one of my best friends who I'm certain is either bisexual, or gay himself and hasn't come to terms with it yet. There are a lot of guys at my school who are country-boy hot and it's torture that I can't have them! Particularly this one redhead =3 and the guy who plays bari-sax in our school band (he's a football player too and he's ripped XD)
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You know, Gay is being attracted to your own gender, so wouldn't acting like the oppisite gender not make sense in the definition of gay?

According to steryotypical behavoir, every gay couple would be more like lesbians, while Lesbians couples would be more like gay couples. :/
Behavoir wise, anyway.
 
Isn't society already a straight club? Seriously, "straight" is the default category and 99% of advice and support out there assumes this.

And why can't there just be a "hot people admiration club" or something like that so everyone, regardless of gender, can talk about who they find attractive?
 
Sooooooooooooooooooooooo

I just came out to my mom finally... I had planned to do it today anyway... And am glad I have done so. She took it very well anyway. Now to just tell my dad (my parents are divorced), and while he is not religious, he believes gay people chose to be gay... So that is a major work-around...
 
Feign said:
Sooooooooooooooooooooooo

I just came out to my mom finally... I had planned to do it today anyway... And am glad I have done so. She took it very well anyway. Now to just tell my dad (my parents are divorced), and while he is not religious, he believes gay people chose to be gay... So that is a major work-around...
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well good luck with that!
 
Feign said:
Haha, thanks. My mom even encouraged me to seek out others like myself (there is a community hall on the other side of town), since I really don't have proper friends (being shy, distrusting and pretty much closested for the majority of my life)...
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Well done, I'm glad you did this!! Good luck telling your dad.

I guess I'm kind of lucky I didn't want to remain closeted through my freshman year, so I made sure my friends know. But for the majority of your life as in...? U must be... 17? 18? Idk
 
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