FireRed hack: Pokémon Throwback v211001: Kanto, Your Way

[tkim]

I just like to take a moment of appreciation for this hack. To me this is by far the best version FireRed can get without diverging from it's original intent. It's all about the small tweaks like cutting trees for good, nature stat change display, easy to re-use repels, running indoors and running shoes from the get go. These and other changes help so much with game flow.
Congratulations to this room hacker, it's a masterpiece!

It's very hard to think of a way to improve this. The only thing I can come up with is:
- Fossils are resurrected in a much higher level. Kind of rough to have Level 5 Aerodactyl in Late Game. So you stop all the game flow to grind them to your party level. (I think level 30-35 would be far more acceptable).
- Staryu seems to be placed only on Cinnabar Island, so only late game. I would place it on either Pallet Town, Viridian City and/or Route 22 (much like Leaf Green). When it would be far more acceptable to catch it, teach it Surf and not have that much grind to reach your party's level.

I'll take a look at Staryu's locations. I won't change the fossils.

Hey tkim, can you please tell me how to evolve my eevee into an espeon?

If you have RTC enabled on your emulator/flash card, it'll behave just like it does in R/S/E. To get Espeon, level Eevee with +220 happiness from 12:00 p.m. - 11:59 p.m.

 

[n0n]

Nice hack, however I was experiencing some light but annoying sound crackling with mGBA 0.6.2 and with some testing with the source files I found that Game Engine Optimization.ips was the culprit.

Does anybody else have this issue ? I didn't bother testing with other emulator since most of them have plenty of issue and mGBA is supposed to be the most accurate anyway.

 

[RichterSnipes]

It's been awhile, hasn't it?

You all doing well? I hope so. I haven't worked on anything Pok?mon related since I was last here, so I don't have any updates to give on this. My work on other retro things has naturally brought me back here, if for nothing else but to pop in. Who knows, though. I skimmed through the posts here since I left, and they have given me some thoughts. Thoughts on people's reaction to my overhaul as well as tkim's branch of the hack. Thoughts on how my perception of what the hack should be might look like now that I'm a 1/2 year wiser. Plus there's apparently a new in-game clock hack? Interesting. Really makes you think about things like this...

Have a good week, everyone!

 

[anarchyincr]

Hi, im pretty new romhacks and have been playing tkim's version, so i caught raikou.. Where do i find the other legendaries? i read the changelog and it says "Handling of the other two legendary beasts is now controlled by a map script in Pallet Town instead of the Hall of Fame."

mm What does that mean?xd , i keep trying to find suicune but i cant, so maybe i have to beat the E4 again?, or talk to someone? :C?

 

[152637??]

Anarchyincr the hall a fame means that you have to beat the elite four and champion to get the other two legendaries. But after defeating the elite four and champion you'll have to go to around kanto and find them like you found raikou.

 

[anarchyincr]

but in the changelog it says that you dont have to beat the e4 again, or thats what i understand

 

[Chronosplit]

Nice hack, however I was experiencing some light but annoying sound crackling with mGBA 0.6.2 and with some testing with the source files I found that Game Engine Optimization.ips was the culprit.

Does anybody else have this issue ? I didn't bother testing with other emulator since most of them have plenty of issue and mGBA is supposed to be the most accurate anyway.

You're probably right on the money.

I haven't tested Throwback on a real GBA, but it stands to reason that a hack that is optimized in the engine for lower end emulators would break in some way when introduced to a more accurate one. Stuff like this would happen a lot around ZSNES or Nesticle, for example. mGBA is better than the rest in accuracy and most likely speed now (I tend to just straight suggest it over VBA or VBA-M), and it probably wouldn't hurt to make an anti-patch for this part or else the hack is dated forever. I kinda wonder what other hacks here are in the same boat now?

If a real GBA (a 3DS doesn't count) doesn't exhibit this sound popping though, I'd say this is an obscure emulation issue that should be taken to mGBA's github.

 

[Spear Pillar]

hi yes hello this is the best fire red QoL hack ive played love you so much xoxo
the gb sounds make me bust a fat nut everytime i hear them

 

[tkim]

Plus there's apparently a new in-game clock hack? Interesting. Really makes you think about things like this...

It isn't a new clock hack, but a fix to the implemented RTC. The evolutions occured randomly instead of at the right times. I fixed it to simply follow R/S/E's times for evolutions.

Nice hack, however I was experiencing some light but annoying sound crackling with mGBA 0.6.2 and with some testing with the source files I found that Game Engine Optimization.ips was the culprit.

Does anybody else have this issue ? I didn't bother testing with other emulator since most of them have plenty of issue and mGBA is supposed to be the most accurate anyway.

I'll remove the optimization in an update for both official and unofficial versions.

Hi, im pretty new romhacks and have been playing tkim's version, so i caught raikou.. Where do i find the other legendaries? i read the changelog and it says "Handling of the other two legendary beasts is now controlled by a map script in Pallet Town instead of the Hall of Fame."

mm What does that mean?xd , i keep trying to find suicune but i cant, so maybe i have to beat the E4 again?, or talk to someone? :C?

Hi there, what I meant to say is that the actual releasing of the legendary beasts is handled by the map script in Pallet Town. You will still need to enter the Hall of Fame in order to set the flag that triggers the map script. (I implemented this in order to allow "re-rolling for better stats" if one isn't satisfied with the stats of the legendary beasts)

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Did anyone else experience bugs when obtaining Celebi? If so, can you tell me which emulators you have used and/or if you have used cheats?

 

[GiraffeKnight]

A quick suggestion: would it be possible to add an IV rating to the status screen like the one Pokemon Gaia has?

For example: https://imgur.com/a/cPreTrj

I just think it looks great and is a technical improvement to the game much in the spirit of this hack.

 

[Vplay]

Are there Pokemons Evolutions from later generations like Porygon-Z , Magmortar , mime Jr or Sylveon ? If not can u add this ?

 

[Spear Pillar]

Are there Pokemons Evolutions from later generations like Porygon-Z , Magmortar , mime Jr or Sylveon ? If not can u add this ?

the point of the hack is for it to be as close to gen 1 as possible in gen 3, hence "throwback" adding cross gen evolutions just wouldnt make sense

 

[Valkinaz]

Pretty awesome hack. I think it came pretty close to original RBY. I think only way to be closer would be to make RBY style sprite replacement xD

I wonder. Maybe it would be worth to make separate version where pokemons stats are tweaked a bit more to 1st gen style(make SpA and SpD equal) and tweak moves like hyper beam to there gen1 glory. Might actually make throwback even more nostalgic(and broken xD)

 

[tkim]

Unofficial Throwback v180629
and
Official Throwback v180629 release!​

Today, I'm happy to announce updates for both the Unofficial and Official versions of Throwback. Originally, I had only released updates for my 'Unofficial Throwback' in absense of RichterSnipes. This time however, I wanted to release two different versions, one of which is purely bug fixes for the official release. I provided these two updates because I felt that my unofficial version might be a bit off tangent to the theme of Throwback itself. These two versions will be available in a single archive labeled 'Pokemon Throwback.zip'.

Players that prefer RichterSnipes' version over my 'unofficial', should enjoy my 'official' update, as that update provides nothing but bug fixes for RichterSnipes' latest v170709 release. 'Unofficial Throwback' however, not only provides bug fixes, but also brings in more features albeit in a single ips patch.

Long story short, here are the main points of each version:

Pokemon Throwback v180629.zip (OFFICIAL)
- bug fix updates
- individual ips patches updated and available

Unofficial Throwback v180629.zip (UNOFFICIAL, by tkim)
- bug fix updates
- new and altered features
- single full ips patch only

Download link (also posted in the main thread topic): https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B8NwbZIkRQl8bU5ZYThQel9uMzQ/view
Main thread topic: https://www.pokecommunity.com/posts/7268152/

More info on Unofficial Throwback:

Spoiler:

Unofficial Pok?mon Throwback v180629

What is it?​

A modified version of RichterSnipes' v170709 (2017 Jul. 09) patch that attempts to fix the bugs
of Pok?mon Throwback, while bringing in extra features from gen IV+ and borrows ideas from the
GEN III games and retaining full compatibility when linking with the 3rd Gen games.
As the name of this ROM hack states, it is not official to Pok?mon Throwback.​

A main list of features introduced after RichterSnipes' v170709 (2017 Jul. 09) can be viewed below:

As of Unofficial Pok?mon Throwback v180629:


GB Sounds:

• GB Sounds' function has been altered to behave more natively to the 3rd Gen handheld games
• Fanfares played will be more in-tune with the 3rd Gen handheld games, including two fanfares (though inaccurate) from the 2nd Gen handheld games.
• Music played during Link Battles will now play the standard kanto trainer/gym leader battle theme.

Catch 'em All:

• All 251 Pok?mon from the 1st and 2nd Generations can be caught without an external save file.
• Faraway Island is accessible and located near Two Island.
• Celebi will join the player's Party, if able, after Entering the Hall of Fame for the second time.
• The Event Person appears on the upper levels of a Pok?mon Center after unlocking the Mystery Gift and will handle the following:
  - Give away Event items such as the Mystic Ticket
  - Give away an Egg containing Pichu with the exclusive move Surf
  - Change the spawns inside of Altering Cave
• Navel Rock and Faraway Island will show up on the Town Map by default.
• Pok?mon sent through Bill's Teleporter will evolve, if able, as if they were traded with another player, including consumption of held items such as Metal Coat.

Note about the legality of Mew and Celebi obtained in-game:

Spoiler:

I've made these two as legally (but not legit) as possible, meaning it should be able to pass the Pokemon Bank checks that are available for newer titles. When transferred and captured through Pal Park, Mew caught from Faraway Island will be stated as being originally from Emerald (US). When Celebi is received, it will have the same info. as the undistributed Celebi from Pokemon Colosseum (US).

Mew caught at Faraway Island in Unofficial Throwback:
- will be stated as originally being from Emerald (US) when transferred to newer titles via Pal Park
- legal, but not legit due to the Old Sea Map never being distributed for Emerald (US)

Celebi received in Unofficial Throwback:
- based on the undistributed Celebi in Pokemon Colosseum (US)
- legal, but not legit due to unused event that distributed Celebi in Pokemon Colosseum (US)

Old Sea Map distribution info: https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Old_Sea_Map#Distribution

Agate Celebi distribution info: https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/List_of_undistributed_event_Pokémon#Agate_Village_Celebi

Wardrobe:

• The Player's Bicycle rims are now yellow.

Extras:

• The Stats Judge will appear outside the Trainer Tower post-game.
• The Hidden Power Judge will appear inside the Celadon Game Prize Corner post-game.
• Lostelle will give out a rare Berry such as EV-lowering Berries everytime the player enters the Hall of Fame post-game.
• Pok?mon Marts will give away Premier Balls with every purchase of 10 Pok? Balls or more in a single transaction post-game.
• Volt Tackle can now be learned by breeding within the Pikachu family holding a Light Ball.
• Flame Body and Magma Armor Abilities will now reduce Egg cycles by half.
• The Celadon Mansion will now be referred to as the Celadon Condominiums or Condominiums.

Changelog for Unofficial Throwback v180629: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B8NwbZIkRQl8R1laRzN4NGpzYzg/view

 

[Chronosplit]

So the official Throwback download has all the fixes for the individual file parts? Thanks a lot for this!

 

[RLLZ13579]

Can someone give me a shiny legendary Pokemon

 

[tkim]

Official and Unofficial v180715 release!

Tiny developer-oversight fix for both versions:

[*]Fixed an error where the Vermilion Gym Guide mentioned "Bird"-type instead of the "Flying"-type.

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Download link (also posted in the main thread topic): https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B8NwbZIkRQl8bU5ZYThQel9uMzQ/view
Main thread topic: https://www.pokecommunity.com/posts/7268152/

More info on Unofficial Throwback v180715:

Spoiler:

Unofficial Pokémon Throwback v180715

What is it?​

A modified version of RichterSnipes' v170709 (2017 Jul. 09) patch that attempts to fix the bugs
of Pokémon Throwback, while bringing in extra features from gen IV+ and borrows ideas from the
GEN III games and retaining full compatibility when linking with the 3rd Gen games.
As the name of this ROM hack states, it is not official to Pokémon Throwback.​

A main list of features introduced after RichterSnipes' v170709 (2017 Jul. 09) can be viewed below:

As of Unofficial Pokémon Throwback v180715:


GB Sounds:

• GB Sounds' function has been altered to behave more natively to the 3rd Gen handheld games
• Fanfares played will be more in-tune with the 3rd Gen handheld games, including two fanfares (though inaccurate) from the 2nd Gen handheld games.
• Music played during Link Battles will now play the standard kanto trainer/gym leader battle theme.

Catch 'em All:

• All 251 Pokémon from the 1st and 2nd Generations can be caught without an external save file.
• Faraway Island is accessible and located near Two Island.
• Celebi will join the player's Party, if able, after Entering the Hall of Fame for the second time.
• The Event Person appears on the upper level of a Pokémon Center after unlocking the Mystery Gift and will handle the following:
  - Give away Event items such as the Mystic Ticket
  - Give away an Egg containing Pichu with the exclusive move Surf
  - Change the spawns inside of Altering Cave
• Navel Rock and Faraway Island will show up on the Town Map by default.
• Pokémon sent through Bill's Teleporter will evolve, if able, as if they were traded away to another player, including consumption of held items such as Metal Coat.

Note about the legality of Mew and Celebi obtained in-game:

Spoiler:

I've made these two as legally (but not legit) as possible, meaning it should be able to pass the Pokemon Bank checks that are available for newer titles. When transferred and captured through Pal Park, Mew caught from Faraway Island will be stated as being originally from Emerald (US). When Celebi is received, it will have the same info. as the undistributed Celebi from Pokemon Colosseum (US).

Mew caught at Faraway Island in Unofficial Throwback:
- will be stated as originally being from Emerald (US) when transferred to newer titles via Pal Park
- legal, but not legit due to the Old Sea Map never being distributed for Emerald (US)

Celebi received in Unofficial Throwback:
- based on the undistributed Celebi in Pokemon Colosseum (US)
- legal, but not legit due to the unused in-game event that distributed Celebi in Pokemon Colosseum (US)

Old Sea Map distribution info: https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Old_Sea_Map#Distribution

Agate Celebi distribution info: https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/List_of_undistributed_event_Pokémon#Agate_Village_Celebi

Extras:

• The Stats Judge will appear outside of the Trainer Tower post-game.
• The Hidden Power judge will appear inside of the Prize Exchange in Celadon post-game.
• Lostelle will give out a rare Berry such as EV-lowering Berries everytime the player enters the Hall of Fame post-game.
• Pokémon Marts will give away Premier Balls with every purchase of 10 Poké Balls or more in a single transaction post-game.
• Volt Tackle can now be learned by breeding within the Pikachu family holding a Light Ball.
• Flame Body and Magma Armor Abilities will now reduce Egg cycles by half.
• The Celadon Mansion will now be referred to as the Celadon Condominiums or Condominiums.

Changelog for Unofficial Throwback v180715: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B8NwbZIkRQl8R1laRzN4NGpzYzg/view

 

[evanbagas2]

Maybe a silly request, but can you decap the start menu? because i think it's inconsistent with the other thing because they already decapitalized except the start menu

 

[Chronosplit]

RE Bird type: I actually thought that was a localization thing meant to reference Missingno's typing.

 

[SyngthaSuyeon]

It's a minor thing to ask, but is there a patch for the earlier title screen with both Venusaur and Charizard? It just fit so well to have both since you can get mons that were exclusive to the vanilla games in this one hack.