Prism League Discussion (Previously "Our own Pokemon X/Y League")

[champagnepapi]

Beat enigma in qualifier
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/pokecommunity-ou-100106

got a bit lucky though

 

[Polar Spectrum]

I just joined so hello everyone I would like to take part it sounds interesting.
Can someone let me know how I start Elnoor 1306-5577-0025


Yes I want to battle elnoor 1306-5577-0025

Woo - welcome aboard mate, glad to have ya. ^^ To start right now, just begin challenging as many other Trainers on the X/Y section of the list on top of page 9 in the 3DS / XY section as you can, and post the results (with a battle video) here. We haven't started the league yet - since we're still deliberating who gets which spots (ie; gym leaders, elites, and champion.) That will be wrapped up by Thursday or so this week however - so hurry and get your qualifying matches in! Good luck too. :3

I've felt like crap all evening. Sorry, not doing much of anything in the game, and battling me in my present state would be a wipeout...and not because of a weak team.

Aw, sorry to hear that mate. Hope you feel better. : , If you wanna practice / warm up by the way - I'm totally available for just tryin' stuff out.

enigmα.'s qualifier battle record - will update regularly

• https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/pokecommunity-ou-100106lost against antebellum, thanks tyranitar :x - replay

Nice, updated the group one with that too.

Edit: Ayyyy, Antebellum - are you sticking with Showdown by the way?

 

[Blueboi22]

ok just tell me when you are ready... and quote on this reply so i know you are ready. Just send your fc and ign to me on a private message. MY FC is in my signature and IGN is jr

You still up for a battle?

 

[TGM]

Seems like I have more people to battle.

Well if anyone wants to battle me today, I'll be available for the rest of the day I think.

Otherwise I'll probably contact you for a battle tomorrow.

 

[Polar Spectrum]

I'm going out hunting for those last few. Screw waiting for people to contact me, I'm gon' find them. And battle them. For all the marbles.

Or just for qualifiers or fun. One of those. Anywho Thursday. We callin' it.

These battles aside; we have some pretty important other things to get straight before the league launches. First and foremost I think, we need to decide if Gym Leaders teams will be monotyped.

I am STRONNNNGLY for at least the first 4/8 gym leaders teams, being ALL at least part of the type that leader specializes in.

Just about every type has pokemon that possess a dual typing that takes away any individual weakness of the original type. Even grass, has pokemon that aren't weak to fire (Ludicolo, Cradily) Poison, (Vileplume, Torterra) Flying, (Mow Rotom, Ferrothorn,) Ice, (Abomasnow, Ludicolor or Ferrothorn again) and Bug, (Trevenant, Gourgeist, Breloom, Chesnaught). And the same goes for STAB coverage; anything that resists your type, you probably have a pokemon within that typing that has a coverage move or secondary stab JUST for that. I do not think, given the skill of the leaders - especially since we're going through the trouble of having them all battle to determine who's the best right off the bat - that any leader will be 'too easy' to overcome just because they have a monotyped team. Yes, it's a small disadvantage. BUT - the challengers face an even bigger challenge, of going against several different montyped teams, followed by the champion with his /her skill level and whatever competitive team they choose, with only the same six pokemon! That's a huge restraint, that should more than test people. And we can't really TRY and make this impossible or too hard anyways, since we're already putting some of the best who're willing to participate in this, as the league members. AND - and, if we give flex pokemon to every leader in the league, ESPECIALLY if it's a full 2 or 3, can you imagine how many duplicate pokemon are going to be on different leaders teams?? I would be very sad to see the entire 8 gym leaders only have 3 pokemon of their gyms type apeice; then a Talonflame, Greninja, and Aegislash. That'd just be, just ridiculous.

Anywho. Essay over with. That's how I feel, if I'm in the minority here I'll just deal with it lol. I'm sure there's a compromise too if anybody wants to meet halfway there or something.

 

[Nah]

I'm for keeping Gym Leaders strictly monotyped. Besides the fact that that's how Gym Leaders have always been, Polar makes a good point that with all the pokes we have now, you have plenty of options for covering your type's weaknesses; its not THAT easy anymore to overpower a certain type based solely on type match-up, but its not like its impossible for the challengers either.

I wouldn't mind though if the Champions don't use monotyped teams. It breaks up the monotony of the monotype teams a bit, and may provide a little extra challenge (the Champions of each league are supposed to be the hardest thing, after all). Or if you want to still hold onto the monotype thing a bit with the Champions, we could still use Antebellum's idea of being half monotype with 2 or 3 pokes that don't match the specified type. It has been done before with Steven, Alder, and Iris.


Oh, and for Showdown people who still need to battle me, I'll be available for battle for the next few hours, so hit me up with a quote or VM or PM when yer ready.

 

[Euphoric]

I thought we talked about this earlier? Anyways, I think 1 or 2 wildcards is the way to go, leaning towards one. 3 is too many, I agree.

However I disagree with you on your second point - I highly doubt everyone's going to pick the same ones (if we have them). First, they might already be on the person's team because of their typing coinciding with what the leader has picked. Also, it's a bad idea to pick stuff just because they're good Pokemon. Since most of your team is going to share some weaknesses, you'll have to pick Pokemon that counteract those, not necessarily the #1 on the ladder.

 

[champagnepapi]

Good points but I still think we should get 1-2 safety nets. I dont think these pokemon will always be greninja or talonflame (since they are both so frail to be safety nets) and it would allow the leaders to play more comfortably in a type disadvantage. The main problem i see with the idea that dual typing covers weakness is that, if ludicolo is your only answer to fire types then they can devote the efforts of 5 pokemon to kill it and then have the fire type sweep.


Also this might be an empty argument but its a lot less fun building your team with the same 6 types, in fact it will lead to more monotony than if we got wildcards. Building with mostly your typed pokes + wildcards is more of a challenge to build the best team, and has a greater reward than full monotype, where you will probably end up with 2 or 3 "best possible builds".

 

[Polar Spectrum]

100% agree. Leaders have always been monotyped, and it's not such a crippling disadvantage - since really if the majority of your team specifically counters any one leader's type, you're likely going to have serious issues with another leader's typing.

And the Champion, nah I don't think they need to be monotyped. They haven't ever before; really. Even Lance had his Aerodactyl 'n stuff.

100% agree. Leaders have always been monotyped, and it's not such a crippling disadvantage - since really if the majority of your team specifically counters any one leader's type, you're likely going to have serious issues with another leader's typing.

And the Champion, nah I don't think they need to be monotyped. They haven't ever before; really. Even Lance had his Aerodactyl 'n stuff.

 

[elnoor]

thanks for the add, i should be able to start battling in 2-3 hours time. anyone who wishes to complete their battles with me, contact me thru showdown or just send me a vm :3

I want to join so please add me Fc is in sig. I will add u. Just let me know when ur ready to battle. thanks

 

[Nah]

Good points but I still think we should get 1-2 safety nets. I dont think these pokemon will always be greninja or talonflame (since they are both so frail to be safety nets) and it would allow the leaders to play more comfortably in a type disadvantage. The main problem i see with the idea that dual typing covers weakness is that, if ludicolo is your only answer to fire types then they can devote the efforts of 5 pokemon to kill it and then have the fire type sweep.


Also this might be an empty argument but its a lot less fun building your team with the same 6 types, in fact it will lead to more monotony than if we got wildcards. Building with mostly your typed pokes + wildcards is more of a challenge to build the best team, and has a greater reward than full monotype, where you will probably end up with 2 or 3 "best possible builds".

That's not a bad argument, and I see your point. I wouldn't be against letting the Gym Leaders have ONE Pokemon of a different type.

I guess the issue is that we don't want to make it too difficult so that no one can even win a single badge; league would die fast because we'd be know as the league that's too tough or something.

 

[Polar Spectrum]

Good points but I still think we should get 1-2 safety nets. I dont think these pokemon will always be greninja or talonflame (since they are both so frail to be safety nets) and it would allow the leaders to play more comfortably in a type disadvantage. The main problem i see with the idea that dual typing covers weakness is that, if ludicolo is your only answer to fire types then they can devote the efforts of 5 pokemon to kill it and then have the fire type sweep.

I feel that sentiment, but truthfully if they devote 5 pokemon on their team to anything in particular, be it one pokemon or a whole type - they'll most likely be unprepared or at a disadvantage for another gym's type. Or even the Champion, who will have a complete team of 6, not bound to any monotyping. I get wanting to have a safety net or failsafe, but with every single person in the league having that, it loses some authenticity I'd think. Even if one leader isn't a challenge due to their specific type alone (which I think every leader will be - since again we're putting fairly decent people in those seats here, and everyone's going to pick their own gym's type) every individual leader isn't supposed to be able to shoot down every single challenger single-handedly, it's no fun for challengers or league members if the people further in the league don't get challengers that make it to them, because nobody ever beats the leaders. I'm not saying it should be easy either, but if it's too hard, and lacks the authenticity of an in game pokemon league, I fear it may not have any participants.

That's not a bad argument, and I see your point. I wouldn't be against letting the Gym Leaders have ONE Pokemon of a different type.

I guess the issue is that we don't want to make it too difficult so that no one can even win a single badge; league would die fast because we'd be know as the league that's too tough or something.

Hah, you kinda ninja'd me with the same thing. That though - is what I'm scared of. I'm reluctant because it seems like straying away from the original concept of a league, and giving the gym leaders advantages beyond what they have normally. I'm gonna try and send out PM's or something though - because if there IS a high demand for like, 1 or 2 flex pokemon per gym leader, we could always try it - and if it doesn't work, correct it later. Goddang I wish someone could change that poll.

I want to join so please add me Fc is in sig. I will add u. Just let me know when ur ready to battle. thanks

I've added you to the Page 9 psuedo-OP. Do you wanna battle right now? I'm available, and I think TGM and Fokko may be as well.

 

[champagnepapi]

I get we might be straying a little but most of the really prominent online leagues in the past had wildcards. If anything, its following a precedent thats been set.

 

[Euphoric]

Also this is more of a nitpick then anything, but didn't Blueboi said he was just doing X/Y? Polar, you should remove him from the Showdown list if that's the case.

 

[Polar Spectrum]

I get we might be straying a little but most of the really prominent online leagues in the past had wildcards. If anything, its following a precedent thats been set.

I actually don't have much experience with online leagues haha. I've only done one other one besides this and it wasn't very successful. The champion only played 2 people then disappeared offline forever. But anywho, I've asked the BTB section moderator to change the poll, to ask if gym leaders should be monotyped. Hopefully that'll give us some insight on the general opinion on this.

Also this is more of a nitpick then anything, but didn't Blueboi said he was just doing X/Y? Polar, you should remove him from the Showdown list if that's the case.

Gotcha, Blueboi is out of the Showdown listings as soon as I finish this post.


Annnnd I have a question. That I obviously can't answer since I"m biased lol. For the qualifiers right now, I just played Elnoor - 2 matches. 1 singles, 1 doubles. I have both recorded, and saved. I can upload them now. Elnoor won the singles, the final move being my last pokemon (Gyarados) getting KO'd by his last pokemon (Darkrai) for his victory. That match went pretty normally, it was really close and I was satisfied afterwards. The doubles match, I won, with a few pokemon left, the final move being my Scrafty drain punching his Scizor after my Medicham used fake out. Buuuut, his Darkrai used Dark Void twice during that match, once while I had a sleeping empoleon before he used it already. I know we didn't really set rules, and since we're one and one right now we're gonna have to do a tiebreaker or something, but is Dark Void illegal? Or, using it while someone's already asleep on the team or something? :x If it's considered fair game for the most part, I'll go into the rematch with it as normal, but if not - especially in doubles, that move is a nightmare. Especially on Darkrai.

 

[TGM]

I actually don't have much experience with online leagues haha. I've only done one other one besides this and it wasn't very successful. The champion only played 2 people then disappeared offline forever. But anywho, I've asked the BTB section moderator to change the poll, to ask if gym leaders should be monotyped. Hopefully that'll give us some insight on the general opinion on this.



Gotcha, Blueboi is out of the Showdown listings as soon as I finish this post.


Annnnd I have a question. That I obviously can't answer since I"m biased lol. For the qualifiers right now, I just played Elnoor - 2 matches. 1 singles, 1 doubles. I have both recorded, and saved. I can upload them now. Elnoor won the singles, the final move being my last pokemon (Gyarados) getting KO'd by his last pokemon (Darkrai) for his victory. That match went pretty normally, it was really close and I was satisfied afterwards. The doubles match, I won, with a few pokemon left, the final move being my Scrafty drain punching his Scizor after my Medicham used fake out. Buuuut, his Darkrai used Dark Void twice during that match, once while I had a sleeping empoleon before he used it already. I know we didn't really set rules, and since we're one and one right now we're gonna have to do a tiebreaker or something, but is Dark Void illegal? Or, using it while someone's already asleep on the team or something? :x If it's considered fair game for the most part, I'll go into the rematch with it as normal, but if not - especially in doubles, that move is a nightmare. Especially on Darkrai.

I'mmm semi-biased as well, but in my personal opinion legendaries shouldn't be allowed in the qualifiers.

Since legendaries aren't allowed for leaders, I don't think it's fair that people can get into leader positions with them. :x

 

[Nah]

Annnnd I have a question. That I obviously can't answer since I"m biased lol. For the qualifiers right now, I just played Elnoor - 2 matches. 1 singles, 1 doubles. I have both recorded, and saved. I can upload them now. Elnoor won the singles, the final move being my last pokemon (Gyarados) getting KO'd by his last pokemon (Darkrai) for his victory. That match went pretty normally, it was really close and I was satisfied afterwards. The doubles match, I won, with a few pokemon left, the final move being my Scrafty drain punching his Scizor after my Medicham used fake out. Buuuut, his Darkrai used Dark Void twice during that match, once while I had a sleeping empoleon before he used it already. I know we didn't really set rules, and since we're one and one right now we're gonna have to do a tiebreaker or something, but is Dark Void illegal? Or, using it while someone's already asleep on the team or something? :x If it's considered fair game for the most part, I'll go into the rematch with it as normal, but if not - especially in doubles, that move is a nightmare. Especially on Darkrai.

Dark Void is illegal in VGC, but not on Smogon/Showdown. Putting more than one Pokemon to sleep at a time on the opponent's team is illegal in Smogon's rules, but I'm not sure about VGC. Darkrai is banned in VGC iirc, and is in Ubers (read: ban tier) on Showdown.

But its not like everyone battles with VGC or Smogon rules either, so.....

 

[Blueboi22]

For me it depends on the legendary. Stuff like Heatran or the Legendary birds are okay with me but once we start getting into cover legendaries, Mewtwo, Darkrai, Giratina, Arceus, ect....then we have a problem. But honestly I'd prefer if we just didn't use legendaries since I'm sure people agree and disagree about which ones should be acceptable and which ones shouldn't

 

[Polar Spectrum]

I don't mean all legends in general (although I'm still hoping nobody's using Yveltal Mewtwo Deoxys and all that business) I just mean specifically, Darkrai with Dark Void using it when the opponent already has sleepin' pokemon. :L Dark Void hits both pokemon in a double battle, and I thought it was illegal just about anywhere - not just smogon - at least on Darkrai if not altogether, because of that.

Edit: Here's the battle vids,

Singles: Elnoor won
YPZW WWWW WWW8 QPYF

Doubles: Polar Spectrum won
6NAG WWWW WWW8 QPYH

Dark Void is illegal in VGC, but not on Smogon/Showdown. Putting more than one Pokemon to sleep at a time on the opponent's team is illegal in Smogon's rules, but I'm not sure about VGC. Darkrai is banned in VGC iirc, and is in Ubers (read: ban tier) on Showdown.

But its not like everyone battles with VGC or Smogon rules either, so.....

Okay, that's what I was looking for. Wasn't sure hahah. I'll erm. Ask politely, if he'd refrain from using Dark Void on Darkrai for the rematch. Or at least to put 2 pokemon to sleep at once, or in the doubles. The pokemon, is fine by me - just, Dark Void in doubles - eesh. 80 accuracy hitting both opponents for 100% sleep effect. Mm mm.

Void the match, darkrai is an op legend and he violated sleep clause which should be essential for all games
No pun intended lol

Void the match
No pun intended lol

I fukkn' lol'd

 

[champagnepapi]

Void the match, darkrai is an op legend and he violated sleep clause which should be essential for all games

No pun intended lol