Prism League Discussion (Previously "Our own Pokemon X/Y League")

Leaders/E4 using Pokemon whose Megas change to a different type, yes or no?

  • Yes

    Votes: 25 75.8%

  • No

    Votes: 8 24.2%
  • Total voters
    33
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Oh boy.....

For those of you who PM'd me about the league, I'll try to address your concerns and whatnot here instead of replying to those PM's.

I agree that some of this has been a big ♥♥♥♥ing mess (the position qualifier battles, really). However, I am really not up for starting over. I do not wanna throw away everything we've done up till this point just so we can please a few people with the battle outcomes. I think part of the problem is that we were expecting that everyone who applied for a league position would be very active and that we all could just do all the battles needed in one or two days and settle the positions all nice and neat. But that didn't happen. I guess it didn't help that we were trying to accommodate everyone's battle preferences and stuff.

I don't understand why it seems some people are confused about the rules. Did I not make them clear in the pseudo-OP thing I made? There were links in there, ya know.

So what I propose to do is to expand the number of positions in each division so we have a full 8 Gym Leaders and 4 Elite members in each division, giving us a total of 16 Gym Leaders (like in Gen 2) and 8 Elite members. That way no one gets cut out of a league position because they didn't know what the hell was going on. Either that or make it so that people can challenge the league and take over a position. As for who's a Gym Leader and who's an Elite, we can fight about that later.

I'd also like to respect Antebellum's wish to not have a pre-set champ.


sharkshocker said:
Hi, I'll try to throw my two cents in about possible details for the league...I've organized a similar league on another forum so I can share my experience and try to help out. :)

  • Rematches: Set up a clear procedure on how to handle rematches so gym leaders don't get flooded with challengers after just beating them.
  • Disconnections: Unfortunate but they happen, so a procedure on how to handle the outcome would be good. It gets kinda iffy when blame gets assigned due to DCs so we worked it out by assigning the win to the gym leader but that persistent DCs will be addressed. We wanted to keep the focus on the challenger and their adventure so we tackled it that way so that every win they get would be significant and not just a result of faulty internet.
  • I'm not sure if it was addressed but what about the idea of having more than 8 gyms? Challengers can still be required to get (a minimum of) 8 badges but more gyms can give them more variety and spreads the burden of maintaining gyms to other members.
  • Lay out the rules for both PS/wifi. Smogon OU has some extra rules (like a limit on Baton Pass and a ban on Swagger) but it might help if the rules between the two formats are kept as similar as possible. I think PS allows you to run battles under your own rules (or no rules) so you can do it that way, but make sure challengers are still following the rules you lay out.
  • Have a private area/forum where those involved in the league can discuss issues. It helps if those participating have a private forum where they can talk about things regarding the league (rules, suggestions, new features, etc.) or just get feedback on their teams. You can also use that private area to monitor challengers' teams and replays to make sure they're sticking to the rules.
  • Replayability: This was an issue that we addressed early on: what is there to do for people after they beat the league? I ended up breaking down the league in periods (or seasons) where a new season would have challengers start again, giving them a time limit as well as something new to do. A new season can also mean a rotation of gym leaders, Elite 4, Champion, and lets you try out new ideas.
  • Be clear about how the gyms are set up. Our league opted to stay pure monotype but allowed gym leaders to change their teams without prior notice, we mentioned that this is to keep challengers on their toes as well as prevent the gym leaders from getting bored. Possible that counter-teaming might get brought up but you guys look like a friendly bunch who just want to set up a fun event for everyone so it shouldn't be a concern ;)
Really awesome you guys are working on this and I'm looking forward to trying it out!
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Thank you very much for your input on this; your experience is very much appreciated. I'll remake the pseudo OP in a little bit and make sure to have your suggestions factor into it.

I am tempted to just force everyone to roll with Smogon OU rules for both divisions, but it's not exactly something I wanna do either. I also don't want to do custom battles on Showdown. That's just more hassle than anything, and I don't even know how to set up a custom battle. I don't think that its physically possible for us to have a private section for league members to discuss things about the league.
 
I think a league should have 12 people in it anyway, as you stated. :) 8 leaders, 4 elite. It would give more of a feel of the game than half a league. And it gives the four strongest competitors a chance to have that elite status (which they surely deserve). I still think the entire lead-up to today was a mess and, with some people not being as active or only here one or two days for short periods of time, it really hurt the chances for everyone to get a fair shot at bolstering their standings; I know I had two people who wanted to battle me and I didn't see them since, for instance.

There is one possible "glitch". Looking at the OP, do we have 12 people? If we need to fill slots, I suggest allow newcoming people to have a couple of battles to help rank them.

Zekrom said:
I am tempted to just force everyone to roll with Smogon OU rules for both divisions, but it's not exactly something I wanna do either. I also don't want to do custom battles on Showdown. That's just more hassle than anything, and I don't even know how to set up a custom battle. I don't think that its physically possible for us to have a private section for league members to discuss things about the league.
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I never understood why people use Showdown. I mean, just bring up the real Pokémon on the games, don't create them on the fly and then do battle. I'm good with having a list of banned Pokémon, but we should make our own; for instance, I didn't see Zygarde banned, and it's a legendary! As for a private forum: why not? I know you can't do it yourself as a moderator, but surely an admin. can create a private league forum. It's just like creating forums for the GT11 that took place recently, or the hidden staff forum that most of us don't see. It's "physically possible"; the question is whether they'll actually accommodate that. If not, we have to roll with that.
 
Cyclone said:
I think a league should have 12 people in it anyway, as you stated. :) 8 leaders, 4 elite. It would give more of a feel of the game than half a league. And it gives the four strongest competitors a chance to have that elite status (which they surely deserve). I still think the entire lead-up to today was a mess and, with some people not being as active or only here one or two days for short periods of time, it really hurt the chances for everyone to get a fair shot at bolstering their standings; I know I had two people who wanted to battle me and I didn't see them since, for instance.

There is one possible "glitch". Looking at the OP, do we have 12 people? If we need to fill slots, I suggest allow newcoming people to have a couple of battles to help rank them.
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I can't find Polar's list of all the people who applied for positions, but I believe we have enough people for 12. Probably not for 20 though, if we go with the idea of both divisions having 8 Leaders and 4 Elites.


I never understood why people use Showdown. I mean, just bring up the real Pokémon on the games, don't create them on the fly and then do battle.
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There's several reason as to why some people prefer showdown to cartridges. There's no hassle trying to get Friend Codes (especially with the limited space in the Friend's List) and/or hoping your 3DS will connect to the internet. Then there's the fact that its far easier to make a team on Showdown than in-game. Yes, breeding has become much easier in X/Y, but that's only if you have that right stuff. Not everyone has a 6IV Ditto. Nor does everyone have the patience to breed for 5 or 6 IV 'mons with the right nature, ability, and egg moves. Not to mention that there's several very useful competitive moves that are only available from Black 2/White 2 or events (such as Knock Off from B2/W2 move tutors, or V-Create on Rayqauza). On Showdown, you can make a good team with perfect IVs and all the right moves, abilities, etc within minutes. Replays are also a bit easier to deal with on Showdown than with cartridges. Then there's also the fact that many people do not get a warm fuzzy feeling from breeding their own Pokemon. That's something I see a lot of people who advocate cartridges and/or argue against battle sims say. That they feel proud for putting in the time the breed and train their team, and presume that everyone (should) feel the same way. Not everyone gets the jollies outta hard work.

I'm good with having a list of banned Pokémon, but we should make our own; for instance, I didn't see Zygarde banned, and it's a legendary!
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This is another common thought I see in people. Not all legendaries are overpowered, cheap win Pokemon. You cannot tell me that Articuno or Mesprit is OP. Yes, almost all of the Pokemon in the Uber tier are legendaries, but that doesn't mean that legendary=broken. Because by that logic, Mega Gengar clearly is not broken/OP.

As for a private forum: why not? I know you can't do it yourself as a moderator, but surely an admin. can create a private league forum. It's just like creating forums for the GT11 that took place recently, or the hidden staff forum that most of us don't see. It's "physically possible"; the question is whether they'll actually accommodate that. If not, we have to roll with that.
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Yes, you're right, they could create a separate section for the league discussions, but I doubt that they would. I don't get the feeling that they'd want to create a whole new section for one or two leagues to have a private discussion, especially if you want to restrict access to just the league members and staff. As far as I know, it'd be easier for them to allow access based on usergroup, but we have a mix of regular members, supporters, and staff members as part of the league. Not to mention that this league isn't even PC's official battling league and that the admin team is rather busy and half of them don't log on much.
 
Zekrom said:
We could do that, but what about the people who can't get on the battle server? Or is everyone at least capable of getting on the battle server?

And Zygarde's not THAT bad.
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Well I think it could accomodate most of the league, it'd suck to have to exclude a few people who cant access the sim at all, but it might be better than nothing. And yeah Zygarde is pretty good, just not enough to warrant a ban x)
 
Antebellum said:
Well I think it could accomodate most of the league, it'd suck to have to exclude a few people who cant access the sim at all, but it might be better than nothing. And yeah Zygarde is pretty good, just not enough to warrant a ban x)
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That said, if someone were to be swept by a Zygarde, there would be complaints. We should move to ban all legendaries.
 
Idk if you guys still need some people but I remade an ccount on here and would be interested in whatever ya got for me...
 
Cyclone said:
That said, if someone were to be swept by a Zygarde, there would be complaints. We should move to ban all legendaries.
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People would complain if they got swept by a Pidgey. It's better to keep the ban list as is, since it's more or less mandatory on the Showdown half (I'm not screwing with custom battles) and we should have a consistent ban list between the divisions.

I'm gonna edit the pseudo-OP now and see what everyone thinks after I re-post it.

@MegaSeeker: Depending on what we decide, we may or may not need another league member.
 
Zekrom said:
People would complain if they got swept by a Pidgey.
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I LOLed. But seriously, if you get swept by a Pidgey, or even a Metapod, you're in the wrong venue.

Zekrom said:
It's better to keep the ban list as is, since it's more or less mandatory on the Showdown half (I'm not screwing with custom battles) and we should have a consistent ban list between the divisions.
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I realize they banned MEga Kangaskhan and Mega Gengar as well, for known reasons. They are ridiculous. Though I plan to abuse one in the Maison...

Zekrom said:
I'm gonna edit the pseudo-OP now and see what everyone thinks after I re-post it.
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Standing by.

Zekrom said:
@MegaSeeker: Depending on what we decide, we may or may not need another league member.
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I'd be happy to give him a qualifying battle.
 
MegaSeeker said:
Idk if you guys still need some people but I remade an ccount on here and would be interested in whatever ya got for me...
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Welcome to the forums man. It's unclear right now whether there are open leader/e4 spots but you're always free to join as a challenger regardless haha
 
Welcome to the [insert name of league here]!​

[insert some introductory ♥♥♥♥ here because I suck at writing introductions in papers]. The unique thing about this league is that it is divided into a Pokemon Showdown division and a 3DS/cartridge division! There are 4 (or 8) Gym Leaders, 2 (or 4) Elite Members, and 1 Champion in each division. Not only that, but the league members (except the Champions) utilize two types instead of one! Do you think that you have what it takes to conquer the league and become the Champion? But before you challenge us, there are some rules you need to follow:

League Rules:​
-Challengers must only use one team when taking on the league; no switching teams before each battle; otherwise people will just use teams that have an advantage against the league member they're about to face.

-You do not have to defeat all of the Gym Leaders and all of the Elite members in order to battle a Champion; just 4 (or 8) Leaders and 2 (or 4) Elites will suffice. However, you must defeat all the ones in the same division. You are welcome to challenge both divisions if you like, and can challenge the Leaders in any order.

-The battle format for the Showdown division is Smogon X/Y OU. The format for the 3DS division is 6v6, and the battle type (Singles, Doubles, etc) is determined by the league member you are facing.

-All Pokemon on this list are banned from both divisions. Any challengers who use these Pokemon will be disqualified.

-The rules for the Showdown division can be found here.

-All battles in the Showdown division will take place on PC's battle server.

-Dark Void is banned in Double battles in the 3DS division.

-Please save all battle videos/Showdown replays and post them here so we can confirm your victory.

-If you lose, you must wait until the next day to challenge that Leader/Elite/Champion. This is so we aren't flooded with rematches.

-In the event of a disconnect, attempt to battle again, unless it is very clear who the winner was. If it appears to be a tie, flip a coin.

-Follow all the rules of the PokeCommunity.

Now that that's out of the way, here are the current League members:

League Members​

3DS Division:
-Champion: Become the Champion!

-Elite Member: [insert name, types, and singles/doubles]
-Elite Member: [insert name, types, and singles/doubles]

-Gym Leader: [insert name, types, and singles/doubles]
-Gym Leader: [insert name, types, and singles/doubles]
-Gym Leader: [insert name, types, and singles/doubles]
-Gym Leader: [insert name, types, and singles/doubles]

Pokemon Showdown Division:

-Champion: Become the Champion!

-Elite Member: [insert name, types]
-Elite Member: [insert name, types]

-Gym Leader: [insert name, types]
-Gym Leader: [insert name, types]
-Gym Leader: [insert name, types]
-Gym Leader: [insert name, types]

Note that league members who are inactive for more than 3 weeks may be dropped from the roster. You can fill their position if there is an empty slot available ad have the approval of the league's creators.

If you have any questions, comments, concerns, or a colorblind slice of loaf, please contact the league's creators, Polar Spectrum and AdamEternal, or one of the Battling and Team Building moderators, wolf and Zeffy.

Sign Up Form:
PokeCommunity Username:
Divisions challenging: (3DS, Showdown, or both)
Friend Code and/or battle server name:
Team being used: (just the names of the Pokemon)

Ok, so that's not a hell of a lot different from the last one, but here ya go.
There's a few important things I want us to discuss now:
-What is going to be the league's name?
-Are we going with 8GL/4E per division, or 4GL/2E per division?
-Is everyone ok with the rules I have outlined here? Do there need to be more or less? Any rules that need to be fixed or re-phrased?
-And who is in what position?
 
Smeargle can Sketch that? I need to find someone with a Darkrai and get that taught, stat. Useful in horde encounters to an extent (though my Audino can stand up to most long enough to "entrain" them).

EDIT: Or I can just use one that I already have...yeah...
 
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