Prism League Discussion (Previously "Our own Pokemon X/Y League")

Leaders/E4 using Pokemon whose Megas change to a different type, yes or no?

  • Yes

    Votes: 25 75.8%

  • No

    Votes: 8 24.2%
  • Total voters
    33
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Ok, so there's another thing we need to work out: https://www.pokecommunity.com/threads/334179/page-25

It seems that Exile used a Mega Gyarados on his team during his battles with a few people. Now the question is, do we let gym leaders/E4 use Megas whose base forms are one of their types but the mega evolution isn't? Enigma did link to an earlier post in this thread where apparently TGM and Polar decided no, but I figured we might as well bring it up again anyway.

What do you all think?
 
It seems like arguing over semantics imo.

Personally id allow them because he starts with Gyarados whom is a water/flying. Mega evolution is basically a battle mechanic and hold item. (Relic Song on Meloetta too in a similar vein)


Its not like using Rotom formes or Wormadam formes which START the battle with a different typing.


It also adds some diversity to gym teams which are hard to built to start with anyway due to the restrictions i presume and will present more of a challenge to people wanting to challenge.
 
If it does not retain a type of the gym it is a part of, then no. Their are enough Pokémon with megas that can be used instead. Especially for a steel/flying gym.
 
I would give his argument a no. The reason is Gyarados primary type is not flying but Water. I believe he was never consider as a flying type anyways. We should start choosing Pokemon that goes with their primary types. The only reason is primary types does not change at all when they evolve (like Syther and Scizor, they both remain bug type). That's why when I say rotom forms should be allow because their main type still electric while their side type changes. The only exception I can see to be allow will be dark or ghost or fairy because there are not a lot of Pokemon with that type even if they mega-evo they still remain fairy, dark or ghost.

It will be really unfair for the the challenger that a Dragon/Fighting GYM leader use a Charizard, in which he mega evolve and turns fire/dragon. :C but you never know if the leader will use Charizard X or Y.

That's only my opinion ~ However, I will say I will let Exile pass for now. Next time, he shouldn't do it again. He can keep Gyarados since he is after all Flying type as secondary, just he cannot evolve it. that's all
 
also can i change formes of mons on my team?
i want to change lando-t to lando etc
i am in this respect, a challenger
 
Krystia said:
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I would give his argument a no. The reason is Gyarados primary type is not flying but Water. I believe he was never consider as a flying type anyways. We should start choosing Pokemon that goes with their primary types. The only reason is primary types does not change at all when they evolve (like Syther and Scizor, they both remain bug type).
i dont understand why u would say primary type and how it would influence it not benig a flying type.
 That's why when I say rotom forms should be allow because their main type still electric while their side type changes.
the concept of main and secondary type is weird, i mean its not like its specified right? i would give say rotom wash is used cause its water and say its more useful thatway, wont it become a main type for me?
The only exception I can see to be allow will be dark or ghost or fairy because there are not a lot of Pokemon with that type even if they mega-evo they still remain fairy, dark or ghost.

It will be really unfair for the the challenger that a Dragon/Fighting GYM leader use a Charizard, in which he mega evolve and turns fire/dragon. :C but you never know if the leader will use Charizard X or Y.

That's only my opinion ~ However, I will say I will let Exile pass for now. Next time, he shouldn't do it again. He can keep Gyarados since he is after all Flying type as secondary, just he cannot evolve it. that's all
the fact that mega gyarados can be used in monotype battles makes the point of gyarados cant be evolved in a flying/steal team redundant. for me i would allow the mega evolution, since its after all an effect of the held item and if u dont allow it then u would have to remove items all together.
 
srinator said:
also can i change formes of mons on my team?
i want to change lando-t to lando etc
i am in this respect, a challenger
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I think that we came to an agreement that that's ok. It's not as if you have to worry about that as a gym leader though.

Krystia said:
We should start choosing Pokemon that goes with their primary types.
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Yeah no. It's pretty restrictive already just going with just 2 types, if you limit it to Pokemon whose primary type is one of the 2 types, some of us are gonna have really slim pickings. It's no so bad if you have Water or Normal as a types, since those have more Pokemon than any other type in the game. But if you're a Ghost type or a Fairy type person, you're limited options are limited even further due to the small number of pokes with those types in general.

But as for where I stand on this matter: IDK. I'm not really sure what we should do here.

And it seems we're currently split on this issue, so we can't pull a majority vote yet. So let's continue to discuss this.
 
If we make a poll im going to link to this in it

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/

I believe he was never consider as a flying type anyways.
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^ :/

It will be really unfair for the the challenger that a Dragon/Fighting GYM leader use a Charizard, in which he mega evolve and turns fire/dragon. :C but you never know if the leader will use Charizard X or Y.
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That doesnt even make sense. If the leader is dragon....then it will be Zard-X. :/
 
I wish someone quoted me so i could see this. I agree with dark azelf and his argument; gyarados is a flying type, and starting the battle i had 3 flyers on my team, one of which i mega evolved for a power boost, but the pokemon is still a gyarados, which is originally part flying

If you disagree with this then the opposite would inherently be true - that gyarados holding its megastone could only be used on water or dark teams, then a dark leader would be breaking the rules because he wouldnt start out with 3 dark types and youre making gyarados near impossible to use other than on water gyms.

Krystia said:
It will be really unfair for the the challenger that a Dragon/Fighting GYM leader use a Charizard, in which he mega evolve and turns fire/dragon. :C but you never know if the leader will use Charizard X or Y.
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Thats the opposite of what i did with gyara, but anyways he couldnt use a char y since it never becomes fighting or dragon type
 
Sorry I've been kinda vapid, Destiny and School too good. BIG thanks to whomever has been keeping the OP in the challenge thread up to date sooo so much - it would be way behind right now if not for that.

Exile said:
I was sick all week but I'm going to try and get more things done [I had about 7 banners done last sunday]. I understand this is important to the league's promotion and growth so I'll try and plan my time to work efficiently
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Ay no rush, however much you do, it's probably still faster than the badges are going lol

Dark Azelf said:
It seems like arguing over semantics imo.

Personally id allow them because he starts with Gyarados whom is a water/flying. Mega evolution is basically a battle mechanic and hold item. (Relic Song on Meloetta too in a similar vein)


Its not like using Rotom formes or Wormadam formes which START the battle with a different typing.


It also adds some diversity to gym teams which are hard to built to start with anyway due to the restrictions i presume and will present more of a challenge to people wanting to challenge.
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Tried to catch up on all that's been said on this so far in both threads so far - ummm. It brings up some really precarious questions. I thought we had all previously agreed on the fact that the base form and mega had to have at least one type in common with your gym, since both A) No mega changes both its types completely upon mega evolving, meaning no mega would have a gym it couldn't be used in, and no gym without a mega to use - and B) since mega evolving occurs before anything else on a turn, a pokemon that sheds its typing that allows it to be used in a gym (ie; Aggron evolving into Mega Aggron in a Rock / Grass gym) means that it was essentially never in battle as a rock pokemon, since there was no turn it had a rock typing, bar a switch in *before* it mega evolves.

BUUUUUT, if our previous discussion's result (and there was one - but it's like, a million pages back and lolhellno I'm not sifting through for that right now) has fallen out of favor, by all means - yeah, lets vote on / discuss that again. If more people want megas in gyms that don't share a type with one form and not the other than people who don't, we'll do it that way.

Leeeeet's be wary though, this sort of issue has a lotta potentially related scenarios based on either way we go with it. Like can Mega Ampharos be used in a dragon gym?
 
I'll just put my opinion on this Mega Gyarados thing. This would apply for all GL/E4 form-changes.

If a Pokemon starts out as the correct typing, it is allowed. It can not, however, change into any form that does not fit the typing.

As soon as the Pokemon with the correct Mega Stone is thrown out, it will be mega evolved right away, so I don't see it being any different from throwing out any other Pokemon. Plus, gotta stay loyal to those typings.
 
Ultraviolence said:
Then we should ban Protean Greninja from being used by leaders. Similar principle.
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That's not a form change though, that's just a volatile in battle type change. Camouflage, Reflect type, and the ability Color Change all work on the same principle.

Volatile (non permanent, removed upon switching out) things aren't so much of an issue as things like Megas, which once they evolve, are permanently (for the rest of the battle, and irreversibly) an altered type, which may not fit onto that gym's typing combination. Mega evolving also has the benefit of not being able to be stopped, and occurring before anything else can happen by any means.
 
I actually going to let it go :V. There aren't actually a pure flying type with the only exception of Tornadus. There is only one pokemon that its main (primary type) is flying (noibat) Most pokemon have flying type as a secondary type.

I believe in a monotype pokemon battle, if you are water gym leader using mega-gyarados is totally okay, because he is, after all, water type as his primary type. If a dark type using Gyarados is weird isn't? that's how I see it. However, I just remember that Winona had a Dragonair

I would like gym leader just to stick with their pokemon main type. However, megastone we can call them special items :C because you can't steal, take, trick or switcheroo it !
 
Zekrom said:
Zeffy changed the poll (it seems that poll titles can only be so long though, but y'all know what it's for anyway), so cast your votes people!
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We can't vote yet. It has to be fully unlock for us. However, there are three pokemon that has that option, charizard, gyarados and aggron. (this does not include oras)
 
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