Prism League Discussion (Previously "Our own Pokemon X/Y League")

Leaders/E4 using Pokemon whose Megas change to a different type, yes or no?

  • Yes

    Votes: 25 75.8%

  • No

    Votes: 8 24.2%
  • Total voters
    33
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I reset the poll, so obviously all votes would be deleted. For some odd reason though, the votes from the previous poll carries over. I honestly have no idea what causes this. If you guys still want to do the poll, I'd be happy to manually edit your votes in until I figure out what the hell is wrong.

EDIT: So I've deleted the previous poll and added the new one. Technically speaking, this should fix the problem. If the problem still persist, please notify me. Cheers!

EDIT2: If I may interject, I do think it should be allowed. I mean, even Smogon's Monotype rules allow it. They just consider the base type of said Pokemon. Sadly, this means that the type of said Pokemon's Mega is completely disregarded, but that's not a problem in any case. You can only have one Mega per team anyway--consider it as a special wildcard, so to speak. To quote,
fat Smogon said:
Finally, with our new Mega Evolutons of XY, you'll find some of them change their typing upon Mega Evolving. When using a Mega Evo that changes its typing, you must base its spot on your team on its regular form's typing. What this means is that you can use Mega Charizard X on a Mono-Flying team, but you may not use it on a Mono-Dragon team. Similarly, Mega Aggron can be used on either Mono-Steel or Mono-Rock teams despite losing its Rock typing upon Mega Evolving.
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i apologize for starting this "mega type change" debate, was just referring to tgm's old post regarding this issue. but after going though everyone's posts, i must agree with elf and smogon's monotype rules.
 
The notion that "a mega will evolve right away change type" is iffy; i use gyarados's flying type resistance all the time to set up on things like fighting types, bug types, etc and mega evolve after a dd or even later in the game when i need a power boost.
 
Heh yer fine enigma - better we be clear about it than hazy and disorganized going forwards - good discussion anywho

I agree that leaders should be allowed megas, (don't know why that was a question, probably miscommunication) I agree that Leaders should be allowed megas from either of their types, and that either type could be applied to a pokemon's primary or secondary type. But I still feel that at least one of the normal form and mega form's types should match at least one of the gym's types. Yes, it would restrict something like Gyarados to only a water gym - buuuut, we have two types per leader, which gives annnny leader a pretty fair amount of options on a mega, and we have multiple leaders of just about every type, bar 3 to 5, meaning any mega could make multiple appearances, even in the case of something like Gyarados, which only has 1 type in common before and after mega.

Beyond that, if Mega Gyarados is allowed as a water / dark type (this is recognizing mega gyarados as a separate pokemon than normal gyarados, which it has to be) on a Flying type team, do we then still not allow Mega Gyarados as a water/dark type on a dark type team?

Exile said:
The notion that "a mega will evolve right away change type" is iffy; i use gyarados's flying type resistance all the time to set up on things like fighting types, bug types, etc and mega evolve after a dd or even later in the game when i need a power boost.
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Okay, fair point- it can be before it mega evolves, and on a switch in, *is* a flying type. I get that in that situation. Just as much as you would use its flying typing however, someone else could not use it (or another mega's type pre/post change), leading with gyarados / any other mega this applies to, and mega evolving right away. So then the issue would be, do we have to make some sort of rule about megas specifically for typing in battle, mandating that the type they have be used somehow. And that, gets into territory I would consider too tedious to regulate, and too blurry to enforce.

Say for example someone with a flying / water gym has a Charizard on their elite team. It's flying to begin with, so that's allowed. But if they lead with it, and mega evolves it into Mega Charizard X, it is no part flying, and essentially never was, including future switch ins.
 
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Just use smogons rule for it, its easy enough to follow, no confusion and Zeffy already posted it.

Originally Posted by fat Smogon
Finally, with our new Mega Evolutons of XY, you'll find some of them change their typing upon Mega Evolving. When using a Mega Evo that changes its typing, you must base its spot on your team on its regular form's typing. What this means is that you can use Mega Charizard X on a Mono-Flying team, but you may not use it on a Mono-Dragon team. Similarly, Mega Aggron can be used on either Mono-Steel or Mono-Rock teams despite losing its Rock typing upon Mega Evolving.
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Say for example someone with a flying / water gym has a Charizard on their elite team. It's flying to begin with, so that's allowed. But if they lead with it, and mega evolves it into Mega Charizard X, it is no part flying, and essentially never was, including future switch ins.
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The bolded is kinda irrelevant. Its already been in battle as a flying type. If its leading, turn 1 or turn 1001 its still been a flying type to begin with.

In a nutshell, Charizard HAS to be part flying at some point during the match no matter how brief.
 
Dark Azelf said:
The bolded is kinda irrelevant. Its already been in battle as a flying type. If its leading, turn 1 or turn 1001 its still been a flying type to begin with.

In a nutshell, Charizard HAS to be part flying at some point during the match no matter how brief.
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It's relevant in that if you lead with Charizard and mega evolve first turn, there is no opponent's attack priority or not, entry hazard, status move, STAB it will use, or any other situation or event in that battle, where Charizard would have a Flying typing. It could then be switched out and brought back in without that flying typing for the remainder too, meaning like I said, the pokemon in that slot essentially never was a flying type. It's different from it mega evolving later, because it has to come in to battle, on a turn where the opponent is already making a move *before* it can mega evolve, therefore something like stealth rocks, spikes, an electric type attack, WOULD be applied to it, as a flying type. Again as I said before though, regulating something as minute as making sure a typing gets used somehow before mega evolution occurs, seems to me too minute and tedious.


Also again - tis Monday, so I will be busy and without Wifi for almost the entire day, not gonna be home til like, 11 o clock. :c May be able to make short posts with terrible auto correct typos from muh phone
 
Polar Spectrum said:
Again as I said before though, regulating something as minute as making sure a typing gets used somehow before mega evolution occurs, seems to me too minute and tedious.
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This already regulates itself though lol. Simply by sending it into battle as i said irrelevant of leading or turn 9000, zard at some point HAS to be flying and the fact that its simply present make it so it has been "used" as a flying type no matter how brief its been in the battle.

Sure, its changed type but its the same pokemon, it shares the same pokedex number and doesnt start the battle with that typing and as i said must have its original typing at some point during the battle. Its not like using Rotom-W on a mono ghost team an saying "well gee it was a Rotom-N once" when its a totally different forme and starts and finishes the battle as water/electric lol. Unlike Charizard.
 
How long should it be before we make the decision? I was thinking we wait until the end of the day (end of the day by me anyway), let the stragglers come in and say something and cast a vote. Don't really wanna wait longer than that though.

Mid, you know you love Bulk Up Talonflame =p
 
bulk up talonflame is the bane of my existence, only beat it once, but i got lucky (crit hax) :p

on a side note, i might challenge the league soon xD bbl after finishing a team w playtesting and bulk up talon counter(s) and stuff

1 am...

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I feel really bad giving my opinion on something that shouldn't continue, but I really gotta give my opinion. (Also, I gotta get into the habit of checking up more often. :P)

Northstar said:
no, you're right, it's not a form change. But based on Adam's post, it still violates a rule. It's coming out as Water/Dark and can flow between types. Ok, yes, it's not permanent. But there's still a type change away from the gym's types.
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For some reason, Protean Greninjas don't bother me. Idk why. It should. :/

Zeffy said:
If I may interject, I do think it should be allowed. I mean, even Smogon's Monotype rules allow it. They just consider the base type of said Pokemon. Sadly, this means that the type of said Pokemon's Mega is completely disregarded, but that's not a problem in any case. You can only have one Mega per team anyway--consider it as a special wildcard, so to speak. To quote,

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Oh, well Smogon win's every battle. I still say that I don't approve, but Smogon says it's okay.
 
Dark Azelf said:
This already regulates itself though lol. Simply by sending it into battle as i said irrelevant of leading or turn 9000, zard at some point HAS to be flying and the fact that its simply present make it so it has been "used" as a flying type no matter how brief its been in the battle.

Sure, its changed type but its the same pokemon, it shares the same pokedex number and doesnt start the battle with that typing and as i said must have its original typing at some point during the battle. Its not like using Rotom-W on a mono ghost team an saying "well gee it was a Rotom-N once" when its a totally different forme and starts and finishes the battle as water/electric lol. Unlike Charizard.
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Agree entirely. Charizard is a fire/flying type that has the ability to mega evolve, during which it loses its flying type, but it is still a charizard, and it originally enters battle as fire/flying
 
Btw, change of subject, but what about our logo? We still need a logo, so maybe we can come up with rough designs for the logo?
 
halcyonic said:
bulk up talonflame is the bane of my existence, only beat it once, but i got lucky (crit hax) :p

on a side note, i might challenge the league soon xD bbl after finishing a team w playtesting and bulk up talon counter(s) and stuff

1 am...

zzz
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o i know how u love it, u cant live without it! ;)
buflame4god
 
Dark Azelf said:
This already regulates itself though lol. Simply by sending it into battle as i said irrelevant of leading or turn 9000, zard at some point HAS to be flying and the fact that its simply present make it so it has been "used" as a flying type no matter how brief its been in the battle.

Sure, its changed type but its the same pokemon, it shares the same pokedex number and doesnt start the battle with that typing and as i said must have its original typing at some point during the battle. Its not like using Rotom-W on a mono ghost team an saying "well gee it was a Rotom-N once" when its a totally different forme and starts and finishes the battle as water/electric lol. Unlike Charizard.
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Ummm, okay hangon I may be miscommunicating what I'm trying to say or missing some aspect of this you guys all see... I don't see how leading and mega evolving instantly can -not- be different than bringing it in mid battle when something like stealth rocks or thunderbolt is a factor. So to further my own understanding of this, I pose the question of what can any Pokemon, or Charizard itself, by any rules, do on the first turn that will be affected by Charizard being a flying type when it comes in at the beginning of that battle, first turn, if it mega evolves on that first turn?
 
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