Revolution control.

[Alistair]

Actually, Virtual Boy did go somewhere. It was one of the systems that brough 3D gaming into the gaming world. (Along with the Master System)

 

[John Denver]

Along with getting almost no sells at all...it sold so poorly (Gunpei Yokoi) lost his job! GEEZ!

 

[Alistair]

I didn't neccessarily say it went in all good directions.

 

[Swizzler121]

Offtopic: @Dakota-If you hate the controller so much, Why do you keep coming back?
On: I now present the advantages for my case from an interview with Jim Merrick - the man responsible for the company's European marketing.

So presumably the controller will be compatible with all TVs?

It works with any kind of television set - it doesn't matter if it's LCD, plasma, projector or CRT.

(While the other systems "Best grapics" only work with HD :dead: )

And the gamer won't have to sit in the same position every time they're playing a title that uses the motion-sensing function?

Absolutely not - the relative angle in front of the sensor bar is about the same as the viewing angle of the TV. So if you can see the TV, the controller is going to work.

(To answer those comments about "uncomforatable gaming")

How do you envisage people using the freehand controller - will it be a true one-handed device given the position of the d-pad and A button?

The problem is that in the past we spent years trying to figure out how to move forward, back and side-to-side using our thumbs. Now, I move the whole controller. If I want to bank my aeroplane - I bank the controller. Suddenly I don't need all the buttons that I needed before to approximate what I want to do - I simply do it. It's much more intuitive. I point just by pointing my hand at the screen. The problem with the analogue is that you're always trying to move it in an analogue fashion, not just slam it up against the edge. This is much more natural.

(Answers the comment about it being "difficult" to use)

(And for those of you that still don't like the current design, Read below)

Mr Miyamoto is correct that the design is not 100% final. It is basically complete, but we reserve the right to move buttons and round corners. However, we have not shared everything that there is to know about Revolution or its controller.

So there are still some secrets to be revealed?

C'mon, we're Nintendo - we like to hold things until the very end!

 

[John Denver]

Offtopic: @Dakota-If you hate the controller so much, Why do you keep coming back?

Cause I love being smarter than all of you fanboys O_o duh...

and OMG swizzler finally you posted something worth thought! *high fives* You do have to realize though, that hearing things about the controller from a nintendo represenatative will always be biased towards the controller. Of course they're gonna say things like it's "revolutionary" or it's the "new wave in gaming" or "endless possibilitys."

I still don't like it...I don't hate it but, I don't like it.

Well, the Playstation was an idea of Nintendo's, so the success of the Playstation should be given to Nintendo. Basically, Nintendo is imaginative and creates sturdy hardware and software.

OMG...fanboy, not they didn't. They helped make the disc drive for a system they were going to make, but Nintendo ducked out at the last minute. So Sony decided to make the Playstation.

 

[The S]

I find that many of the members here have obviously never heard of this:

[quote="Wikipedia]An opinion is a person's ideas and thoughts towards something. It is an assessment, judgement or evaluation of something. An opinion is not a fact, because it is not possible to prove (or disprove) an opinion.

For example, I can claim that strawberry is a better tasting flavor of ice cream than vanilla. Someone else might claim that vanilla is a better tasting flavor. (If you disagree with either of these opinions, substitute chocolate, butter pecan, or whichever flavor of ice cream you think tastes better than vanilla, for my use of strawberry.) My claim is an opinion; it is neither true nor false, it is simply a claim which can neither be proven nor disproven. Now, if I claim strawberry is a more popular flavor than vanilla, that is no longer an opinion, it is a fact, which can be proven, (or in this case disproven) by showing another fact, that more vanilla ice cream is sold than strawberry. (The presumption being that people buy ice cream in order to consume it, thus, more purchases of vanilla would indicate vanilla is more popular than strawberry since people would not purchase ice cream simply to throw it away.)

The issue of whether strawberry ice cream tastes better than vanilla ice cream is still, however, arbitrary and nonprovable, and thus remains an opinion (as would the opposite opinion that vanilla ice cream tastes better than strawberry. Note that simply because a particular opinion is more popular still does not make the opposite opinion incorrect or wrong). It would not be permissible for someone else to claim that either opinion on which tastes better is wrong because opinions are still arbitrary and can neither be proven nor disproven. It is permissible to state that one disagrees with the opinion. It is, however permissible to claim that the statement that strawberry is more popular than vanilla is wrong, because it is a claim of a fact, the claim having been contradicted by one or more other facts.

Opinions can either be made up by a person or taken over from another person. Sometimes some people try to force their opinions on others. In general, all people are free to form opinions as they see fit. However, in certain political regimes, it may not be advisable to express certain opinions openly. In economics, philosophy, or other social sciences, analysis based on opinions is referred to as normative analysis (what ought to be), as opposed to positive analysis, which is based on observation (what is). Not all schools of thought find this distinction useful.
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[Allstories]

Cause I love being smarter than all of you fanboys O_o duh...

I don't think Fanboy Fanboy's are any better.

 

[John Denver]

I don't think Fanboy Fanboy's are any better.

I don't get it...O_o...fanboy fanboy's? *confused*

 

[Andrea-chan]

AHHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH that is the worst thing i have ever seen it's ugly it's sick it's wrong.AAAAAGGGGGGHHHHHHHH.how could you how could u.i think i'm gonna be sick.i had hopes for the revolution but after this no way.ps3 all the way.this could fully wipe out nintendo as a games maker. i'm sorry if some of you like it but that is just so ugly.

Wow you're one of them n00bs that just saw the controller and freaked out. And didn't read a lick about what it will be able to do etc. I mean at least Brittany read up on the stuff it can do, all you did was come in here and rant about someone you most likely wasn't going to get from the start.

 

[Pete]

I applaud Nintendo for the DS, that was innovative. But this. It's certainly innovative but I really hate it. TV Remote Controllers. God, Nintendo have been too innovative. This. Is. A. Nightmare. PS3 is now my console choice, despite its SPIDER-MAN THE MOVIE font.

 

[TRIFORCE89]

System 1 Modified
CPU:
1 IBM Custom PowerPC 2.5 GHz with 256 KB L1 cache and 1 MB of L2 cache (an L3 cache is rumored). It?s Dual Threaded

13 billion dot product operations per second

Revolution GPU:

ATI Custom based RN520 core.

GPU core at 600 MHz. Will support up to 2048x1268 resolution, HD support is still being decided. Will have 256 MB?s of 1T-SRAM

32 parallel floating-point dynamically scheduled shader pipelines.

Polygon Performance: 500 million triangles per second theoretical, average in game would be around <100 Million/sec>

Shader Performance: ~50 billion shader operations per second

Revolution memory: 512 MB of 700 MHz 1T-SRAM

Most of that...I don't know what it means. I do see that, according to this rumour the CPU is lowering that that on the PS3 (I don't know about the 360, though). I also found Other bits and pieces Revolution will support a PPU chip (Physical Processing Chip). There will be 32 MB?s of its own RAM, which will link to the CPU and GPU and the Controller. There will also be a separate sound card that will support only DD 5.1 ? DTS 7.1, rumors has it will have 16 MB?s, like the Cube DSP though. Having the PPU *may* make up for the lower CPU.

All speculation though. Just want your thoughts. And hopefulyl you can explain the other numbers to me.

 

[Demon_Slayer]

well i think the revolution controller will blow away the psp and will sell more than the xbox 360 and ps3 i think xbox saw high prices and suddenly started giving away free xbox 360s every 10 min idont think xbox 360 will sell much i think revolution will be the best of next year.

 

[Brittany]

Offtopic: @Dakota-If you hate the controller so much, Why do you keep coming back?
On: I now present the advantages for my case from an interview with Jim Merrick - the man responsible for the company's European marketing.

So presumably the controller will be compatible with all TVs?

It works with any kind of television set - it doesn't matter if it's LCD, plasma, projector or CRT.

(While the other systems "Best grapics" only work with HD :dead: )

And the gamer won't have to sit in the same position every time they're playing a title that uses the motion-sensing function?

Absolutely not - the relative angle in front of the sensor bar is about the same as the viewing angle of the TV. So if you can see the TV, the controller is going to work.

(To answer those comments about "uncomforatable gaming")

How do you envisage people using the freehand controller - will it be a true one-handed device given the position of the d-pad and A button?

The problem is that in the past we spent years trying to figure out how to move forward, back and side-to-side using our thumbs. Now, I move the whole controller. If I want to bank my aeroplane - I bank the controller. Suddenly I don't need all the buttons that I needed before to approximate what I want to do - I simply do it. It's much more intuitive. I point just by pointing my hand at the screen. The problem with the analogue is that you're always trying to move it in an analogue fashion, not just slam it up against the edge. This is much more natural.

(Answers the comment about it being "difficult" to use)

(And for those of you that still don't like the current design, Read below)

Mr Miyamoto is correct that the design is not 100% final. It is basically complete, but we reserve the right to move buttons and round corners. However, we have not shared everything that there is to know about Revolution or its controller.

So there are still some secrets to be revealed?

C'mon, we're Nintendo - we like to hold things until the very end!

Nice that you're presenting the facts, but please do so correctly.

Firstly, about the other system's best graphics only in HD. The fact that the controller was compatible with any monitor doesn't mean it's graphics are better than the other system's when not on HD. What it meant was, the controller doesn't deal with the TV, it deals with the console. Whether or not a shooting game is played on [insert monitor here], doesn't matter, as it will work. It's basically saying that it won't have the compatibility problems of a lightgun.

Secondly, nobody complained about uncomfortable positions because of range or angles from the console/television. It's the fact that controlling the system through a full range of motion isn't just moving your thumb in a circle like it's been for the last few generations. Yeah, it's lazy, but for many gamers, it's uncomfortable, and because a full range of motion requires that you're arms must be ready to move, that means no more comfy couch positions. Just a preferance though.

The third point is similar to the second's. It being hard is just from our perspective, just another preferance.

 

[Chairman Kaga]

Along with getting almost no sells at all...it sold so poorly (Gunpei Yokoi) lost his job! GEEZ!

Not trying to defend the DS or the Revolution here, but in the case of the Virtual Boy, it was indeed an ingenious system that died long before its time...A number of factors like price, miniscule amount of games, health hazards, and technological roadblocks kept it from ever being popular despite the fact that there's evidence of a marketing blitz shortly before its release...I own the edition of Nintendo Power that showcases the possibilities of the Virtual Boy and Nintendo was more than expecting to be in it with this system for the long haul.

I own a Virtual Boy so I know about this firsthand; even among the small number of American games that exist for it (14, I believe), there are a couple of gems including Wario Land, Mario Clash, and 3D Tetris. Most of the other games were mediocre, with things like Waterworld, Virtual League Baseball, and Teleroboxer being complete duds, but if it had held on a little longer things would have turned out amazingly. I know a Virtual Mario Kart, Virtual Donkey Kong, and at least a hundred other titles were in the works, but they never got off the ground thanks to the aforementioned factors.

If wanting quality guaranteed to me without having to buy the system and realizing what a mistake I've made makes me a superficial twit, then I suppose I am.

 

[Swizzler121]

AHHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH that is the worst thing i have ever seen it's ugly it's sick it's wrong.AAAAAGGGGGGHHHHHHHH.how could you how could u.i think i'm gonna be sick.i had hopes for the revolution but after this no way.ps3 all the way.this could fully wipe out nintendo as a games maker. i'm sorry if some of you like it but that is just so ugly.

Man, I really don't like it when these kind of "people" (I don't consider them gamers.) Judge other things based on appearance, It's wrong, you should at least study up on it before you judge it, your the kind of people that start those bais cliques (They call them gangs but...HA!) Seriosly, if you ever want to be a true gamer, Do some work, and evolve from the 'general public.'

-And the gamer won't have to sit in the same position every time they're playing a title that uses the motion-sensing function?-

Absolutely not - the relative angle in front of the sensor bar is about the same as the viewing angle of the TV. So if you can see the TV, the controller is going to work.

Uncomfortable positions, Lightgun problems, If you actually read it, and not just the tag line, you will understand, I have bolded what you are supposed to understand.

 

[Zero ex]

Man, I really don't like it when these kind of "people" (I don't consider them gamers.) Judge other things based on appearance, It's wrong, you should at least study up on it before you judge it, your the kind of people that start those bais cliques (They call them gangs but...HA!) Seriosly, if you ever want to be a true gamer, Do some work, and evolve from the 'general public.'

Man a gamer is someone that likes more than one company game console.In your case you are just a fanboy, NOT A REAL GAMER! You think ps sucks becaus it was created by sony.
Though, i like different types of consoles, I like: Ps, nes, snes, n64, ps2, GC, Gb, GBC, GBA(favorite).



Well, i doubt that the new nintendo revolution controller will be better than the psp. Te psp have a internet browser ( See update 2.00 in www.playstation.com) , you can hear music, and see videos, i usually see naruto here. As i sasid many times, the Revolution controller is a futuristic control, by that i mean that it have things that the other consoles controlers do not have and will never have. It will have been better to have 2 controller versions, the ugly one(the new) and the normal one. So with some games you can use one controller and with other the other one.

Maybe the controller shell will be easy to broke.

 

[Swizzler121]

Man a gamer is someone that likes more than one company game console.In your case you are just a fanboy, NOT A REAL GAMER! Though, i like different types of consoles, I like: Ps, nes, snes, n64, ps2, GC, Gb, GBC, GBA(favorite).



Well, i doubt that the new nintendo revolution controller will be better than the psp. Te psp have a internet browser, you can hear music, and see videos, i usually see naruto here. As i sasid many times, the Revolution controller is a futuristic control, by that i mean that it have things that the other consoles controlers do not have and will never have. It will have been better to have 2 controller versions, the ugly one(the new) and the normal one. So with some games you can use one controller and with other the other one.

Maybe the controller shell will be easy to broke.

Answer to: Me fanboy
-I have given Sony a chance(On every Piece-of-junk system they have dished out!), And I do 'enjoy' microsoft, but Nintendo is the best, they have always set the standard, and Sony/Microsoft have followed and paid millions to out advertise Nintendo and basicly stab them in the back for helping them.

Answer to: PSP better
-No, The PSP may have an internet browser, but, the loading time could be up to 15 min.! also you will need a wireless router, and will this service be free?

Answer to: Stupid comment abt. shell
-What? "the controller shell will be easy to broke." that's a sony fanboy comment if i've ever seen one. You must realize that Nintendo actually TRIES to make their products have quality, I have dropped my DS (Sadly) 2 times and nothing has happened (not even a scratch!) so by meaning "easy to broke."<gahh, spelling error! You must mean you breaking it with a hammer swung very hard.

 

[Zero ex]

Answer to: Me fanboy
-I have given Sony a chance(On every Piece-of-junk system they have dished out!), And I do 'enjoy' microsoft, but Nintendo is the best, they have always set the standard, and Sony/Microsoft have followed and paid millions to out advertise Nintendo and basicly stab them in the back for helping them.

Answer to: PSP better
-No, The PSP may have an internet browser, but, the loading time could be up to 15 min.! also you will need a wireless router, and will this service be free?

Answer to: Stupid comment abt. shell
-What? "the controller shell will be easy to broke." that's a sony fanboy comment if i've ever seen one. You must realize that Nintendo actually TRIES to make their products have quality, I have dropped my DS (Sadly) 2 times and nothing has happened (not even a scratch!) so by meaning "easy to broke."<gahh, spelling error! You must mean you breaking it with a hammer swung very hard.

I know that nintendo makes things with lot of reistence, if i throw a ds and a psp. The psp will internally broke, and I know ds will survive(I have one.)
but i mean internally, the buttons can get easily damged, and the analog to.

Man i have given a chance to the Revolution, only for the control shell, though, you did not give an opportunity to ps3.

The loading time for psp browser is about 20 sec.(with my wireless server.) Yes the psp browser can be free, I can use my school wireless server and you do not have to pay for that update, if you have a wireless server than you can use your psp internet browser without extra charge. You said you search first for info. LIAR!

 

[Swizzler121]

This info was based of of our server, Which is very slow, and I couldn't confirm because I am downloading an update and it makes my 56k internet slower. ALSO, why did you bring up the psp in the first place, it has nothing to do with the topic, several people have already posted that the DS kicked the PSP's but in sales, and according to some of the sony fanboys on this thread "Sales matter" which I agree that they do but it was just like slapping themselves in the face.

 

[Arcanine]

Uh... guys... Can we please get back on the topic of the Revolution controller?