The Best Overall Team (Unofficial)

[Waker of Chaos]

Yes, our team can exploit other Sandstorms a little bit, but using a Poke that causes one will hurt us.

Gliscor has Sand Veil, which gives a 20% evasiveness boost.

 

[Anti]

In some cases that isn't true (that sand stream pokemon hurt the team). I run CBtar, and it doesn't really bother the likes of Salamence and Articuno.

Also, DDtar isn't even supposed to come into the battle until the end for a late-game sweep.

Since a lot (I'd say a good 40%) of teams have some weather thing going on, you might as well not restrict yourself. Or that's the way I see it (especially since TTar is the best physical attacker in the game to some).

 

[sims796]

I agree with Midnight. If an opposing user has Sandstorm, sure, but our team does not benifit for it. It ruins lefties, & it hurts nape (& Gen) if they are running Sash.

Also, I'd really like to ask that we not bring up the names of Any legendary canidates for this team. Countering them is fine, but to respect the threadmaker's wishes, we won't even consider using them. Besides, I'd like to see this team made.

 

[Dark Azelf]

We weren't using legendaries iirc either, Waker. >_> What would be the set for this Starmie?

There are two


Starmie@Leftovers
172 HP / 120 SP.ATT / 216 SPEED
Timid Nature
Trait : Natural Cure
- Thunderbolt / Ice Beam
- Surf
- Recover
- Rapid Spin


This should NOT be used for sweeping but only for Spinning, by that i mean dont let its 100 base sp.att, amazing special movepool and the "special attacker aura" therefore associated with it fool you.



Starmie@Wise Glasses / Life Orb / Leftovers
Timid Nature
252 SP.ATT / 216 SPEED / 40 HP
Trait: Natural Cure
- Ice Beam
- Thunderbolt
- Surf
- Rapid Spin

Ive run this, its not as bulky as the other set but it sweeps and Rapid Spin is there if you need it. its a sort of hybrid spinner and sweeper, a compromise between the two sets.

216 Speed evs allow both sets to outrun max speed Timid Gengar.

Its up to you which set we use, first one is bulky whilst the second move has more power and better coverage, but wont last as long as the first set, as the second set lacks Recover.

 

[Avolition]

That last set sounded nice, Azelf. I think I'd rather use that. =\

 

[Punishment]

zomg Is this still going? -.-

To be honest I am not going ot read though the last 30+ or w/e pages of post. Can someone update plox.

 

[sims796]

YAY! PUNISH IS BACK! Now I don't gotta imitate him for personal gain.

It would be easier if you take a look at the last 5 pages before this, as I'm still confused myself.

 

[Punishment]

Here's my rant.

We can't force the team to counter on threat such as Sandstorm. I mean not everyone runs a Pokemon capable of activating Sandstorm on their team.

We lack a a Water/Ice move period so Starmie is up for a lot of consideration. She is the best rapid spinner but we don't have to make her so. Element of suprise right there.

 

[Eos Aduro]

Well I think if we use Starmie, we can have a spinner and two ice moves.(Dnphan has Ice Shard Punishment too, oh hey you probably don't remember me, I was a newb last time I saw you post around here, plus my username was The Chatot Pirate). And Donphan can Haze.

 

[Anti]

I'm in support of making Star an all-out sweeper and leaving spinning to the likes of Donphan.

I think that a SpecsStar would be of benefit.

EDIT: For a reliable special attacker basically, and hurts potential switch-ins HARD.

 

[Eos Aduro]

Hmmm, that looks good, so

Starmie-Choice Specs
Timid-252 Speed, 252 Special Attack, 4 HP
Ice Beam
Thunderbolt
Surf
Grass Knot

 

[Dark Azelf]

I'm in support of making Star an all-out sweeper and leaving spinning to the likes of Donphan.

I think that a SpecsStar would be of benefit.

EDIT: For a reliable special attacker basically, and hurts potential switch-ins HARD.

We might aswell make starmie a spinner, as that frees up a slot for Donphan to phaze,

 

[Anti]

We might aswell make starmie a spinner, as that frees up a slot for Donphan to phaze,

I've ran SpecsStar with Rapid Spin. Seems lol, but it can work (but it really should be left for other things...)

 

[Eos Aduro]

Yeah, well looking at the team do we really need a Phazer? Its a Phazer, or a scary powerfull Starmie.

 

[Punishment]

I prefer Donphan to have Knock Off. Disabling hold items really dents your opponents strategy.

-Knock Off
-Ice Shard
-Earthquake
-Rapid Spin

 

[Death_Machine]

omg! I've finnally read the 77 pages of this thread!
well I'm going to enter this conversation (as I won't like to have spent all that time reading for nothing) and i think this team doesn't have a 'nape weakness cuz with Gengar we could switch in on fighting move and use psychic on it


Gengar @ Leftovers
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 78 HP/240 Spd/192 SAtk (i'm not good with EVs, I guess som1 could correct me) just enough to outrun a max speed timid nape
Hasty nature (+Spd, -Def)
- Destiny Bond
- Substitute
- Psychic
- Thunderbolt

Destiny Bond is for a random threat on the team (every ultimate team should have one) and with gengar's speed it's awesome. thunderbolt for starmie and substitute for stalling puposes and luring Destiny. as you see it is MADE for this team.

just a thought but... Weezing could do a lot of good on this team: it is an awesome hera counter, an very good Wall (mediocre HP though) and a good Hazer. Plus it has a status inflicting move (will-o-wisp anyone?) that this team lacks:

Weezing @ Leftovers
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 252 HP/86 SAtk/172 Def
Bold nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Haze
- Pain Split
- Sludge Bomb
- Will-o-wisp

 

[sims796]

Ah, Gengar is not a suitable counter. Firdt, it takes too much prediction. For instance, you MUST hope the they are using CC. Plus, wen they see Gengar, they will very much switch, while you do weak damage to whomever.

 

[Ársa]

Considering I don't really wish to read 77 pages worth of text, can someone please give me the short version? (i.e. Pokemon used, current threats etc.?)

~T_S

 

[Eos Aduro]

We're discussing walls for the team that are a Heracross Counter currently, and Starmie for a spinner while being a special attacker, and Donphan as a Phazer, or Starmie as being a full on special sweeper and leaving Donphan as a spinner, or even replacing Gengar with Starmie. Also if you didn't understand that then you need to learn more before trying to help. No offense but Im kind of tired of people not knowing what they're talking about disrupting the thread.

And Weezing is actually an interesting idea, but he can fall to a CBcross. Gliscor looks good to me. He's a hera counter, he helps deal with Sandstorm teams, and Infernape ats up a lot of ice users. Especially wiht U-Turn, don't know it, its more impressive than lots of people think.

 

[sims796]

You mean "currently discussing walls". Finding new flaws is always fun!

I say Gliscor as well. We must review the team so far.