The "clan" Organization thread V.4

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BeachBoy is with her on this one.

The ideals and goals of the Clan can be altered without losing the respect we have attained. I know Nos would agree with me on this one, so I'll stand with her ideal.

How to Join said:
This is not an organization for new players, and not for those who cannot behave themselves.

In order to join, you need to show that you have skill in pokemon battling and can act maturely. Contact one of the Clan Leaders in the list below and ask to be admitted. You will then battle under conditions set by that person. If your battle sufficiently proves your skill or if you have previously demonstrated your skill to the tester in other battles, then you will be admitted. Admittance is not necessarily determined by your victory.
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This rule is one of the various reasons why clans might be trashed altogether. Why? PC is a free community, and an open one. Jack, look in the eyes of a new player for a second. "Oh cool, all these great battlers, let me try out 8D" To get rejected, and shut down, dampening the kid's spirit and join another some other clan to probably never succeed in competitive battling. Is that what you want? Continue for newbie members to stay that way and overall PC's level of skill players will just decrease.

We don't need people prove themselves via battle, just see their skill. And honestly, I'm pretty adamant on all this by the way.

Fact: If I was rejected many months ago by not really a clan, but rather a person whom could train me. I'd be like the newbs walking around, and not the extreme berserker that you see me as today.

Yes we should test people to get in the clan.The Clan will lose its respect if we have noobs here.
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Just because we bring along new players in competitive battling by no means automatically degrades us to 'noobs'. How does an awesome group of competitive battlers that teach and mentor players, making them better and make the community and Clan better, and overall teaching the ways of the force people how to battle competitively make us noobs? If anything we should attain more respect for doing such a deed to the community.

I know we had this argument earlier, and I wasn't so much in it and I want to be in it. =/

We can still see what strategy they like to implement. So yeah, the new way the clan should recruit new members & still follow the idea of Nos. We'd battle them to test their level of skill, but they get in too. Also, we still moderate joining on respect and grammar as well.

If my opinion on this destroys your thoughts of me as a leader, okay. >__>
 
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Xairmo said:
Alright, Im already online. Is your FC the same as last time?

EDIT: Enjoy the Poke that came with the scarf, it's of competitive standards I do believe :O
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Thank you very much. Enjoy the Poke I traded back, it's a Legendary I do believe :P

BeachBoy said:
We can still see what strategy they like to implement. So yeah, the new way the clan should recruit new members & still follow the idea of Nos. We'd battle them to test their level of skill, but they get in too. [S-HIGHLIGHT]Also, we still moderate joining on respect and grammar as well.[/S-HIGHLIGHT]
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Key point here: define "respect".


(Side note: I do not remember any member really being "shut down" without explaining to the member why they did not succeed, which in and of itself would help the player to improve. In a few cases, I think the loss itself even inspired the member to improve and try again. I just wanted to point this out.)
 
Ichaste Pekoni said:
Thank you very much. Enjoy the Poke I traded back, it's a Legendary I do believe :P



Key point here: define "respect".


(Side note: I do not remember any member really being "shut down" without explaining to the member why they did not succeed, which in and of itself would help the player to improve. In a few cases, I think the loss itself even inspired the member to improve and try again. I just wanted to point this out.)
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Respect has many meanings there: respectful of others is a main key, that rule has always been enforced here. Also respect of the resources. Can't have an abusive usage member can we? Respect for the clan by staying active, respect for eyes by having proper grammar and not straining us to read, etc.

I understand your side note, and I've asked that question as well. However, people don't always tick like that. Some people, when rejected, shut down. Oh wow, rejected by the best clan on PC? That won't make people feel good and not all the time inspire them. Also, do we really need clan rejection to inspire people?

If we're improving them by giving them reasons, why can't we keep them around and help them improve and become better further? Just based on past experiences really can't gauge that seeing as we need to work on the future.

I've seen a loss make people quit forever or simply never come back to the place of rejection, destroying players and saying you did this wrong good bye isn't the best way to improve. =/ And what kind of rep do you think we get for kicking out people that can be brought along.

And also, the system of it in general goes against the PC main ideal, free community. If someone is so bad to be rejected, why can't we allow them to stick around and learn by our metagame discussion and other various battles, etc. Letting them move along in a system where they can improve really doesn't have faults.

We're a group of devoted players that can improve many many players, instead of going "Hey you did this wrong, do this, come back, and try again" we can go "Oh, your skill isn't really up to par, how about you stick around and learn this, this and this." With an established member bring them along?

We don't need rejection to bring someone along.

There are various possibilities... So, throwing ideas out there. ;D

Just to note: New clan will also involve a Shoddy Wing...I know how Nos wanted us to branch out onto shoddy as well. And as a PC shoddy server administrator, we can easily implement that.
 
BeachBoy said:
Respect has many meanings there: respectful of others is a main key, that rule has always been enforced here. [S-HIGHLIGHT]Also respect of the resources. Can't have an abusive usage member can we?[/S-HIGHLIGHT] Respect for the clan by staying active, respect for eyes by having proper grammar and not straining us to read, etc.
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I believe that is what I was looking for. Thank you.

BeachBoy said:
I understand your side note, and I've asked that question as well. However, people don't always tick like that. Some people, when rejected, shut down. Oh wow, rejected by the best clan on PC? That won't make people feel good and not all the time inspire them. Also, do we really need clan rejection to inspire people?

If we're improving them by giving them reasons, why can't we keep them around and help them improve and become better further? Just based on past experiences really can't gauge that seeing as we need to work on the future.

I've seen a loss make people quit forever or simply never come back to the place of rejection, destroying players and saying you did this wrong good bye isn't the best way to improve. =/ And what kind of rep do you think we get for kicking out people that can be brought along.

And also, the system of it in general goes against the PC main ideal, free community. If someone is so bad to be rejected, why can't we allow them to stick around and learn by our metagame discussion and other various battles, etc. Letting them move along in a system where they can improve really doesn't have faults.

We're a group of devoted players that can improve many many players, instead of going "Hey you did this wrong, do this, come back, and try again" we can go "Oh, your skill isn't really up to par, how about you stick around and learn this, this and this." With an established member bring them along?

We don't need rejection to bring someone along.
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Now, now, I did not say that it was an ideal situation. I just wanted to make sure that we keep fair to both sides of the discussion, since the argument I was countering has been made before:

Richard Lynch said:
That said, if someone in the Clan comes across a so called "noob", don't say "You can't be in the Clan". Instead, say, "You're not ready for the Clan because..." and explain the faults in their technique. Let them learn from you, and tell them to try again. As the old saying goes, practice makes perfect, and Pokemon battling is no different. I once got a 39 on a Chemistry exam; big stupid mistakes on my part (for example, I cubed 2.22 and got something like 3.48; I still have no idea what the hell I did XD). But my teacher didn't say, "You're a failure, drop this course, pick a new major." instead, he just corrected me, and I refined my technique.
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About "kicking them out"...did the Clan ever really do this before? I know for certain that there was nothing to stop somebody from spying in on one of the metagame discussions (I myself am guilty of doing this, so I say from experience), and the worst I saw or can remember as far as "blocking" another user was refusing their request for a battle. As far as I can tell, there is nothing in either the past or future preventing us from offering to assist members in improving (this IS what you are promoting, is it not?) should they not pass recruitment. In fact, would requiring them to be a member in order to get help not be another form of the same elitism that you are arguing against? Why should it matter if the player in question is a member of the Clan or not, if they want to get help from everybody here?

What I am basically saying is that we can combine the best of both worlds: if a user passes their recruitment test, they're in as a member. If they do not, we still keep them around to try and help them to improve, anyway.

...I think I'm essentially backing the "Clan Academy" idea here...
 
I see what you're saying and agree really. That's really the idea I was trying to find to say.

I wasn't trying to say making them a member so they didn't run off, but merely offer them a slot to come and learn. The one thing I care about with other clans in Wireless Battle Stadium is that they cut down to be honest and really start showing respect to what WBS was originally create for, individual threads. =/ I hope we all just don't get wiped off the face of the earth. >_>


Anyway, I see what your point is and agree really. Merely not give them the title of membership, but keep them around to improve. Or at least that's what I think you're trying to say. o_o;
 
BeachBoy said:
The one thing I care about with other clans in Wireless Battle Stadium is that they cut down to be honest and really start showing respect to what WBS was originally create for, individual threads.
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Doesn't the Quick Battle thread contradict that? ;P

BeachBoy said:
Anyway, I see what you're point is and agree really. Merely not give them the title of membership, but keep them around to improve. Or at least that's what I think you're trying to say. o_o;
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Yes, exactly. That way, I believe both sides of the argument are satisfied.
 
Ichaste Pekoni said:
Doesn't the Quick Battle thread contradict that? ;P



Yes, exactly. That way, I believe both sides of the argument are satisfied.
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Actually, I asked Hiroshi the same question. And doesn't like the idea of forcing people to make a thread really, when you can possibly do a quick battle or a thread for possibly multiple battles. It's a necessary sticky to put it simply.

I agree, both sides should be satisfied then. :D Thanks Ichaste Pekoni

(haha spelled it right the first go without C&P \o/)
 
BeachBoy said:
Actually, I asked Hiroshi the same question. And doesn't like the idea of forcing people to make a thread really, when you can possibly do a quick battle or a thread for possibly multiple battles. It's a necessary sticky to put it simply.
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Necessary in the respect that it makes most of the use for the rest of the forum pointless? XP

BeachBoy said:
I agree, both sides should be satisfied then. :D Thanks Ichaste Pekoni

(haha spelled it right the first go without C&P \o/)
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Just "Ichaste" works fine, yanno. :O After all, you don't call people you know in real life by their first AND last names, do you?

...Hmm......I suppose this is turning into more of a case for visitor comments than posting here, eh?
 
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So exactly how's The Clan v.5 coming along?
 
=O I demand The Clan v.5 appear in my eyes right now. >=[ Bad things happen when I'm not pleased when PC's server is down... I also want to join The Clan v.5 :D
 
BeachBoy said:
Thread is pretty much made, as I said earlier, it's not getting accepted. Why? Overload of clans in WBS. =/
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Hmm...what if we absorbed at least one of the other clans into it (looking directly at the "New Clan" here)? The resulting number of clans would be the same.

Besides, isn't it the same clan just reposted by a different member?
 
Since Nos is the member who made this thread, only she and the mods can edit it. I'm NU/W mod, so I can't touch this thread first off. And annoying the already busy D/P/P staff for updates? That doesn't sound too peachy in my opinion. So, really, I don't think we can touch this thread, as it can be closed by author permission, or if the DPP mods find it suitable to close. =/

We've absorbed the 1337 brigade into our shoddy wing. (Yeah, large note) And about the New Clan, I think WK may change them into Draco alliance.

Ichaste said:
Hmm...what if we absorbed at least one of the other clans into it (looking directly at the "New Clan" here)? The resulting number of clans would be the same.
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Well, that didn't seem to change the stance. As it needs to cut down anyway.
 
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