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The various teams

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    We have had many Teams throughout the mainlines games. With scarlet and violet out a week i thought it be neat to have a thread to talk about them.

    Team rocket: Generic criminals that didnt really have much to do in gen 1. Come gen 2 they are a little more interesting trying to harold the return of their boss but still nothing amazing.

    Team magma/aqua: The first "hero" team. They truely believe they will help the world through their respective ways but are too dense to see the whole picture. Out of the two i prefer aqua on characters and generally liking water more.

    Team galactic: The thugs and higher ups are just that, thugs and higher ups listening to the one man thats actually the problem, Cyrus. Cyrus is also generic and just wants to reshape the world through the sinnoh trio and thats about it. Effective in scope but still generic

    Team plasma: Actually unique. In part one they follow their "leader" N who believes pokemon are better off freed from humans. But then the true plan is revealed by their true leader Ghetsis, who just wants rule over unova. Come part two the group is split with between those who actually believes in Ns new goal of working with pokemon, or the NEW team plasma who sides with ghetsis. They also nuke a town with ice which is cool(hah). Still one of the better teams

    Team Flare: fashion police moving on

    Team skull: Literally thugs. There fine enough and guzma is abit of an interesting character as i wouldnt say he is true evil or anything. Just on a payroll against you. Not terrible

    Team yell: Angry shitposters moving on

    Team star:
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    What are your thoughts on the teams?
     
    Team Rocket is one of my favorites! Partly because they're the OG evil team and also because I like their designs + TR in the anime + Giovanni is a cool boss. I also like Team Plasma and its leaders/members for the good lore... and N. :'D Then there's Skull because they're so ridiculous it's funny lol. And you can't say Guzma's themesong isn't amazing. A+ track. Same goes for Aqua/Magma, they've got some really cool characters and fantastic themes.

    Can't say much on Galactic and especially Yell + Flare... the latter two are just very forgettable to me. :s
     
    Hey, don't forget the Aether Foundation! I'd say they count as an evil team. Even moreso than Team Skull in some ways.

    I really liked the unusual (apparent) goal and style of Team Plasma. They were refreshing, and so was N.

    Team Skull was also really nice, because they were just a bunch of misfit punks who weren't actually evil. Again, refreshing!

    I don't know anything about Sword/Shield and Scarlet/Violet era teams, but Yell seemed... Like a worse Skull.
     
    I didnt know if id count the aether foundation so i didnt mention them, but they are fine as a twist team too.

    I think i really nailed it with team yell though, internet shitposters. They make alot a noise but are completely insignificant and not worth your time
     
    I love threads like this that really get me thinking and typing a lot.

    Team Rocket – A straightforward criminal organization or Pokémon mafia of sorts that was motivated by money, had several resources that allowed them to create artificial Pokémon in labs that brought us Mewtwo, and had no qualms against killing Pokémon, such as the Marowak in Lavender Town. They had a skilled, feared boss in Giovanni that was good enough to be a gym leader and a top battler in Unova as well. They're also very iconic because of Jessie, James, and their talking Meowth in the anime. Team Rocket was everything a villainous team needs to be in Pokémon, hands down. However, their main issue is that they are extremely incompetent in every adaption they appear in, which is actually, I would say, part of their charm.

    Team Magma/Team Aqua – An organization driven by science, but unfortunately, full of people that were unqualified to be scientists. Albeit they had positive intentions, such as Team Magma wanting to bring the world more sunlight under the belief that it would help people, and Team Aqua wanting to bring the world more water under the belief it would help Pokémon, they didn't understand that using the power of Groudon and Kyogre to fulfill their respective goals would threaten the health of the world. Because of this, I think they weren't among the brightest of the villainous teams in Pokémon. Archie was more of a brute and while Maxie was likely more intelligent and calculating, he still failed to understand how his plan would fail miserably. Other than that, they're actions did make for a really good story, which saved them from being bad.

    Team Galactic – I have to disagree with you about this villainous team being generic. If anything, they are arguably the most dangerous of all the villainous teams because they're arguably the most competent of all of them. Unlike Team Rocket, who could easily have their plans be foiled by different children in different continuities, Team Galactic was the closest to actually fulfilling their goals. Cyrus is an absolute madman that took villainous teams to the extreme by wanting to destroy the current world and making a new one, all while expressing little emotion because he's been mentally broken since childhood. This doesn't sound like Pokémon. This sounds like Armageddon. Team Galactic actually succeeded in their plans of kidnapping the Lake Guardians and using their power to put their plans into motion. Cyrus literally almost destroyed the world right then and there using the power of the main legendaries, but it was mainly Giratina that stopped him, along with the protagonist.

    Team Plasma – An organization that was perhaps the best in my opinion, mainly because of how cunning they were. Just when you thought that Cyrus was a complete monster, they one-upped him with Ghetsis, the guy that has no qualms against killing children and abusing his own children. What made Team Plasma so dangerous was that they hide under the façade of being a good organization that believed Pokémon training was bad for the Pokémon and wanted to free Pokémon from their trainers for their wellbeing. However, that was only a rouse to take people's Pokémon from their owners so that they could use them for world domination, and it almost worked until the player stops them. They had believable intentions, well-developed characters, interesting characters such as The Shadow Triad, and they made for a great story. Ghetsis was utterly ruthless, well-written, and was one of those bad guys you wanted to destroy and not felt sorry for. I wish we had another villainous team like Team Plasma. N was also a great character as well. His story moved me emotionally. It brought tears to my eyes, but also brought me motivation.

    Team Flare – Even though they might appear to be a team of fashionista goofballs that can't be taken seriously, lowkey, they are actually quite competent than they appear and they are utterly ruthless as well. Their leader, Lysandre, is, in my opinion, not much different to Hitler. However, instead of extreme racism that he promotes, he pretty much replaces racism with "beauty" and similar to Cyrus, wants to destroy the current world and replace it with a more "beautiful" one. This makes Lysandre a complete nutcase, as well as those that paid 5 million Poké Dollars to join and support him. If you look past the goofiness of the group as a whole, they all really come off as Nazis. Like Team Rocket, they have several resources that allow them to make several machines and weapons in labs and they too almost succeeded in their goal of unleashing the Ultimate Weapon to destroy the world. They even had one admin, Malva, serve as a member of the Elite Four, proving they had great battlers on their team, and as a newscaster, proving that they were well-organized. Despite them mostly being goofs, I commend them for actually posing a threat that needed to be taken care of immediately.

    Team Skull – This is where villainous teams really started to become jokes in my opinion. They were a street gang that was formed out of people that failed their Island Challenge, resulting in them devoting their time to disrupting the Island Challenge of small children, ultimately existing on nothing more than being petty. However, they were so incompetent, they couldn't even succeed at being petty. In fact, their incompetence level was worse than Team Rocket's incompetence level, which is saying something. They had ridiculous poses and dance moves that made them hard to take seriously and they very rarely, if ever, posed a serious threat to anything. In fact, most people in Alola weren't even afraid of them, instead viewing them as complete jokes, which they were. While I definitely wasn't a fan of Team Skull, I was a big fan of their leader Guzma, who I thought was a great character. He had a lot of personality, great battling skills, and he revealed that he wasn't all that bad of a person either. I liked their second-in-command Plumeria as well, as she wasn't a dancing/posing goofball like the grunts, was more mature, and had a big sister mentality.

    Team Yell – I don't really have much to say about Team Yell other than Game Freak somehow found a way to make a villainous team worse than Team Skull. I don't know how they managed it, but they did. Oh wait, I think I know how they managed it. They basically didn't make them do anything truly villainous. They were mostly just rowdy fans of Marnie. They were easily the worst group ever that I am aware of thus far. There really isn't much to be said. I would say that this is definitely a step in the wrong direction for villainous teams. I didn't care too much for Piers or Marnie to be honest, but they did add to the story by being supporting characters and more characters to challenge when partaking in the championship tournament.

    Team Star – Even though I have Pokémon Violet, I don't know much about them yet, as I have yet to begin the Team Star story. (I like to take my time with the game). However, based on what I read about them, they seem to be a gang of school bullies, which sucks. Sure, school bullies might be a step above rowdy fans, but it doesn't make sense why a group of school bullies would be referred to as "grunts" as if they were an organization that posed a real threat to society. Nonetheless, when I begin the Team Star story, I would update this and my opinion along with it.
     
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    Team galactic basically trying to cause an armageddon is indeed threatening, but also something thats been a plot point for so many evil forces in media, hence why i call it generic. I also dont think he ever says why he wants to ruin the world other than to make a new one in his image, again generic.

    Team flare is worst because i dont think lysandre even gives a basic reason why he is using the weapon to destroy the world, he just is

    Team Star is by no means anything deep but it is a different approach that i do like well enough
     
    Team Rocket is the most grounded and believable. Straight mafia and thugs that use Pokémon as a means to make money (unless we count the fan-theories about their background story and goals, which actually make them more interesting)

    They don't have over-the-top world rebuilding/domination plans, nor do they a poor excuse to justify why they even exist. Magma/Aqua and Galactic could have probably worked better had their leaders been given a bit more depth and a more convincing explanation for their goals.

    The modern "villain" teams are barely villains at all at the end, they're very lighthearted and in fact sometimes it makes me feel like the protagonist is actually the bad guy/girl trying to hunt them down for no actual reason. Team Star has an interesting foundation, but their implementation into the story was extremely poor and shoehorned. They weren't really doing anything bad, just holed up in their bases for practically the whole game, so I didn't really get what's the motivation I was supposed to have to defeat them, I felt like I was hunting them down just because someone told me that they were bad and had to be stopped, but that's something you have to show through actions, not just words.
     
    • Team Rocket: Okay. Commits crimes and/or exploits Pokemon for money. Makes sense to exist.
    • Magma/Aqua: Mostly just seemed evil just because. Never really understood the benefit of, in essence, causing climate change. Not a fan.
    • Galactic: Remembers too little of this to have a strong opinion. Why are the grunts following this, anyways? What do they believe in?
    • Plasma: Also interacted with this team too long ago for a confident opinion. Imagines a group trying to free Pokemon pretty easily. Treats Pokemon kind of poorly. Liked this team overall.
    • Flare: Sort of feels like a bunch of self-important rich people eager to have power over others. (Costs a fortune to join.) Amounts to a gang of Rich Kids. Sounds kind of believeable, in that light. Kind of goes off the rails with the whole "kill all the filthy beings" bit at the end, though.

      Dislikes this team the most for being both strange and annoying. Grew tired of beating them.
    • Skull: Bumbling, children's show cartoon characters less evil than Team Rocket. Reads sort of as aggrieved kids that found fellowship amongst failure and expectations. Views them as a little too dopey to take seriously.
    • Aether Foundation: ...Did no one ever enter Lusamine's chamber? Were the grunts unconcerned about the cryogenically frozen Pokemon? Flipped the switch between "caring Pokemon people" to "smirking villains" way too quick. Needed a clear split between the groups.

      Found Lusamine kind of interesting (in normal Sun/Moon) with Mohn's backstory. Tossed it away with the obsession part. (Resulted in a really cool form with Nihilego, though. Would have totally caught and used that Pokemon.)
    • Team Yell: Just some hooligans. Never really painted them to be evil, just disruptive and overzealous. Does not mind them. Sees overzealous fans in sports. Why not Pokemon too?
    • Marco Cosmos: Awful. Cause a huge disaster to solve a distant energy crisis? What? Calls it the Darkest Day, not "A Kind of Inconvenient Wednesday". What about the other effects of the Darkest Day on Galar? Get some Torkoals, Politoeds, and Castforms and call it a day.
    • Team Star:
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    Might as well give my 2 cents on them.

    Rocket is your run of the mill organized crime. Pretty believable as far as things goes.

    Magma and Aqua are supposed to play off an event that was happening in Japan at the time regarding the Isahaya Bay land reclamation project. Isahaya is a city in Kyuushuu. Hoenn happens to be based on Kyuushuu. So the Hoenn games were basically Pokemon's first foray into social commentary.

    Magma/Aqua: Mostly just seemed evil just because. Never really understood the benefit of, in essence, causing climate change. Not a fan.

    And it is with that context that Team Magma and Aqua should probably be analyzed. The debate went like this: some people wanted more lands so they could farm it and have more food since Japan (and Hoenn for that matter) has very little arable land. Others said "that's fine and all but that can cause massive damage to the fishermen (and also the fishes, but mostly the fishing industry)".

    Both arguments make sense, and while I don't know if "unclaim reclaimed land" was a mainstream opinion back then, as far as 2019, 11 years after the project ended and Team Magma "won" in real life, there are still people telling the government to open the floodgates and undo the project citing that the creation of floodgates changed currents and is affecting the fishing industry, which is also a massive food source (and maybe environmental damage? The editorial I found mostly talks about the fishing industry).

    So the benefits for, in essence, causing climate change boil down to "more food".

    Galactic and Flare are run of the mill fascists. Pretty believable.

    Plasma are either ecofascists, or a movement coopted by fascists. Depends on whether you think "Black Plasma" believed in Pokemon liberation or not. Also pretty believable.

    Macrocosmos are dumb ecofascists / rich people playing god. Unfortunately extremely believable, there are a lot of similarities between Rose and Musk.

    My favorites of the bunch are Team Skull and Team Yell because they're cringe teenagers being cringe and that's fine. Not everything needs to have end of the world stakes.

    It's not spelled out directly but I like the fact that for all that Team Skull failed the Island Challenge, they ended up effectively de facto creating a Trial Captain in the form of Guzma (there's "a trial" in the form of storming the base, a battle and a Z-Crystal. Guzma behaves like a Trial Captain even if he isn't called one).

    Team Yell looked at England and said "we need hooligans" and they understood the assignment.

    Skull and Yell weren't supposed to be taken seriously anyways, the real villains are Aether Foundation and Macro Cosmos. Team Skull and Yell work as antagonists both in being common enemies you can defeat, being a red herring and having some kind of emotional core (found family and "we want to make our hometown better" respectively).

    That's a lot of story development that most other teams don't get and that's part of the reason I like those goofs that much.

    I've only played USUM, which apparently has a fundamentally different story from SM so I don't know enough about the Aether Foundation and I haven't finished ScarVio so I can't really give a definitive opinion about Team Star.

    But my (partial) impression about them so far is that Team Star seems to function more or less like the "teenagers being cringe found family" ways of Team Skull which I like and Aether Foundation is "unhinged capitalist" which I also like.
     
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