Weed?

[Guillermo]

I'm sure there are some happy people who just like to get the feeling every once in a while. Smoking weed is used by many happy people to "amplify" a situation. I don't personally see it as necessary, but it's not like "Oh, you smoke weed. You're a loser". It's like drinking casually. People do it; does that make them bad? Nope. Same kind of thing with happy people smoking weed occasionally, too.

Difference, weed is illegal and alcohol isn't. I believe that should be flipped around.

 

[Yusshin]

Difference, weed is illegal and alcohol isn't. I believe that should be flipped around.

Same. Alcohol is way more destructive :s at one point, alcohol was illegal and weed was legal, but that switched around in the 1930s (something around that time, anyway...)

 

[Throat]

COUNTERPOINT. With weed being legal, the government could regulate the potency and distribution of the substance, eliminating users having to interact with shady dealers, who may or may not have laced the weed with an addictive substance such as cocaine to get you to keep buying drugs from them, thus creating a new addiction.

There'd still be drug dealers of other illegal stuff.

Let me try to explain what would probably happen:

Joe is a guy who wants to try on weed, as it's not illegal, why not? - The fact it's no longer illegal would take MANY other youngsters to use it, who doubts? - He used it, got very high and enjoyed. He used it like 30 times (?) and the effect is going weaker and weaker. He needs something stronger to have the same effect. He talks to drug dealers and start using cocaine. Now Joe is done.

That's their own stupidity. People smoke weed a lot nowadays and it's not even legal either. Doubt much would change if it was made legal.

Yeah, I agree that's their own stupidity, but if a country make it legal, they'd end up having to spend way more money on health care for them.

 

[Yusshin]

Yeah, I agree that's their own stupidity, but if a country make it legal, they'd end up having to spend way more money on health care for them.

Health Care? Maybe from eating too much and sleeping on it lol How do you think health care costs would increase?

 

[Throat]

Health Care? Maybe from eating too much and sleeping on it lol How do you think health care costs would increase?

Making it short, drug rehabilitation. Is my country (Brazil) the only one where every citizen has the right to have medical care for free (here it is cheesy, but in this case it isn't meaningful)?

 

[shookie]

I agree. Don't know why people think it's so "cool" to smoke anything. Don't do drugs people. It just shows how lame you are that you can't have fun or a good time without something being pumped into your body or you're smoking it.

I can't function well outside of my home unless I've taken the drugs that were prescribed to me by a licensed physician. Some schizophrenics and those with bipolar disorder probably wouldn't be able to "have fun or a good time" without something being pumped into their body.

 

[Yusshin]

Making it short, drug rehabilitation. Is my country (Brazil) the only one where every citizen has the right to have medical care for free (here it is cheesy, but in this case it isn't meaningful)?

Canada's the same way. Our taxes pay for Health Cards which offer free health services, but medecine costs a lot if you don't have insurance from your work - especially dental-related things.

Rehabilitation would be an issue, but I don't believe marijuana would lead that many people to more dangerous drugs. Only the stupid people, really. A lot of people view it as a "gateway" drug, but everyone I've ever talked to only take weed - everything else they deem disgusting, abused, dangerous, and unhealthy. From personal experience, Canadians don't go Marijuana->Cocaine->Heroine->Death, so it's not really a problem over here. Maybe that's because our weed doesn't have chemicals topped on it :< I'm not sure...

 

[Throat]

I've made a small research and Canada isn't free of illicit drugs*, I'm sorry if I am wrong. Maybe you're in a good social circle?

*I mean the weed legalization seems to have no big advantage.

 

[SIN1488]

No, I think it should stay illegal too. I say this even though I used to smoke for a few years of my life. I don't see how it would do any real good in the end, other than financial reasons, but that's still not worth it and here's why.

Even with it being legal, we have older siblings and such smoking weed and not really hiding the fact. Their younger siblings see that it's okay for them to do it too, and so they want it. Now, maybe some older siblings won't let them do it if they can help it, and maybe some of the younger siblings will not want to because it's illegal. But some will either start smoking as they get older, or they will find ways to get it then, like stealing it from their brothers or sisters.

Now if it's legal, the younger siblings even have the arguments "why shouldn't we get to do it since it's legal for you?" and "It's not bad for you like cigarettes".

Maybe you're thinking it wouldn't be a big deal. I've noticed that it can really lower motivation to do things in a lot of people. Not really physical laziness, but not wanting to do things in school or just wanting to get high instead of doing other things. Kids don't have much motivation for school these days already, pretty much only as a way of socializing with other kids. So if they smoked regularly, they might say "screw school!" and just ditch to go hang out and smoke.

Maybe I'm just ranting on here, but one last point. :P

I've seen this happen with people in high school, and some middle schoolers. Now it seems to be spreading more to middle schools. I've seen other trends and such spread all the way from high school to elementary school, and it's mostly been things that are frowned upon by parents, which is why it's spread so fast.

So would you really want this stuff to have an easier time of spreading to younger generations?

 

[Zeph.]

Some of my friends have smoked weed before. Some more than others. I think my friends are some of the most amazing people in the world, honestly.

I think governments are just scared to legalise it because many people brand it as a 'bad drug', and they would get bad publicity.

 

[xJordan360]

Canada's the same way. Our taxes pay for Health Cards which offer free health services, but medecine costs a lot if you don't have insurance from your work - especially dental-related things.

Rehabilitation would be an issue, but I don't believe marijuana would lead that many people to more dangerous drugs. Only the stupid people, really. A lot of people view it as a "gateway" drug, but everyone I've ever talked to only take weed - everything else they deem disgusting, abused, dangerous, and unhealthy. From personal experience, Canadians don't go Marijuana->Cocaine->Heroine->Death, so it's not really a problem over here. Maybe that's because our weed doesn't have chemicals topped on it :< I'm not sure...

I feel the same way as the people you talk to. I don't really think weed and salvia and other naturally occurring things are all that bad, but when you start effing with chemicals and test tubes to get something to make you high, you're a dumbass, IMO.

 

[Lt_Nite]

The thing is marijuana is not PHYSICALLY addictive, just mentally. A lot of things are mentally addictive, why not ban those too? They can be just as devastating to a person's life as weed can.

 

[SalemGreen]

I don't think heroine and cocaine should be legal :s Those drugs are dangerous; marijuana isn't. Crystal Meth, cocaine, etc. all mess with brain cells and your physical form. They turn you hideous, anorexic, and irritable. You change over time gradually - weed is different, since it's temporary, and you don't change over time. It's not very addictive either. Some people do become addicted, yes, but generally, someone can stop smoking weed (assuming it's not filled to the core with tobacco; then it's just a tobacco addiction) whenever they want.

Meth itself would be quite safe.. if it were made by the government. It becomes unsafe because the cooks make it with such ridiculous things.

And, Marijuana is not in anyway addictive. It's purely a mental addiction (which, I know people who are mentally addicted to stuffed bunnies. Let's ban those, too?)

Actually, I believe this states otherwise.

There's also a much higher chance to get addicted to weed than there is to cocaine, just so you know.

Oh wow. That's a little uneducated of you to say.


Also, nicotine itself is scientifically considered HEALTHY. It's found in many of the vegetables you eat every day. It's also been studied and proven to actually enhance pleasures while nicotine is active and proven that it can act as an anti-depressant. Nicotine only becomes unhealthy in abnormal quantities, more than is in an entire carton of cigarettes.

Yeah, and drinking too much water can kill you too.

 

[xJordan360]

Meth itself would be quite safe.. if it were made by the government. It becomes unsafe because the cooks make it with such ridiculous things.

And, Marijuana is not in anyway addictive. It's purely a mental addiction (which, I know people who are mentally addicted to stuffed bunnies. Let's ban those, too?)






Oh wow. That's a little uneducated of you to say.


Also, nicotine itself is scientifically considered HEALTHY. It's found in many of the vegetables you eat every day. It's also been studied and proven to actually enhance pleasures while nicotine is active and proven that it can act as an anti-depressant. Nicotine only becomes unhealthy in abnormal quantities, more than is in an entire carton of cigarettes.

Yeah, and drinking too much water can kill you too.

As much as I enjoy your tidbits of information, some of them seem a bit iffy.
Got some links to back it up? If so, please, post them. I want to read more about it ^_^

 

[インフェルノの津波]

Someone actually made a thread for marijuana?

It shouldn't stay illegal, its silly that it is. I think its only illegal is because people were misusing it, but wait aren't there people misusing other drugs too, shouldn't those be illegal too?

The only reason I find to unban it is for those with cancer, marijuana relieves their pain a lot.

 

[SalemGreen]

As much as I enjoy your tidbits of information, some of them seem a bit iffy.
Got some links to back it up? If so, please, post them. I want to read more about it ^_^

I think I actually can't post links yet due to post count. However, if you go to google and do what I call "quote searching" you should find it. Just google search what the person is claiming (in this case: "Nicotine is good for you" should do the trick) and you'll usually get some of their sources.

 

[xJordan360]

I think I actually can't post links yet due to post count. However, if you go to google and do what I call "quote searching" you should find it. Just google search what the person is claiming (in this case: "Nicotine is good for you" should do the trick) and you'll usually get some of their sources.

brb, articles.
Not a bad find.
Interesting, in the very least. ^_^

 

[SalemGreen]

Yes. As I've mentioned in many of my posts my profession is a "Professional critic and analyst". I lobby for smokers rights and you'd be surprised the amount of things you were lied to about back in highschool. Specifically when it comes to smoking. A prime example is the fact that a non-smoker living in chicago for ONE DAY will inhale more than five times the amount of carcinogens and pollutants than a FIVE PACK A DAY smoker in the country would in a whole WEEK. Smoking isn't all that deadly, nor dangerous.

 

[Yamikarasu]

Some quick facts about marijuana:
- You can't overdose. (It would take about 20,000+ joints to kill a person)
- You can't become physically addicted. (Marijuana is about as addictive as chocolate)
- Yeah, you can get lung cancer from smoking it, but that's a BS reason to keep it illegal because cigarettes are perfectly legal (plus they're addictive and even more cancerous, since users typically smoke a pack or more a day). You can just bake it into brownies and presto, no risk of lung cancer.

As to it being a gateway drug, that's debatable. Because marijuana is not addictive, I believe that what really causes people to go onto harder drugs (like alcohol), is the culture that surrounds the drug. Raves especially, because you can't go to one and not expect to be offered ecstasy or something else.

Marijuana should be decriminalized in my opinion, and then taxed just as cigarettes and alcohol are. This would take nonviolent people out of overcrowded prisons, and the money saved and raised from the now legal marijuana would be spent on drug rehab programs.

Anyone who thinks cigarettes and alcohol should remain legal while pot remains illegal is ignorant. End of discussion.

 

[shookie]

Some quick facts about marijuana:
- You can't overdose. (It would take about 20,000+ joints to kill a person)
- You can't become physically addicted. (Marijuana is about as addictive as chocolate)
- Yeah, you can get lung cancer from smoking it, but that's a BS reason to keep it illegal because cigarettes are perfectly legal (plus they're addictive and even more cancerous, since users typically smoke a pack or more a day). You can just bake it into brownies and presto, no risk of lung cancer.

1. Chocolate is damn addictive. If I could safely have chocolate through a central line I would do it 24/7. Too bad that would kill me.
2. You can also bake pot into cookies.
The More You Know ~*