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White House: Trump's comments "disqualify" him from presidency

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    Trump has corrected himself/the reports that he'd stop ALL Muslims from entering the country and said that he would just prevent travel/immigration by Muslims. Any Muslim-Americans abroad would be welcomed home, according to him. Not saying it changes the message, but it's not as Hitler-y as people keep saying it is and, as posted above, is allowed under the law if he were President. I think Trump is tapping into the fear of people though and when the news flashes "MUSLIM TERROR ABROAD AND NOW AT HOME. ISIS COULD BE IN YOUR BACKYARD NOW!", it purveys the theme of "Muslims are bad" and "End of life as we know it". I can't open up a single news site or channel here in the US without seeing something to that effect and many people are fearful as a result.

    Trump confirmed that his policy would not apply to current Muslims in the U.S. during a Fox News interview on Monday evening.

    https://www.cnn.com/2015/12/07/politics/donald-trump-muslim-ban-immigration/
     

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    He can't do anything about the Muslim people within the country already so long as they have citizenship. They aren't aliens.

    Also, why you think voting for Trump is beyond me. It's not odd for a country to close its borders to a nation it's at war with but Islam is not a nation, it's a religion. There is nothing that justifies what Trump is doing, he's a bigot and a fascist and if you want to talk WWII, he's behaving a lot more like the Nazi government than the US.

    It's not just a religion, it's a culture and way of life. One that is so backwards and repulsive that any civilised person would immediately reject it. I think it's justifiable enough to say NO to a culture as dominant as theirs that promotes the mistreatment of women and children. A National Socialist is definitely not what he is, a Nationalist and a Capitalist more like it.

    Sure it would be nice if we could all get along however, Islam is not a culture that fits with the West however I'm guessing we need to be the better people and lay down for them over being tolerant. Cultural Marxism and Liberalism are the big reasons for the problems we have seen in France and Europe. Do you want your children being raised in a world where they aren't safe?

    So are we not at war with Islam?
    https://www.express.co.uk/news/worl...error-raids-as-officers-seize-330-war-weapons
    https://speisa.com/modules/articles...-334-war-grade-weapons-found-223-arrests.html
     

    Thepowaofhax

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    Yeah, because Nationalists helped Spain in the 40's, too. And Italy. And Germany. I can play that too.

    Oh, and, in this case, the ones calling Trump "fascist" are... the other Republican candidates: 1. Jeb Bush adviser: https://twitter.com/noonanjo/status/667748577737863168 / Marco Rubio adviser: https://twitter.com/MaxBoot/status/668447756512456705

    2. But, seriously, if you think Sanders' social-democracy has anything to do with the USSR, 3. I ask you to please visit any country in Western Europe, where you'll find out that there is a difference between what we curently know as Socialism and the USSR's Communism. And by "a" difference, I mean "five trillion". For one, 4.we still have a free market, and freedom to vote, and all that! And no gulags! Amazing, isn't it? And, as far as I know, 5.the only one wanting to stripe liberties from anyone right now is Trump.

    1). So you ignore pretty much every bleeding-heart liberal (except maybe not the crazy liberals)? Seems legit.
    2). Twas' a joke.
    3). Don't forget Greece's deadbeat economy that everyone is trying to fund! Glorious, right? Don't we all love bankruptcy!
    4). Explain why freedoms such as freedom of privacy are being ignored for counter-terrorism, why our right to bear arms is being questioned even when states with lax gun laws have less murders and the fact that some democratic runners (Clinton) and the president are even a thing. Obama's birth certificate is a fake as well; if he was really born back then, how the hell does it have multiple layers? How about the fact that we currently have problems with the authoritarian left trying to censor everything for the sake of "equality". Aka political correctness. The very thing Trump wants DEAD. The same thing that causes censorship, and if put in a regime, would surely cause totalitarianism. And you've also forgot that other things like this happened in the past; if Jimmy Carter has a ban on Iranians as well as got Iranians deported from the US.

    He can't do anything about the Muslim people within the country already so long as they have citizenship. They aren't aliens.

    Also, why you think voting for Trump is beyond me. It's not odd for a country to close its borders to a nation it's at war with but Islam is not a nation, it's a religion. There is nothing that justifies what Trump is doing, he's a bigot and a fascist and if you want to talk WWII, he's behaving a lot more like the Nazi government than the US.

    Every candidate barring Bernie is a fascist, and Bernie would surely ruin our country. They're all paid by corporations, the Republicans are nationalistic ****wits and the Democrats are totalitarians. Whether you like it or not, you're either voting a fascist paid by corporations, a fascist paid by his own money, or a socialist who wants your money to pay for a taker's benefits.
     
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    It's not just a religion, it's a culture and way of life. One that is so backwards and repulsive that any civilised person would immediately reject it. I think it's justifiable enough to say NO to a culture as dominant as theirs that promotes the mistreatment of women and children. A National Socialist is definitely not what he is, a Nationalist and a Capitalist more like it.

    Sure it would be nice if we could all get along however, Islam is not a culture that fits with the West however I'm guessing we need to be the better people and lay down for them over being tolerant. Cultural Marxism and Liberalism are the big reasons for the problems we have seen in France and Europe. Do you want your children being raised in a world where they aren't safe?

    So are we not at war with Islam?
    https://www.express.co.uk/news/worl...error-raids-as-officers-seize-330-war-weapons
    https://speisa.com/modules/articles...-334-war-grade-weapons-found-223-arrests.html

    It's a religion. Culture is more complicated than religion.

    And we're not at war with Islam. If we were, then we would be bombing Iran, the Saudis, the Egyptians, the Lebanese, the Turks, and probably rounding up Muslims in our own countries, too.
     

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    Dude we're not bombing anybody in the middle east cause Obama's on their side, why do you think he's not doing a damn thing about any of this? And besides, you can't force an ideology. People can deny Obama's linked all they want but seriously, there's patterns and people need to start connecting them together. I don't know if people just know and their too afraid or they just are simply that deep in a sleep. But trust me, the links are there and they're blatant and clear to see.
    Obama scares the **** out of me just like Trump and Clinton scare me. I bet a small percentage of you guys know that a few days ago 2 Muslims speaking a foreign language purchased 59 cell phones from a Wal-Mart in Lebanon, MO. Call it what you want but to me it looks like they're planning a terrorist attack. Each phone can be used as a detonator which means they could bomb 60 major cities in the US. The FBI is on it and everything. I'm not saying that's what will happen but it could. If this were to happen it's a clear shot for Trump, that's the only way people would be convinced to elect him. Me, they're all horrible and we're screwed either way so yeah. We're at that point where no one can save us. Clinton and Trump both have the mentality of a modern day Hitler. Get strapped folks.
     
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    Some of the opinions in this thread are baffling. From an outside perspective, Obama has been an incredible blessing in trying to bring the US in line with the rest of the Western world. It's a shame that due to the weird congress (is that the right word?) system going on there lots of his efforts to move the US forward have been blocked.

    Alas, it seems many Americans hate him due to unjustifiable propaganda and just... well, lies.
     

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    Okay, this is all I wanted to know. You are beyond help. ta-ta!

    Give me proof that they have multi-layered pictures for birth certificates in 1961 because they never had that at that time.

    and if that wasn't enough:

    Socialism in this country will never work without enough makers. Our goods are already taxed six-fold by the time we buy them, we are already losing manufacturing jobs and he believes that global warming is a bigger threat and wealth redistribution than a strong islamic extremist group that wants us dead and easily has the capabilities to take out our power grid. You only need four transformers on the grid to be destroyed to plunge our country into darkness for a year.
     
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    It's a religion. Culture is more complicated than religion.

    And we're not at war with Islam. If we were, then we would be bombing Iran, the Saudis, the Egyptians, the Lebanese, the Turks, and probably rounding up Muslims in our own countries, too.

    There's this place called Israel, basically they're best buddies with America who gives them like a ridiculous amount of money every year and they're real tight. Now when Israel was given it's land no one around them liked them there because well Jews have a habit of being hated everywhere they've been in history. in case this interests you more here are the places. Anyway now this thing happened called the Six Day War. Basically Syria, Iraq, Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon backed by even more Muslim countries (including Kuwait) and they all got BTFO'd so hard by Israel. Now there's this thing called a proxy war which is what the first Gulf War was. You see, old mate Saddam Hussein agreed to withdraw from Kuwait if Israel withdrew from Palestine (yeah no one in the middle east likes the Jewish people and they're all salty). Now Israel didn't follow International Law instead America launched an attack on Iraq even though Iraq did not threaten their oil suppply or pose a danger to the US' interests. We've done plenty of bombing on these people but now we're arming rebels to dismantle the Assad Government ever since Arab Spring.

    I fail to see how it's culture is more complicated than their religion. In the middle east as well as many third world countries they are extremely religious. There religion is their culture which I find very respectable given the moral decadence of ours. Now their culture is something so vastly different that they don't integrate. Unless of course it's the lefts plan to have us assimilate into them which would be so ironic for the left given the oppressive ideals of Islam. These people have their religion and stick by it. We are dealing with rationalization at it's pinnacle and yet people like yourself would have us allow the "Death to the West". But of the Religion of Peace can do no evil can they? Because Rape is okay and hey if I had 100 lollies and 7 of them were poisonous I sure as hell would eat them hey

    "We lock our doors at night not because we hate the people outside of it. I lock my doors at night because I love the people inside."

    Obama has been an incredible blessing in trying to bring the US in line with the rest of the Western world.

    He was okay in his first term it was pretty fun and exciting but he has been so useless in his second term. All he's done is push the TPP and fire-arm bans and bomb those Doctors without Borders people for speaking against the TPP. But I'm not sure if he's a blessing like he's still continuing the unsettling of the Middle East but I'm not sure if that's just bureaucracy and hoop jumping (out of his control in just two terms).
     
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    I'm just going to go through here and dot point a few problems I've seen because I've been sleeping and stuff so I'm a bit behind now.

    1. A religion and a culture are never the same thing. A religion can be a common part of a culture but generally speaking a culture is much broader and there's a lot more to it than just religious beliefs. The US - in fact every country - is not at war with Islam nor is it at war with Middle Eastern culture. Countries are at war with ISIS, a radical military state that transcends borders. People need to learn this and stop targeting a whole religion based on the actions of terrorists because a lot of places are very quickly taking similar routes as ISIS without even realising and their providing ISIS vindication in the process. Let us not forget that back in the crusades it was Christianity that was the problem.

    2. There seems to be some misunderstanding of what fascism is. Let me help

    (in general use) extreme right-wing, authoritarian, or intolerant views or practices.

    Please tell me how this describes anyone currently running for President in the US besides Donald Trump. It definitely does not sound like Bernie Sanders.

    3. Socialism is not bad. Socialist practices are common place in many European countries - including those that are doing perfectly fine - and most capitalist governments still adopt a few socialist views/practices. Socialism would solve a lot of the problems we have in the world if human beings could stop being greedy and ignorant long enough for it to work.

    Basically, socialism isn't bad. People are bad.

    4. Obama is not a bad president. From what I can tell people don't like him just because he makes sense. His healthcare plan was the best thing to happen to the US healthcare system in years and his stance on gun control is what is best for the safety of the country. I'm not even going to argue more on the last point here though, I've done it in enough threads in here lately. Let me just say though that before you show me your "statistics showing how guns help" why don't you look at how much better countries with good gun laws are doing in regards to violent crime compared to the US?

    Basically, Obama is good. Propaganda and ignorance are bad.

    So we have established

    a) The US are not at war with Islam.

    b) Donald Trump is the only US candidate who is a fascist. Fascism is very bad. Hitler was a fascist and much of Trumps ideology is very similar to Hitler's.

    c) Socialism is not a problem, it's a solution that people are too ignorant to understand or too greedy to adopt. Considering the rampant divide between economic classes in the US, some more socialist political tactics would probably be rather helpful. The fear of socialism has been around since the Red Scare and it's still just as misinformed.

    d) Propaganda is bad and is misleading the general public to have problems with Obama's perfectly reasonable political views amongst plenty of other things.

    e) Donald Trump wants to target and persecute not only Muslims overseas but also those that already live in the US - including those who were born and raised as US citizens! Donald Trump is a fascist. Donald trump is heavily capitalist and will try to run the country like a business (this never benefits anyone besides people who are already rich). Trump likes to spread propaganda. All of the things that make Obama good, or Sanders good or even Clinton good are things that Trump lacks.​

    Considering all of this, what makes Trump good? Nothing. There is straight up nothing good about Donald Trump and whilst he might not run your economy into the ground he'll still destroy your country.
     
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    There's this place called Israel, basically they're best buddies with America who gives them like a ridiculous amount of money every year and they're real tight. Now when Israel was given it's land no one around them liked them there because well Jews have a habit of being hated everywhere they've been in history. in case this interests you more here are the places. Anyway now this thing happened called the Six Day War. Basically Syria, Iraq, Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon backed by even more Muslim countries (including Kuwait) and they all got BTFO'd so hard by Israel. Now there's this thing called a proxy war which is what the first Gulf War was. You see, old mate Saddam Hussein agreed to withdraw from Kuwait if Israel withdrew from Palestine (yeah no one in the middle east likes the Jewish people and they're all salty). Now Israel didn't follow International Law instead America launched an attack on Iraq even though Iraq did not threaten their oil suppply or pose a danger to the US' interests. We've done plenty of bombing on these people but now we're arming rebels to dismantle the Assad Government ever since Arab Spring.

    I fail to see how it's culture is more complicated than their religion. In the middle east as well as many third world countries they are extremely religious. There religion is their culture which I find very respectable given the moral decadence of ours. Now their culture is something so vastly different that they don't integrate. Unless of course it's the lefts plan to have us assimilate into them which would be so ironic for the left given the oppressive ideals of Islam. These people have their religion and stick by it. We are dealing with rationalization at it's pinnacle and yet people like yourself would have us allow the "Death to the West". But of the Religion of Peace can do no evil can they? Because Rape is okay and hey if I had 100 lollies and 7 of them were poisonous I sure as hell would eat them hey

    "We lock our doors at night not because we hate the people outside of it. I lock my doors at night because I love the people inside."



    He was okay in his first term it was pretty fun and exciting but he has been so useless in his second term. All he's done is push the TPP and fire-arm bans and bomb those Doctors without Borders people for speaking against the TPP. But I'm not sure if he's a blessing like he's still continuing the unsettling of the Middle East but I'm not sure if that's just bureaucracy and hoop jumping (out of his control in just two terms).

    Do you know where "death to the West" comes from? "Death to the West" doesn't even exist, actually, it's "death to America".
     

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    2. There seems to be some misunderstanding of what fascism is. Let me help



    Please tell me how this describes anyone currently running for President in the US besides Donald Trump. It definitely does not sound like Bernie Sanders.

    3. Socialism is not bad. Socialist practices are common place in many European countries - including those that are doing perfectly fine - and most capitalist governments still adopt a few socialist views/practices. Socialism would solve a lot of the problems we have in the world if human beings could stop being greedy and ignorant long enough for it to work.

    Basically, socialism isn't bad. People are bad.
    For Socialism, while it may not necessarily be a "bad" idea, here in America we have this epidemic where people believe the government should entitle them everything when they sit on their asses all day. Socialism cannot work if there are not enough Makers, and Socialism will eventually breed more Takers. Capitalism breeds more Makers and brings more innovation due to competition if it is regulated.

    For Fascism, it is what happens when we have a merger of Corporate and State power. For the democrats, barring Bernie, we have:
    A). Authoritarian choices backed by, you guessed it, corporations. While the Democrats aren't Fascist, the horseshoe effect can be seen. The authoritarian left is toxic, just like our authoritarian right.
    B). Corrupt politicians. See all of Clinton's scandals and shady background. Unsure of the others since the main ones are Bernie and Clinton.
    C). An obsession with political correctness, something which can limit our freedom of speech. It's sad we can't even call ISIS a bunch of Islamic terrorist.

    For the Republicans,
    A). Trump and Bush. 'Nuff said.
    B). Anti-illegal immigration, which could be seen as nationalistic.
    C). Obviously right-wing.
    D). Would probably annex the Middle East for the oil if they had the chance.
    E). Bush did 9/11. <Don't take this serious for god's sake.
    E). The Republicans brand themselves as the Nationalist party.

    I know a Fascist breeding ground when I see it. Half my family lived during the shitty conditions that Mussolini brought into Italy. Fascism should be burnt to the ground.
     
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    b) Donald Trump is the only US candidate who is a fascist. Fascism is very bad. Hitler was a fascist and much of Trumps ideology is very similar to Hitler's.

    e) Donald Trump wants to target and persecute not only Muslims overseas but also those that already live in the US - including those who were born and raised as US citizens! Donald Trump is a fascist. Donald trump is heavily capitalist and will try to run the country like a business (this never benefits anyone besides people who are already rich). Trump likes to spread propaganda. All of the things that make Obama good, or Sanders good or even Clinton good are things that Trump lacks.​

    Considering all of this, what makes Trump good? Nothing. There is straight up nothing good about Donald Trump and whilst he might not run your economy into the ground he'll still destroy your country.


    Do you know what Nazism is? It isn't fascism it's National Socialism, basically right-wing social views but left-wing economic views.

    You do know that Trump wants to tax the rich more to fix the national debt. He even wants to lower the income tax for all Americans. I'm guessing you sure didn't believe the hype. Because who doesn't want 80% income tax, the continuation of being 'World Police' and better yet equity disguised as equality.

    Do you know where "death to the West" comes from? "Death to the West" doesn't even exist, actually, it's "death to America".

    oh boy
     
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    I have sourced plenty in this thread. Also I don't think you picked up that I was making humour of the subject.

    Muslims aren't bad on their own here in Australia. They're very odd people but that's definitely because it's a very different place to them but when they get in groups they're very different especially because of how religious most of them are. They're not allowed to drink ever but when they do they can't handle the drink and get munted off one sip. They can't even drop a knee for 3 minutes, absolutely weak.

    "Death to America" is an Iranian thing. It's not a Muslim thing. They started chanting it in opposition to the dictatorial monarchy that the US supported. "Death to the West" is from the movie "The Dictator" by Sasha Baron Cohen.

    Clearly culture is more complicated than just religion. Your description of Muslims in this thread is nothing short of slanderous.
     
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    Regardless of your political opinions, nobody in here gets to generalise or be offensive to any group. Keep the discussion to Trump's politics.
     

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    "Death to America" is an Iranian thing. It's not a Muslim thing. They started chanting it in opposition to the dictatorial monarchy that the US supported. "Death to the West" is from the movie "The Dictator" by Sasha Baron Cohen.

    Clearly culture is more complicated than just religion. Your description of Muslims in this thread is nothing short of slanderous.

    lmao
    Are you one of those people who wants safe spaces in universities, censorship and a lovely police state to call home.
    Jeez I sure must be lying when I have actually cited stuff.

    [x] Did the journalist, police and myself lie about this?

    I'm guessing your education is extremely limited. Those who don't follow the Quran are infidels in the eyes of their version of God (yes Judaism, Christianity and Islam believe in the same God shocking isn't it). Now to make sure you understand people aren't the same in the middle east, they look different, talk different, eat different. It's a different culture, ethnic group, geographic region. Now over there they don't follow the same kind of rules as us. Women aren't really treated as humans but more like goods, (however the Quran does say that you mistreat your wife you are a bad person. I don't want to compare it to keeping your desk clean because it's degenerate to treat women with disrespect but we gotta make sure you understand.), punishment is much more severe and less lenient than what it is like here in the West. That is just the case with third-world countries and very religious ones. Now these people respectably take their religious text seriously and follow it. Now the Quran says to slaughter infidels heaps in it right (109 at the least the rest can be very ambiguous and interpretive but that could just be translation.).

    So these people are seeking economic refuge in Europe, Australia and America right. Generally being young men with very few women and children in the groups. They keep their religion with them which is a lot better than the last refugee crisis we had where the Vietnamese had to change religions just to be treated fairly by dear Diem. Anyway more to the point something like the Paris attacks happens or that town of 200 people that were receiving heaps of refugees [x]

    It is your nations obligation to keep you safe. To keep you, a born citizen of your country safe. Anyone who threatens your safety should not be put above it's nations peoples. The problem we see in Europe is that the countries aren't putting their nations peoples above the interests of Ahmed and the Clock Gang. It's a fact that where the refugees go that crime goes up.[x][x].

    So our nations leaders face a problem. Do they let these kind of things happen just so they look progressive and that they're the good guys or do they do something wrong now so that further down the lane it will be good. It just so happens that Trump has decided to do just that. But I am very sure that plenty of people agree that the Saudi's need to reform Islam because there are those groups around and we can all count on it that they will do something again. We sadly have to generalize in order for everyone to be safe because I don't think anyone wants their child raped by anyone, they don't want to be caught in a city siege. Trump is not unconstitutional from the statement he gave or we all become Islamic and you know ISIS is stopped I guess but I know they have plans for becoming a country which would really heat things up in world relations.
     
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    lmao
    Are you one of those people who wants safe spaces in universities, censorship and a lovely police state to call home.

    You couldn't be farther from the mark.

    Jeez I sure must be lying when I have actually cited stuff.

    [x] Did the journalist, police and myself lie about this?

    You're not lying; you just don't get the big picture.

    I'm guessing your education is extremely limited. Those who don't follow the Quran are infidels in the eyes of their version of God (yes Judaism, Christianity and Islam believe in the same God shocking isn't it). Now to make sure you understand people aren't the same in the middle east, they look different, talk different, eat different. It's a different culture, ethnic group, geographic region. Now over there they don't follow the same kind of rules as us. Women aren't really treated as humans but more like goods, (however the Quran does say that you mistreat your wife you are a bad person. I don't want to compare it to keeping your desk clean because it's degenerate to treat women with disrespect but we gotta make sure you understand.), punishment is much more severe and less lenient than what it is like here in the West. That is just the case with third-world countries and very religious ones. Now these people respectably take their religious text seriously and follow it. Now the Quran says to slaughter infidels heaps in it right (109 at the least the rest can be very ambiguous and interpretive but that could just be translation.).

    If Muslims from "over there" take their holy book that seriously, I'm surprised that not one of my Muslim friends have attempted to kill me in the many years that I've known them.

    So these people are seeking economic refuge in Europe, Australia and America right. Generally being young men with very few women and children in the groups. They keep their religion with them which is a lot better than the last refugee crisis we had where the Vietnamese had to change religions just to be treated fairly by dear Diem. Anyway more to the point something like the Paris attacks happens or that town of 200 people that were receiving heaps of refugees [x]

    It is your nations obligation to keep you safe. To keep you, a born citizen of your country safe. Anyone who threatens your safety should not be put above it's nations peoples. The problem we see in Europe is that the countries aren't putting their nations peoples above the interests of Ahmed and the Clock Gang. It's a fact that where the refugees go that crime goes up.[x][x].

    Not sure what the Vietnamese have to do with this thread. I agree that it's your nation's obligation to keep you safe. But at the same time humanitarian aid should given to those who need it. I wonder if people who are so against accepting refugees would change their mind if there's ever a nuclear war between NATO and Russia.

    So our nations leaders face a problem. Do they let these kind of things happen just so they look progressive and that they're the good guys or do they do something wrong now so that further down the lane it will be good. It just so happens that Trump has decided to do just that. But I am very sure that plenty of people agree that the Saudi's need to reform Islam because there are those groups around and we can all count on it that they will do something again. We sadly have to generalize in order for everyone to be safe because I don't think anyone wants their child raped by anyone, they don't want to be caught in a city siege. Trump is not unconstitutional from the statement he gave or we all become Islamic and you know ISIS is stopped I guess but I know they have plans for becoming a country which would really heat things up in world relations.

    And you're rambling now.

    You generalize when you're incapable of understanding the complexity that exists in the real world. Trump may or may not be unconstitutional, but it's highly unlikely he'd take the decision anyways because he will upset everybody except for the far right.
     
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