News: Bikes and HMs gone in Sun and Moon

bobandbill said:

Two more staples of the series seem to be gone! The Move Deleter has made Pokemon forget HMs permanently,

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HALLELUJAH!



FINALLY! Now those dumb slot wasters won't limit my team's TRUE potiential! Thank you Pokéride, with this kind deed surely you can do no wrong-

bobandbill said:

and Tauros probably ran over your bike too.

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WH-WHA-WHYYYYY? 'Sobs' I loved the bike! D:

Ah well, I kind of had a feeling it wouldn't be returning after I first saw Pokéride. I guess Tauros/Stoutland/Mudsdale will serve a good replacement...

The only bad thing about this is that I might have to hold B while hatching eggs now.

HMs being gone is fantastic. It should have happened years ago.

So many changes, wowzers. I figured HMs would become a thing of the past one day, but I didn't expect it this soon. It's good to see that they've turned them into TMs, but it'd be even better if certain Pokémon just possessed the ability to Surf/Fly/climb waterfalls etc. without it needing to occupy a moveslot.

As for the bike being removed, it'll probably take some getting used to, but I barely even used it anyways in X and Y. Hopefully riding Pokémon will serve as a good replacement.

I'm happy with the removal of the HM's, but I'm a bit annoyed that the number of TM's isn't raised. I hope some technique are still available with battle points or any other method.

Good riddance to HM moves that cannot be overwritten. The absence of bikes makes me wonder how eggs will be handled this gen.

Pinkie-Dawn said:

Verlisify is gonna be ticked when he hears about the removal of bikes, because we have yet to know if PokeRides will also hatch eggs faster than normal walking.

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Oo I hadn't thought about this actually. Hoping PokeRide actually is faster!

Hopefully we can get Move Tutors for moves that were in Gen 1 like in Gen 3. ORAS could of gave us the Move Tutors for those moves but they didn't.

I just hope there's move tutors (and I mean like the BW2/ORAS ones, not the guys who teach you the elemental hyper beams and shit like that) period. They've had this tendency to only include them every other game for some stupid ass reason. Given that we had them in ORAS, I wouldn't be surprised if they aren't in Sun/Moon. But I really hope that's not the case.

I just hope Surf and Fly are still available as a TM! And that the game will be more difficult with these changes.

I really want the bike though... what about egg hatching and transportation?

colours said:

They are available as TMs.

And we'll have to find out about egg hatching, although I wouldn't be surprised if riding Tauros or really any other Pokemon counts towards steps to hatching eggs. As far as Transportation... I assume you just ride on Charizard and Mega Sharpedo to get where you want to go? What kind of transportation do you mean?

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I can ride a Charizard in this game? on routes?

Riding pokemons is more fun and I have more space.

Gen 3 had Gen 1 TM available as Move Tutors like Softboiled on Chansey.

Wow I didn't know this yet! So glad about HM removal, because 'cut'. Kinda sad about the bikes, mainly because I liked the bike music. But I don't mind riding a Tauros at all. And thank pokemon for using logic with the riding suit.

I didn't play the demo yet when I posted that, thanks for telling me :D. I did hear the Tauros theme and I liked it. I am glad they kept some HMs as Tms though, as I love surf.

I'm fine with the HM changes (my favorites seem to still be present as TMs, and HMs have been a bit of a pain anyway), but I'm going to miss the bike. I wonder how breeding will work without cycling. Also, I haven't had a chance to play the demo yet, so I'll have to figure out what I think of riding Pokemon as a replacement.

Do you have to have a Pokemon in your party to ride it, or can you access it from afar like with Lati@s soaring in ORAS? I don't want to have to cut down the number of eggs I can carry while breeding even more in order to have a Pokemon to speed things up + a flame body Pokemon.

colours said:

You can call upon specific rideable Pokemon, if the demo tells me anything (and as far as I know). And no, they aren't in your party, so you can call upon them whenever.

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So more like soaring in ORAS, then? Sounds good to me. I guess the one concern could be if you couldn't get a fast enough riding Pokemon early enough in the game, but I'm sure they design things so that you'll have access to faster Pokemon, flying Pokemon, etc., in due course.

I really ought to find some time to play the demo!

The needed use of HM's is finally gone?

YAAASSSSS

Not gonna miss hm's myself, it would be cool if you still got a bike. Still riding a Tauros though is awesome.

Good bye HM slaves not gonna miss you taking up a valuble spot in my party.