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What do you, as either a reader or writer, think of Deus ex Machinas to end Fiction?

Two words. Gurren Lagann. That anime is made of whipping things out of nowhere. And it's awesome.
 
WHO THE HELL DO YOU THINK WE ARE?

What do you, as either a reader or writer, think of Deus ex Machinas to end Fiction?
Hmm, no. I don't like them. If something big and awesome comes in to save the day, that's fine, as long as it's properly explained. Pulling something out of nowhere is *generally* a sign that the author is struggling to end a story convincingly.
 
What do you, as either a reader or writer, think of Deus ex Machinas to end Fiction?

I think if the story, overall conveys it leading up to that point, in such a way that it makes sense, it could be okay. One story I do remember as DEM ending, was The Chryssalids. I didn't like the story though, but not for the ending... I think at this point, it would also depend on the character.
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Okay, so I figure that since I got the whole day, I will try to do something with my fic...

But, I would also like to play with ideas of a Mass Effect fic, now I assume there aren't many here who have played the game, but finding a year to begin, is somewhat difficult (what with some of the events in game). Not to mention the third game having yet to come out. I'd also have to explain biotics. Though I think I can keep the science down, as long as I say what it basically does. "FTL drives (faster than lightspeed drives) etc. I mean it sort of sounds self explanatory. Like all one would need to know, that is now there is instantaneous travel. Unless of course my character was an engineer XD >.>
 
*kicks FFL*

COME ON. 24 25 hours with no posts? What is wrong with you us? Sooo, bold topic.

*thinks*

How do you advertise your fic, if at all? Do you really believe it makes a difference how you present your story, or are you a hardcase content person?

Me, I like to be a little exhibitionistic (word?) at times. Seeing as I like using GIMP, it's great fun to make banners and things for my fics, and I really think they work. I've seen people who declaim this practice, though, and I was wondering what you guys thought.

Ooh, ooh, example!:
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Spoiler'd due to size. I spent ages making that. XD
 
How do you advertise your fic, if at all? Do you really believe it makes a difference how you present your story, or are you a hardcase content person?

I have a banner that I need to put up that a friend pn Pe2K made, and the banner I use in the first post of my fic is part of a poster my irl best friend painted for me. Other than that, I try to draw some fan art here and there.

By the way, Misheard Whisper, that is an awesome drawing! I love the wires and the legs.

- Kat
 
Misheard Whisper said:
Ooh, ooh, example!:
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Spoiler'd due to size. I spent ages making that. XD
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Now I can vaguely guess what Anti looks like. XD
The only complaints I have on the pic is that I preferred Rin's golden hair and the clothes with yellow trimmings... So it's mostly colour, but I like the rest of it. :3

How do you advertise your fic, if at all? Do you really believe it makes a difference how you present your story, or are you a hardcase content person?
I actually like to make banners and such, but now I'm feeling lazy so I haven't made one for NG-137 just yet. For now, the links to both my fics in my sig should suffice, but I think my former banner managed to bring people in to read it. XD
 
How do you advertise your fic, if at all? Do you really believe it makes a difference how you present your story, or are you a hardcase content person?
Back when I cared about getting new readers, I would have a banner in my sig. Lately, I haven't so much as mentioned/linked to my fic in my sig. My current sig does feature my OC, but still with no link to the fic and the sig is mostly to show off Lisa's kawaii character design rather than promote my fic.
 
Misheard Whisper said:
*kicks FFL*

COME ON. 24 25 hours with no posts? What is wrong with you us? Sooo, bold topic.
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Lots of things, where should we begin?

How do you advertise your fic, if at all? Do you really believe it makes a difference how you present your story, or are you a hardcase content person?
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If When I post the fic I'm currently working on, I will either just have a link, or make a banner for my signature. But first I need to finish this damn book I'm reading. I can't will myself to do anything until the stupid thing is done with. Only 130 pages left so Hopefully I can finish it tonight, and then I am not picking up another book until I have all of my current projects finished. (other than the book, I have about give going on right now.)

Since people are showing off their art:
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How do you advertise your fic, if at all? Do you really believe it makes a difference how you present your story, or are you a hardcase content person?

Of course I try to make the content of the story as good as possible, but I also know for a fact that potential readers seem to hate me for whatever reason, so I do try to promote my fic in whatever manner would seem polite (i.e., no commenting on people's profiles saying "Read my fic, please!"). That includes, of course, banners and fanart. My dA gallery is flooded with artwork from Delta Species and other stories, and of course we've got the nice, shiny hand-drawn banner I've currently taken off my sig in favor of Zero. Woot.
 
Lots of things, where should we begin?
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With the obvious mental instability that comes with writing...

Seriously though, where is everyone? It's kind of depressing coming here and seeing like three posts after a day...

To top it off, not many are replying to my VM's lately...
Is it because they're busy or do I offend in some way...
 
Busy more than likely. We each have our own world domination plans, and sometimes some time must be devoted to that rather than the FFL. =P But don't worry MW - doubt people have qualms with you. =/

How do you advertise your fic, if at all? Do you really believe it makes a difference how you present your story, or are you a hardcase content person?

The old 'use a shiny banner' method, really (which is currently not here due to me with this theme for HGSS's upcoming release, whee). I also read and review fics from time to time, and just post around, so the more people that see my banner, the more likely someone will eventually click it, really. Don't think I've taken to other methods of advertisement...
 
In a little link in my signature.

'tis a shame it's overshadowed by the awesomeness of Kay Faraday. =|
 
Phantom Kat said:
By the way, Misheard Whisper, that is an awesome drawing! I love the wires and the legs.
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Hey whoa, like I said (in very small font, admittedly) I didn't draw it. I just took the lineart and coloured it. :o
 
Right, maybe to bring back a spark into the Lounge...

I was wondering what rights do we, as Fanfiction writer's, own on our respective pieces of fiction. Sure some don't consider it illegal as long as no profit is gained, but if somehow Gamefreak/whoever makes the Pokemon movies were to randomly pick a Pokemon fanfic and use it for their next movie, what rights do we have in the matter?

Intellectual rights or something?


Just wondering of course...
 
How do you advertise your fic, if at all? Do you really believe it makes a difference how you present your story, or are you a hardcase content person?

Back when I was doing NE, I had a signature made by Gummy, but I took it down when I finished with that story. I still have the link in my sig, though. :P At Serebii though, I got a new sig, which probably explains why I had a bigger reader base there. XD

For Heart of the Sea, I have a link in my sig. I could put that fanfic banner here, but PC is moreso dominated by sig themes. :<

I think it goes both ways. There's the saying "don't judge the book by its cover," but it happens, so you'll need something of an eye catcher. However, if you're able to find a story with good content, then eventually word of mouth will help a lot.

Mizan de la Plume Kuro said:
Right, maybe to bring back a spark into the Lounge...

I was wondering what rights do we, as Fanfiction writer's, own on our respective pieces of fiction. Sure some don't consider it illegal as long as no profit is gained, but if somehow Gamefreak/whoever makes the Pokemon movies were to randomly pick a Pokemon fanfic and use it for their next movie, what rights do we have in the matter?

Intellectual rights or something?


Just wondering of course...
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I would say depends if you're using certain canon events and characters. This can be about the Pokemon too. If yes, then get prepared to be used once they really find out you're using their stuff without permission. :x However, if you got fake regions and original characters, then you'll have the intellectual rights.
 
Mizan de la Plume Kuro said:
Right, maybe to bring back a spark into the Lounge...

I was wondering what rights do we, as Fanfiction writer's, own on our respective pieces of fiction. Sure some don't consider it illegal as long as no profit is gained, but if somehow Gamefreak/whoever makes the Pokemon movies were to randomly pick a Pokemon fanfic and use it for their next movie, what rights do we have in the matter?

Intellectual rights or something?


Just wondering of course...
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That is a horrifically gray area that requires some research into getting anywhere close to an answer. There's some debate as to how much a person owns when they write fanfiction. The story itself? The original characters? Or can the original original creators swoop right in and sue our pants off? Some say yes, since it's some bizarre "we ruining the original creators livelihood by writing about their characters". Some say "meh, they ain't making profit off it, but once they do KILL THEM ALL!"

There's a few debates out there that I've seen about this because it is so confusing.

And I know I had a point in that paragraph, but it became a rant and a combination of British and American grammar.

Mizan de la Plume Kuro said:
To top it off, not many are replying to my VM's lately...
Is it because they're busy or do I offend in some way...
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Overworked, under-appreciated, and criminally insane.

Misheard Whisper said:
How do you advertise your fic, if at all? Do you really believe it makes a difference how you present your story, or are you a hardcase content person?
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Whatever fics I did post here, I just really kind of figured "Well, my name is known in the section... That should be good enough!"

Banners in signatures are good for catching potential readers' eyes. They're drawn to the image, and if it's interesting enough with either a good catchphrase or the picture itself, they'll hopefully click on the link to see what it's all about.

Still, the fic itself should deliver. I mean, you can have the prettiest packaging in the world ever but if your fic isn't good than you just have a pretty picture. ("Good" is a more personal thing here?)

Enjoy my teal deers.
 
Mizan de la Plume Kuro said:
Right, maybe to bring back a spark into the Lounge...

I was wondering what rights do we, as Fanfiction writer's, own on our respective pieces of fiction. Sure some don't consider it illegal as long as no profit is gained, but if somehow Gamefreak/whoever makes the Pokemon movies were to randomly pick a Pokemon fanfic and use it for their next movie, what rights do we have in the matter?

Intellectual rights or something?


Just wondering of course...
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Assuming we don't gain profit, in terms of gamefreak it would be okay. As for taking our own ideas and using them, I would guess that Pokecommunity owns those rights, it's something to do with the ToS. And even then, it might say something about us owning our own posts (like that someone couldn't take our work). So we might be protected under that.

Too late for me to think otherwise, but the ToS might be worth a read.
 
Astinus said:
That is a horrifically gray area that requires some research into getting anywhere close to an answer. There's some debate as to how much a person owns when they write fanfiction. The story itself? The original characters? Or can the original original creators swoop right in and sue our pants off? Some say yes, since it's some bizarre "we ruining the original creators livelihood by writing about their characters". Some say "meh, they ain't making profit off it, but once they do KILL THEM ALL!"
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The basic story of the idea, unless it's an unoriginal OT fic, is usually created wholly by the writer. The premise/setting on the other hand, is based of Pokemon. So yeah, what happens if they do take fanfiction of the net and make it into a movie without our permission. Can we sue them?

Overworked, under-appreciated, and criminally insane.
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Wasn't just referring to you, but I hope you're okay. :D

Too late for me to think otherwise, but the ToS might be worth a read.
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Strangely, I do occasionally read the ToS of some programs. Weird as it might sound... :/

However, if you got fake regions and original characters, then you'll have the intellectual rights.
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Although, it's still Pokemon so...
That actually reminds me of that case where J.K. Rowling's being sued.

Apart from that, I've got my hands on a copy of the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy. :3
 
On a very very quick scan of the Wiki page:

The attitude of copyright holders toward incorporating fan fiction into the canon varies. It is generally the case that the writers hired for a television series or movie are under strict orders not to read fan fiction out of fear that doing so will cause the copyright holder to be sued later for infringement.
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Maybe start from that page and PC's TOS?

That actually reminds me of that case where J.K. Rowling's being sued.
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Hurm. Make a typical joke about another book series or not? Decisions. Decisions.
 
Mizan de la Plume Kuro said:
Strangely, I do occasionally read the ToS of some programs. Weird as it might sound... :/
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Not weird at all! I've had to read some NDAs as well just in case, but like ToS, they can be pretty important, after one can't be entirely sure what they're saying 'yes' to.
 
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