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Freedom of Speech

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Just what does the right to Freedom of Speech cover? Where are it's boundaries? To what extent is censorship acceptable, if at all? Discuss anything related.
 
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Hard to say exactly. It shouldn't be completely limitless, but it should at minimum cover freedom to criticize the government or others in power. I'd say it's somewhere in the middle, closer to limitless end of the scale, but not quite there.
 

Palamon

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I feel like Freedom of Speech is extremely flawed. You should be allowed to speak against political powers, and whatnot, but you shouldn't use Freedom of Speech for obviously immoral things, like saying you're going to inflict violence upon others. That's the boundary, I guess, what have you.

Basically, what I'm saying it, you shouldn't be allowed to use Freedom of Speech to say whatever you want, but you should be allowed to speak against/criticize political powers. That kind of thing.
 

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I agree with Vivace and Esper. Freedom of speech shouldn't be unlimited. You should be able to criticize government, others, etc, but you shouldn't be allowed to threaten others. Nor should you be able to slander and libel others.
 

Caaethil

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"I really don't like Steve" / "I really don't like the government" - Sure bro, have fun.

"I'm going to murder Steve" / "I'm going to bomb parliament" - Okay, don't blame the government when they take preventative measures.

Say whatever you damn well please, but we'll take your word for it. Because assuming you're a liar would be unfair, right?
 

killer-curry

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Well, nothing exactly that freedom as you imagine. In reality, we still need some limitations just not to cross over the borderline in terms of the topic/issue sensitivity, consideration about the public and also respects.

Sometimes, words can be the justice for people to say the truth or expressing their opinions but sometimes words can be a weapon that can kill someone's heart and also engage an unwanted fight between races, religion or even countries.
 

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Freedom of speech has been restricted in various ways that protect public safety, but ultimately, the government can't ban offensive speech. Just like you can't ban someone from calling a gay man a fairy or a f****t, you also can't ban someone desecrating the flag (which surprisingly has been defended by the U.S. government since the 60s). However, freedom of speech doesn't entail freedom from social consequences, and that doesn't stop individual businesses/universities/entities from determining what kind of speech is allowed on their premises and what isn't. If we hold people accountable for what they say, just as much as we do with the actions they take, there shouldn't be issues with freedom of speech.
 

Dter ic

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Freedom of speech means that you can express your belief or view on something but does not necessarily imply that it can be said without consequences. E.g. announcing threats of violence.

I believe one extreme take of censorship would be if someone were to criticise an authority figure or government and that person was later killed or forced to go silent on their view. That, or if information that negatively portrays a person or authority is publicly inaccessible.
 

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Freedom of Speech as a principle literally exists to allow people an outlet to openly criticize their govt. and hold them to account. It doesn't mean you can spout whatever you want to whoever you want without consequence.
 
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People should absolutely be held accountable for their words. It's one thing to say "I don't like PC user Shindou Takuto" but another thing to say "PC user Shindou Takuto should kill themself"

This goes double for hate speech.
 

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The two models for free speech I consider are the American model, which is designed to protect the perpetrator, and the European or Canadian model, which protects the victim. For example, in the US it is legal for Neo-Nazis to march through a Jewish neighbourhood(assuming they don't "incite violence"), but in these other countries it usually wouldn't be allowed. I tend to favour this latter case, because I would argue that said Neo-Nazis are inciting violence.

To put it more broadly, I think it should be fine to say you don't like a person or group, but I'd draw the line at incitement of violence, which I believe should include hate speech and propaganda, at least if they can be proven to have the intention to lead to violence.
 

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The US model of free speech is what I believe to be the gold standard. All speech is permissible with a few narrowly defined exceptions, such as true threats, obscenity, defamation, fraud, incitement, and speech integral to criminal conduct. I think that other than obscenity, these exceptions make perfect sense and are both necessary and sufficient to protect the rights of other people.

I don't think that other proposed exceptions to free speech provide any additional necessary protection and I think such exceptions would be used to stifle a great deal of important speech. The First Amendment is a restriction on the government; it restricts the government from making laws that tell you what you can or cannot say. Exceptions to the First Amendment will be applied unilaterally by people on both sides. If we make an exception for hate speech, it will be used by those on the right to attack and silence speech they see as anti-Christian, anti-white, anti-male, etc. Blasphemy laws would necessarily end up stifling a great deal of satire that pokes fun at various religions. An exception that prohibits depictions of animal cruelty could be used by the meat industry against animal rights groups trying to portray bad farming conditions.

When you speak out against wrongdoing, when you say something that makes someone look bad, the people responsible often want nothing more than to silence you. This is what the First Amendment protects us from. Any time you propose a content-based exception to free speech, understand that it will be used by bad people against good people. That's why we need strong free speech protections. Yes, as a result, you get a lot of nasty and hurtful speech out there. The best response to that is positive, productive speech. Westboro Baptist Church gets away with saying and doing a lot of really nasty stuff, and as a result you have the groups like the Patriot Guard Riders who stepped up and did far more good in response. WBC's awfulness also constantly serves to make others aware that people like that do exist, that their brand of hate isn't dead, and that we always need people to speak out against that kind of hatred. Evil is much more sinister when it's hiding and nothing lets it hide better than permitting censorship.
 

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Freedom of Speech is just an illusion, no one have it for real
 

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While I am atheist, I do follow a moral code, surprisingly that of the Satanic Temple.

The seven Satanic tenants are good ideals to abide by, and many can apply to free speech; in particular the fourth.

"The freedoms of others should be respected, including the freedom to offend. To willfully and unjustly encroach upon the freedoms of another is to forgo your own."

Basically, you are free to speak your mind, and you cannot prevent others from doing so because it means you forsake your right to do the same.

On the other hand, there are the Nine statements, which basically say, you can speak your mind, but you need to be aware of the consequences of doing so.

Essentially: Call me every name in the book. Make your threats. But when I defend myself, whether verbally, physically, or by the aid of others, know I am simply enacting my own free speech.
 

Melody

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I'm a firm believer in Freedom of Speech. It is certainly a golden standard we should try to uphold in most cases.

Now, while you may say whatever you want and whatever you feel, you can't expect that to go entirely without consequence. Freedom of Speech as a right only protects you from Government, Police, and from idiots trying to justify infringement upon your other basic human rights by claiming you said something they, in a nutshell, didn't like.

You cannot perform some discriminatory act and claim it as "Free Speech"
 

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It's already been identified that speech that incites violence upon someone or their rights is not protected by freedom of speech. I can't really add anything to that, but that the matters of inciting violence would have to be discussed on the specific scenario. I will say that saying hurtful things aren't inciting violence and can happen. We can't really pick and choose favorites when it comes to rules and freedoms so there's that too.
 
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