Is the franchise coming to an end?

[colours]

Time to explain the whole "Star Wars tragedy" thing.

That had a very similar hype (or anti-hype) season to Sw/Sh.

i think you're listening way too hard to internet pokemon fan communities which tend to, more often than not, be loud vocal minorities.

 

[Child Amnesiac]

i think you're listening way too hard to internet pokemon fan communities which tend to, more often than not, be loud vocal minorities.

I can't help it.

The complainers are inescapable, and have completely destroyed my mental state.

I would be kind of happy if the series ended in fact, I don't want to have to say that.

But if it saves me from completely losing it, or worse. I would be happy knowing I would be better off without it.

I would take a couple weeks of sobbing at the series' grave to a couple months of complaining about what the series has become.

Ever since June, my life has just been this downward spiral. I just want this mental pain to end.

I just want these Youtubers that took advantage of this whole dexit scandal to get exposed for who they really are: frauds.

Hell, the most vocal critic of these past few months was a Sonic fanboy for god's sake. He and all the others who made content on this didn't care about this whole scandal, all they cared about was money and attention. I want those people to have the curtain pulled back on them, and have them exposed for who they really are.

They just propagate this notion of "Sword and Shield bad", because it's what their fan bases want to hear. It's just more food for their confirmation bias, that's all they feed on. They don't listen to what they need to hear, they just want to listen to this repetitive and one-sided garbage that just feeds into their bias.

They all just say the same thing, they're all just NPCs. They don't accept different points of view, because they just want this low quality, high volume, and biased content. They don't want to be challenged, they don't want to say "huh, I never thought about it that way". They just want to hear the same argument over and over again from these people who just tell them what they want to hear.

Sorry about that tangential rant, I just had to get that out.

 

[colours]

okay so, here's the thing:

you're subjecting yourself to watching the content of clickbait poketubers who make videos solely to jump on the Game Freak hatewagon 'cause it gets them views. no one is forcing you to watch them and if you see it on your youtube recommended feed you can simply tell youtube not to show you that kind of crappy content and boom, it's done. no one's forcing you to watch them, and it's clear that you don't enjoy the moaning and bitching, so.... the simple solution would be not to surround yourself with more of it?

in a sense, i get it. the complaining was louder this year than previous years (no thanks to Game Freak having pretty bad PR, for one), but otherwise it's really not any different. certainly nowhere near enough to spell the doom of the franchise. and really, with all due respect, while i can understand that the negativity can be draining to deal with, ultimately the person who's going to make the decision to buy the game or not is you (generally speaking, not specifically), and so you should make that decision based on whether or not you think YOU would enjoy the game, not based on internet mob hate.

 

[HeroLinik]

Okay, so? It's not like Pokemon hasn't had big controversies before. Think back to Pokemon Ruby/Sapphire, people were extremely upset about how you couldn't transfer Pokemon from the previous gens. Did the franchise end? No. Again, Pokemon isn't going anywhere. Stars Wars =/= Pokemon.

However, the thing is here that there is completely different reasoning behind the cuts in RS, and the cuts in SwSh. With RS, it was because of technical reasons, it was physically impossible to transfer from GSC, resulting in 186 mons not being available until FRLG and Emerald. However, the fan reception was still negative, and it was at this point that a lot of people began dropping out of the series largely owing to this. Tying with this, this was also when a lot of people who had grown up with the older games were "growing out of" Pokemon, and were entering high school/college. To them, Pokemon seemed like a kids' game, and the bad reception RS was getting wouldn't help matters.

With the cuts in SwSh, the problem here isn't the cuts, it's the reasoning that GF gave, and the fact that it seems like they won't listen to the fans. There doesn't seem to be a definite concrete reason why they decided to cut the mons; they've danced around a few reasons already but the fans have been quick to shoot each one down based on a facet shown in the trailers (for example: "improve the visuals" has been shot down with fans pointing out how bad some attack animations are). When the game was leaked and it was revealed of the size of the dex, it only threw gasoline on the fire because people expected a larger dex with the cuts.

And even now, on even unrelated tweets from Pokemon's Twitter account, people are commenting related to the cuts and how they want all the Pokemon in the game. While I don't think it's going to do anything, only time will tell what will happen in future.

 

[Child Amnesiac]

okay so, here's the thing:

you're subjecting yourself to watching the content of clickbait poketubers who make videos solely to jump on the Game Freak hatewagon 'cause it gets them views. no one is forcing you to watch them and if you see it on your youtube recommended feed you can simply tell youtube not to show you that kind of crappy content and boom, it's done. no one's forcing you to watch them, and it's clear that you don't enjoy the moaning and bitching, so.... the simple solution would be not to surround yourself with more of it?

I don't watch them, they have appeared in my recommended section and I have blocked them, rightfully so.

But, that doesn't change nor does it erase the fact that they are the ones who are guilty for the decline of my mental health.

Believe it or not, I'm not signed into YT 24/7. I like to explore videos without being logged in, and that's what causes problems.

These Youtubers like to game the system using clickbait and poor arguments in order to get a rise out of people, therefore get more likes/dislikes, and therefore getting promoted more in the algorithm.

You want to know how toxic this kind of content is (or at least was) in the algorithm?

Remember that Sonic fanboy (who's name will not be uttered in this household!)? Well, one of his videos appeared in the sidebar of a Simplefips Shitpost.
You actually can't make this up, I wish I had screen caped it, but I saw it with my own eyes.

Another example, (from someone else who's name I won't say because he might sick his "mommy"on me). Came on another Simpleflips Shitpost, called: "1, 2 oatmeal Kirby is a menace to society". Here's a link to test this for yourself:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hC9adq3wfv8

I don't know if it'll happen to you, but it sure as hell happened to me.

That video and the other are not Pokemon related in any way shape or form. So, why is there content related to Sw/Sh in the sidebar?

Jeez, where is this thread going?

 

[Palamon]

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Well... yeah, you're right. About the cuts thing being different...

I hear this complaint a lot about R/S/E that "you have to have every generation III game to catch them all".

I wasn't really around the Pokemon scene yet during the early 2000s, but I remember when I got into Pokemon, this adult was telling me: "Pokemon is dead" or something. (back in 2007 back a month before D/P) came out.

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Anyway, Child Amnesiac, if the whole sword shield thing bothers you, just make a new youtube account and watch different videos that have nothing to do with it, is that really that difficult?

 

[Child Amnesiac]

Anyway, Child Amnesiac, if the whole sword shield thing bothers you, just make a new youtube account and watch different videos that have nothing to do with it, is that really that difficult?

They have appeared in my recommended section and I have blocked them, rightfully so.
Believe it or not, I'm not signed into YT 24/7. I like to explore videos without being logged in, and that's what causes problems.

Also, those complaing videos game the system.
Using how the YT's algorithm works to get their videos promoted to everyone no matter what.
There is no escape from them.

 

[Nanusmightyena]

Second post on this thread but whatever. Another reason why Pokémon will never end is because no matter how much people complain about the games 80% of those same people will still buy them.

 

[colours]

i dunno. it seems like to me that the fact that the loud minority exists in the first place is really getting you worked up, and i'm not really sure what to say about that. it seems like you're taking this way too much to heart to the point where it's affecting you on a personal level when it shouldn't. pokemon games will always have people who are excessively negative about them, swsh is definitely not some sort of exception to the rule. this has been a thing for years now, with this generation only seeming louder due to Game Freak's bad PR but aside from that, it's not that much different from your usual release cycle.

but none of this is any indicator that it's some sort of doom and gloom for the games or even the franchise. not even close.

 

[Nah]

That video and the other are not Pokemon related in any way shape or form. So, why is there content related to Sw/Sh in the sidebar?

The YT sidebar shows vids based on your history with the site, and doesn't always show things related to whatever you're watching at the moment. For me, the sidebar in the video you posted is mostly SwSh stuff, with some Monster Hunter and Fire Emblem stuff mixed in. It's almost entirely stuff I've either viewed before, or videos from channels I've seen before. It's the same with this other one I've got going right now. It's a Monster Hunter one, but Pokemon and Fire Emblem is there with the Monster Hunter. It does occasionally show stuff that's not any of the usual stuff, but that makes up a minority of things.

The clickbaity toxic shit very rarely appears for me, and I don't really ever click on it. If you clear your browsing history and cache, that should give you a clean slate to work with for when you're not logged in. Avoid clicking on certain vids and vids from certain channels, and you should see a dramatic decrease in those sorts of things showing eventually.

I have to ask though, why are these sorts of videos causing "a decline in [your] mental health"?

 

[Child Amnesiac]

The YT sidebar shows vids based on your history with the site, and doesn't always show things related to whatever you're watching at the moment.
I have to ask though, why are these sorts of videos causing "a decline in [your] mental health"?

I've used incgonito mode (IE. No history or cache to speak of) and still they show up no matter what, I've tested this by watching no Pokemon related content, and yet still these videos pop up in my recommended and sidebar of certain videos.

The mental health thing is just an observation I've made.
It may just be me using them as a scapegoat for my mental health declining, but I've noticed myself becoming more depressed and making more dark jokes after these videos flooded and took over Youtube.

Like I said, there was no where to run for a time. They were everywhere.
Maybe just seeing them everywhere made me think that there was no escape, and it was hopeless.

My subconscious wasn't even safe, I've had dreams relating to this whole debacle.

Remember he who shall not be named (the sonic fanboy), well he's appeared in my dreams at least twice now.

I've also made some of the worst jokes and posted some of the worst things I've ever posted on other sites.

I'm not going to repeat any of them here, but they were pretty heinous.